China has a history of cover ups. This is not the time and place to cover up. Countries put pride before safety, well their leaders do by not seeking outside help, or at least telling the truth. I'm not sure what our government must do ATM but we should be prepared.
Coronaviruses are a broad family of viruses, but only six (the new one would make it seven) are known to infect people.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), which is caused by a coronavirus, killed 774 of the 8,098 people infected in an outbreak that started in China in 2002.
"There is a strong memory of Sars, that's where a lot of fear comes from, but we're a lot more prepared to deal with those types of diseases," says Dr Josie Golding, from the Wellcome Trust.
Is it serious?
Coronaviruses can cause symptoms ranging from a mild cold all the way through to death.
This new virus appears to be somewhere in the middle.
"When we see a new coronavirus, we want to know how severe are the symptoms - this is more than cold-like symptoms and that is a concern but it is not as severe as Sars," says Prof Mark Woolhouse, from the University of Edinburgh.
The World Health Organization (WHO) is considering declaring an international public health emergency over the virus - as it did with swine flu and Ebola.
According to the news I heard on the radio, LHR has set up a check zone for the virus for flights coming from the area where the outbreak was first reported only and not the rest of China. Thy mentioned terminal 4 is where the flights will be checked.
I too feel that China is controlling the narrative and for this reason I feel that all flights from China and other countries close by should all be checked before it spreads.
Syl said
Jan 23 3:08 PM, 2020
I see the UK are pulling out all he stops to stop the virus spreading here.....not.
Anonymous said
Jan 23 3:47 PM, 2020
Syl wrote:
I see the UK are pulling out all he stops to stop the virus spreading here.....not.
Just on the news, plane from Wuhan, 4 being tested for the virus in Scotland.
Syl said
Jan 23 3:59 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
I see the UK are pulling out all he stops to stop the virus spreading here.....not.
Just on the news, plane from Wuhan, 4 being tested for the virus in Scotland.
I just read that. So it begins.
Most airports in the UK have taken no precautions whatsoever.
dr synne said
Jan 23 4:59 PM, 2020
This kind of thing shits the life out of me.
However the media do have a habit of sensationalising things. But with things like this it's best to err on the side of caution, rather a bit of scare mongering than sleepwalking into a disaster.
At the moment thigs are up in the air so we can't make any assumptions.
John Doe said
Jan 23 5:09 PM, 2020
dr synne wrote:
This kind of thing shits the life out of me.
However the media do have a habit of sensationalising things. But with things like this it's best to err on the side of caution, rather a bit of scare mongering than sleepwalking into a disaster.
At the moment thigs are up in the air so we can't make any assumptions.
It does not bother me at all, the modern media always goes way over the top in their coverage because we live in such a safe era due to advances in medical science and vaccination, it does makes me wonder what the hysteria levels would have been like in the past as well.
Now something as lethal as the Spanish Flu where the death toll was 50-100 million around the world was another matter altogether.
-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 23rd of January 2020 05:10:33 PM
Anonymous said
Jan 23 6:06 PM, 2020
John Doe wrote:
dr synne wrote:
This kind of thing shits the life out of me.
However the media do have a habit of sensationalising things. But with things like this it's best to err on the side of caution, rather a bit of scare mongering than sleepwalking into a disaster.
At the moment thigs are up in the air so we can't make any assumptions.
It does not bother me at all, the modern media always goes way over the top in their coverage because we live in such a safe era due to advances in medical science and vaccination, it does makes me wonder what the hysteria levels would have been like in the past as well.
Now something as lethal as the Spanish Flu where the death toll was 50-100 million around the world was another matter altogether.
-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 23rd of January 2020 05:10:33 PM
We now have confirmed cases in three other countries, one of which was for sure Saudi Arabia, and two others, think Hong Kong was the second can.t recall the third.
I have always feared a virus to take many millions out as all governments are useless and if those in Scotland have got the thing, they were here two weeks ago if I heard incorrectly.
It can spread via hand.
Anonymous said
Jan 23 6:34 PM, 2020
John Doe wrote:
dr synne wrote:
This kind of thing shits the life out of me.
However the media do have a habit of sensationalising things. But with things like this it's best to err on the side of caution, rather a bit of scare mongering than sleepwalking into a disaster.
At the moment thigs are up in the air so we can't make any assumptions.
It does not bother me at all, the modern media always goes way over the top in their coverage because we live in such a safe era due to advances in medical science and vaccination, it does makes me wonder what the hysteria levels would have been like in the past as well.
Now something as lethal as the Spanish Flu where the death toll was 50-100 million around the world was another matter altogether.
-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 23rd of January 2020 05:10:33 PM
The 3rd leading cause of death in the US and I expect everywhere is medical error. We are too complacent these days and should spend more time building up our immune systems.
Text said
Jan 24 11:51 AM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
A virus - previously unknown to science - is causing severe lung disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has been detected in two other countries.
A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.
But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak or the first sign of something far more dangerous?
"We arrre doomed !!"
uttered in a Private Frazer accent.
Anonymous said
Jan 24 12:18 PM, 2020
Text wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A virus - previously unknown to science - is causing severe lung disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has been detected in two other countries.
A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.
But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak or the first sign of something far more dangerous?
"We arrre doomed !!"
uttered in a Private Frazer accent.
This virus could easily go rampant very quickly. Our government and their shambolic stance over this very dangerous situation does not surprise me. Often, it is catastrophic mistakes during the initial period of any major disaster like this that allows the virus to kill millions if not more. The time is nigh when we should stop reacting and take positive, proactive action before it kills many more people.
This is an insidious virus that could easily wipe out the majority of humans
R
Anonymous said
Jan 24 5:22 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
Text wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A virus - previously unknown to science - is causing severe lung disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has been detected in two other countries.
A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.
But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak or the first sign of something far more dangerous?
"We arrre doomed !!"
uttered in a Private Frazer accent.
This virus could easily go rampant very quickly. Our government and their shambolic stance over this very dangerous situation does not surprise me. Often, it is catastrophic mistakes during the initial period of any major disaster like this that allows the virus to kill millions if not more. The time is nigh when we should stop reacting and take positive, proactive action before it kills many more people.
This is an insidious virus that could easily wipe out the majority of humans
R
I was talking with our area manager today and he said he was a bit under the weather and feeling flu-ish. I told him to be careful as he covers the LHR airport area and he was dismissive. To be blunt, I fear these types of scenarios more than the atom bomb.
From my favorite news source a recent story about viruses. Guardian.co.uk
R
A dangerous virus, as yet unknown, has the potential to wipe out millions of us. Yet public health bodies are mired in complacency
by Jonathan Quick
Sun 18 Mar 2018 06.04 GMTLast modified on Thu 19 Sep 2019 02.06 BST
Somewhere out there a dangerous virus is boiling up in the bloodstream of a bird, bat, monkey or pig, preparing to jump to a human being. It’s hard to comprehend the scope of such a threat, for it has the potential to wipe out millions of us, including my family and yours, over a matter of weeks or months. The risk makes the threat posed by Islamic State, a ground war, a massive climate event or even the dropping of a nuclear bomb on a major city pale by comparison.
A new epidemic could turn into a pandemic without warning. It could be born in a factory farm in Minnesota, a poultry farm in China or the bat-inhabited elephant caves of Kenya – anywhere infected animals are in contact with humans. It could be a variation of the 1918 Spanish flu, one of hundreds of other known microbial threats or something entirely new, such as the 2003 Sars virus that spread globally from China. Once transmitted to a human, an airborne virus could pass from that one infected individual to 25,000 others within a week, and to more than 700,000 within the first month. Within three months, it could spread to every major urban centre in the world. And by six months, it could infect more than 300 million people and kill more than 30 million.
The obvious question is this: why aren’t we deploying absolutely everything we have to make sure that the next disease outbreak doesn’t turn into a global catastrophe? There are three broad answers
John Doe said
Jan 24 5:49 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
Text wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A virus - previously unknown to science - is causing severe lung disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has been detected in two other countries.
A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.
But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak or the first sign of something far more dangerous?
"We arrre doomed !!"
uttered in a Private Frazer accent.
This virus could easily go rampant very quickly. Our government and their shambolic stance over this very dangerous situation does not surprise me. Often, it is catastrophic mistakes during the initial period of any major disaster like this that allows the virus to kill millions if not more. The time is nigh when we should stop reacting and take positive, proactive action before it kills many more people.
This is an insidious virus that could easily wipe out the majority of humans
R
No it won't.
There have only been 26 deaths so far in a world of almost 8 billion people - it is hardly a pandemic.
Anonymous said
Jan 24 7:07 PM, 2020
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Text wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A virus - previously unknown to science - is causing severe lung disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has been detected in two other countries.
A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.
But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak or the first sign of something far more dangerous?
"We arrre doomed !!"
uttered in a Private Frazer accent.
This virus could easily go rampant very quickly. Our government and their shambolic stance over this very dangerous situation does not surprise me. Often, it is catastrophic mistakes during the initial period of any major disaster like this that allows the virus to kill millions if not more. The time is nigh when we should stop reacting and take positive, proactive action before it kills many more people.
This is an insidious virus that could easily wipe out the majority of humans
R
No it won't.
There have only been 26 deaths so far in a world of almost 8 billion people - it is hardly a pandemic.
These epidemics often start of relatively mild but viruses can mutate very fast and quickly become more deadly. Do your research dinosaur boy!
Syl said
Jan 25 1:41 PM, 2020
If it's as bad as this Norovirus I am presently suffering with I pity anyone who gets it.
John Doe said
Jan 25 2:14 PM, 2020
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Text wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
A virus - previously unknown to science - is causing severe lung disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has been detected in two other countries.
A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.
But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak or the first sign of something far more dangerous?
"We arrre doomed !!"
uttered in a Private Frazer accent.
This virus could easily go rampant very quickly. Our government and their shambolic stance over this very dangerous situation does not surprise me. Often, it is catastrophic mistakes during the initial period of any major disaster like this that allows the virus to kill millions if not more. The time is nigh when we should stop reacting and take positive, proactive action before it kills many more people.
This is an insidious virus that could easily wipe out the majority of humans
R
No it won't.
There have only been 26 deaths so far in a world of almost 8 billion people - it is hardly a pandemic.
These epidemics often start of relatively mild but viruses can mutate very fast and quickly become more deadly. Do your research dinosaur boy!
I don't need to.
I know how serious Pandemics work and this is highly unlikely to be one of them - the way you (and certain sections of the media) are overreacting you would think Captain Trips from The Stand had become a reality.
As for your childish insult it says more about you than it does me.
Syl said
Jan 25 4:11 PM, 2020
'Dinosaur boy'!...now I wonder who could be using that expression?
John Doe said
Jan 25 4:19 PM, 2020
Syl wrote:
'Dinosaur boy'!...now I wonder who could be using that expression?
Yeah not exactly hard to work out is it?
Anonymous said
Jan 25 4:39 PM, 2020
Hello JD, I was not aware your former name started with a K. Hats off to you for standing your ground though I have not always agreed with you.
Back to the topic. You said you are not worried, be thankful about that as the last thing our planet wants is mass deaths. I still fear a massive breakout if we remain complacent. Imagine you are in China, one of the twenty odd cities in lock-down, the pandemic has arrived for them. It is easy to a initiate a quarantine status but much more difficult to unfold EG, the SARS virus, in Canada I think a hospital went into lock-down and no one was allowed to leave then the unlock after two weeks and then the virus reappeared.
So I trust China, the simple answer is no. My knowledge of the worse disasters are the unexpected ones or where people, countries have been complacent. Just imagine a town the size of Coventry in lock-down for several weeks if we are luck. It's not just the financial implications that could cost billions but mass deaths.
I propose that we ban all flights from China at the very least and check everyone that arrived from China during the last three weeks. I also fear the that we will soon be the victims of a virus that is resistant to all known antibiotics.
China has a history of cover ups. This is not the time and place to cover up. Countries put pride before safety, well their leaders do by not seeking outside help, or at least telling the truth. I'm not sure what our government must do ATM but we should be prepared.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51185836
From the link abouce.
A virus - previously unknown to science - is causing severe lung disease in the Chinese city of Wuhan and has been detected in two other countries.
At least six people are known to have died from the virus, which appeared in the city in December.
There are more than two hundred confirmed cases of the virus, but UK experts estimate the figure is closer to 1,700.
A new virus arriving on the scene, leaving patients with pneumonia, is always a worry and health officials around the world are on high alert.
But is this a brief here-today-gone-tomorrow outbreak or the first sign of something far more dangerous?
What is this virus?
Viral samples have been taken from patients and analysed in the laboratory.
And officials in China and the World Health Organization (WHO) have concluded the infection is a coronavirus.
Coronaviruses are a broad family of viruses, but only six (the new one would make it seven) are known to infect people.
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), which is caused by a coronavirus, killed 774 of the 8,098 people infected in an outbreak that started in China in 2002.
"There is a strong memory of Sars, that's where a lot of fear comes from, but we're a lot more prepared to deal with those types of diseases," says Dr Josie Golding, from the Wellcome Trust.
Is it serious?
Coronaviruses can cause symptoms ranging from a mild cold all the way through to death.
This new virus appears to be somewhere in the middle.
"When we see a new coronavirus, we want to know how severe are the symptoms - this is more than cold-like symptoms and that is a concern but it is not as severe as Sars," says Prof Mark Woolhouse, from the University of Edinburgh.
The World Health Organization (WHO) is considering declaring an international public health emergency over the virus - as it did with swine flu and Ebola.
Hits the USA.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/cdc-to-announce-first-us-case-of-china-coronavirus-that-has-killed-6-cnn-reports.html
According to the news I heard on the radio, LHR has set up a check zone for the virus for flights coming from the area where the outbreak was first reported only and not the rest of China. Thy mentioned terminal 4 is where the flights will be checked.
I too feel that China is controlling the narrative and for this reason I feel that all flights from China and other countries close by should all be checked before it spreads.
Just on the news, plane from Wuhan, 4 being tested for the virus in Scotland.
I just read that. So it begins.
Most airports in the UK have taken no precautions whatsoever.
However the media do have a habit of sensationalising things. But with things like this it's best to err on the side of caution, rather a bit of scare mongering than sleepwalking into a disaster.
At the moment thigs are up in the air so we can't make any assumptions.
It does not bother me at all, the modern media always goes way over the top in their coverage because we live in such a safe era due to advances in medical science and vaccination, it does makes me wonder what the hysteria levels would have been like in the past as well.
Now something as lethal as the Spanish Flu where the death toll was 50-100 million around the world was another matter altogether.
-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 23rd of January 2020 05:10:33 PM
We now have confirmed cases in three other countries, one of which was for sure Saudi Arabia, and two others, think Hong Kong was the second can.t recall the third.
I have always feared a virus to take many millions out as all governments are useless and if those in Scotland have got the thing, they were here two weeks ago if I heard incorrectly.
It can spread via hand.
The 3rd leading cause of death in the US and I expect everywhere is medical error. We are too complacent these days and should spend more time building up our immune systems.
"We arrre doomed !!"
uttered in a Private Frazer accent.
This virus could easily go rampant very quickly. Our government and their shambolic stance over this very dangerous situation does not surprise me. Often, it is catastrophic mistakes during the initial period of any major disaster like this that allows the virus to kill millions if not more. The time is nigh when we should stop reacting and take positive, proactive action before it kills many more people.
This is an insidious virus that could easily wipe out the majority of humans
R
I was talking with our area manager today and he said he was a bit under the weather and feeling flu-ish. I told him to be careful as he covers the LHR airport area and he was dismissive. To be blunt, I fear these types of scenarios more than the atom bomb.
From my favorite news source a recent story about viruses. Guardian.co.uk
R
by Jonathan Quick
Sun 18 Mar 2018 06.04 GMTLast modified on Thu 19 Sep 2019 02.06 BST
Comments
415Somewhere out there a dangerous virus is boiling up in the bloodstream of a bird, bat, monkey or pig, preparing to jump to a human being. It’s hard to comprehend the scope of such a threat, for it has the potential to wipe out millions of us, including my family and yours, over a matter of weeks or months. The risk makes the threat posed by Islamic State, a ground war, a massive climate event or even the dropping of a nuclear bomb on a major city pale by comparison.
A new epidemic could turn into a pandemic without warning. It could be born in a factory farm in Minnesota, a poultry farm in China or the bat-inhabited elephant caves of Kenya – anywhere infected animals are in contact with humans. It could be a variation of the 1918 Spanish flu, one of hundreds of other known microbial threats or something entirely new, such as the 2003 Sars virus that spread globally from China. Once transmitted to a human, an airborne virus could pass from that one infected individual to 25,000 others within a week, and to more than 700,000 within the first month. Within three months, it could spread to every major urban centre in the world. And by six months, it could infect more than 300 million people and kill more than 30 million.
The obvious question is this: why aren’t we deploying absolutely everything we have to make sure that the next disease outbreak doesn’t turn into a global catastrophe? There are three broad answers
No it won't.
There have only been 26 deaths so far in a world of almost 8 billion people - it is hardly a pandemic.
These epidemics often start of relatively mild but viruses can mutate very fast and quickly become more deadly. Do your research dinosaur boy!
If it's as bad as this Norovirus I am presently suffering with I pity anyone who gets it.
I don't need to.
I know how serious Pandemics work and this is highly unlikely to be one of them - the way you (and certain sections of the media) are overreacting you would think Captain Trips from The Stand had become a reality.
As for your childish insult it says more about you than it does me.
'Dinosaur boy'!...now I wonder who could be using that expression?
Yeah not exactly hard to work out is it?
Hello JD, I was not aware your former name started with a K. Hats off to you for standing your ground though I have not always agreed with you.
Back to the topic. You said you are not worried, be thankful about that as the last thing our planet wants is mass deaths. I still fear a massive breakout if we remain complacent. Imagine you are in China, one of the twenty odd cities in lock-down, the pandemic has arrived for them. It is easy to a initiate a quarantine status but much more difficult to unfold EG, the SARS virus, in Canada I think a hospital went into lock-down and no one was allowed to leave then the unlock after two weeks and then the virus reappeared.
So I trust China, the simple answer is no. My knowledge of the worse disasters are the unexpected ones or where people, countries have been complacent. Just imagine a town the size of Coventry in lock-down for several weeks if we are luck. It's not just the financial implications that could cost billions but mass deaths.
I propose that we ban all flights from China at the very least and check everyone that arrived from China during the last three weeks. I also fear the that we will soon be the victims of a virus that is resistant to all known antibiotics.
R