The newly released “Facebook Files” revealed a concerted effort by the Biden administration to censor not just false information, but also true information, along with jokes that its functionaries simply found annoying.
The resulting Facebook Files confirmed what many of us have suspected for years. Indeed, the emails proved to be a mirror image of what had occurred at Twitter — a massive effort by the government to pressure the company to censor its critics and other dissenting voices.
Facebook executives used similar language to lament the “overwhelming” effort of the government to censor citizens and its unwillingness to take “no” for an answer.
Now we know that Facebook executives were facing the same insatiable government desire for censorship. In an April 2021 email, Nick Clegg, Facebook’s president for global affairs, wrote to colleagues that Andy Slavitt, a senior adviser to Biden who was steering COVID-19 policy, “was outraged — not too strong a word to describe his reaction — that [Facebook] did not remove this post.”
There was a constant mantra from many, that kept bleating on about private companies were free to moderate as they choose, and that's true.
But it's entirely different if the government is defacto deciding what gets to stay on social media. That's what they do in China.
Anonymous said
Jul 30 12:27 PM, 2023
@ MD… jeez I could write an entire day-long blog on this topic!
We‘re all free to decide which news sources we find credible. Personally, when it comes to the Twitter Files, I looked at these sources…
Professor Jonathan Turley, the FOX News shill, paid to spout utter bollox & disinformation. The same FOX News that has just settled Dominion’s lawsuit to the tune some 780 million, for FOX’s 24/7 blanket howlers about your 2020 election. Imv, Turley is second only to the perv that is Professor Alan Dershowitz, when it comes to being a total douchebag.
Twitter Files - a nothingburger orchestrated by the pasty freak of nature that is Elon Musk. If that isn’t enough to kinda make you think “oh reallllllly??”, add his two sleazy sidekicks into the mix. We got the shrieking bint, Bari Weiss, and another fork-tongued freak, Matt Taibbi (did you see his ‘testimony’ at one of your Oversight clown shows, btw? Turned into a complete clusterfuck! )
Weiss and Taibbi - both wanting their 15 minutes of relevance. Both with their grubby greedy hands out, and all dark money gladly received.
To be clear - real censorship = bad, of course. But disinformation and conspiracy theories that could even risk people’s health and well-being, or incite civil unrest? That‘s kinda like believing ‘shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre’ is covered by your First Amendment.
Anonymous said
Jul 30 12:34 PM, 2023
…ps…sorry, forgot to add - if Turley’s saying it, I have no reason to find his take on the Facebook Files to be any more credible to his take on the Twitter Files.
Digger said
Jul 30 7:15 PM, 2023
Is anyone surprised. I mean....what does this face tell you? Everything about him screams FUCKING WEIRDO ALIEN LIFEFORM IN DISGUISE.
…ps…sorry, forgot to add - if Turley’s saying it, I have no reason to find his take on the Facebook Files to be any more credible to his take on the Twitter Files.
The emails have been posted.
Too bad the folks at Twitter and Facebook didn't post them as soon as they were received. That would have been fun. Instead the buried them like cowards..
Would you believe Greenwald?
Maddog said
Jul 30 7:27 PM, 2023
Digger wrote:
Is anyone surprised. I mean....what does this face tell you? Everything about him screams FUCKING WEIRDO ALIEN LIFEFORM IN DISGUISE.
He's weird, no doubt. He's on the spectrum like a lot off bright folks in the tech industry.
But when he started Facebook, it wasn't run like Chinese social media. He had some moral courage.
That picture is when he was drug before congress. He walked the line after that and was receptive to letting our alphabet agencies dictate what stayed on his site..
Twitter did the same and Dorsey has admitted as much and apologized.
Maddog said
Jul 30 7:37 PM, 2023
Of course now, a federal judge has blocked the White House from contacting social media companies.
Maybe that's what was needed since they are too cowardly to reveal what was happening..
Imagine Nixon's FBI contacting Woodward and Bernstein and asking them to not publish things.
They would have hung up the phone and told the public exactly what the government was doing, because that's the role of media.
Telling us what that government wont..
Digger said
Jul 30 7:39 PM, 2023
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Is anyone surprised. I mean....what does this face tell you? Everything about him screams FUCKING WEIRDO ALIEN LIFEFORM IN DISGUISE.
He's weird, no doubt. He's on the spectrum like a lot off bright folks in the tech industry.
But when he started Facebook, it wasn't run like Chinese social media. He had some moral courage.
That picture is when he was drug before congress. He walked the line after that and was receptive to letting our alphabet agencies dictate what stayed on his site..
Twitter did the same and Dorsey has admitted as much and apologized.
He gives me the heebie jeebies
Maddog said
Jul 30 7:44 PM, 2023
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Is anyone surprised. I mean....what does this face tell you? Everything about him screams FUCKING WEIRDO ALIEN LIFEFORM IN DISGUISE.
He's weird, no doubt. He's on the spectrum like a lot off bright folks in the tech industry.
But when he started Facebook, it wasn't run like Chinese social media. He had some moral courage.
That picture is when he was drug before congress. He walked the line after that and was receptive to letting our alphabet agencies dictate what stayed on his site..
Twitter did the same and Dorsey has admitted as much and apologized.
He gives me the heebie jeebies
He's odd, but odd people can do the right thing..
Digger said
Jul 30 7:44 PM, 2023
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Is anyone surprised. I mean....what does this face tell you? Everything about him screams FUCKING WEIRDO ALIEN LIFEFORM IN DISGUISE.
He's weird, no doubt. He's on the spectrum like a lot off bright folks in the tech industry.
But when he started Facebook, it wasn't run like Chinese social media. He had some moral courage.
That picture is when he was drug before congress. He walked the line after that and was receptive to letting our alphabet agencies dictate what stayed on his site..
Twitter did the same and Dorsey has admitted as much and apologized.
He gives me the heebie jeebies
He's odd, but odd people can do the right thing..
I had the same feeling for decades about Jimmy Savile
Maddog said
Jul 30 7:47 PM, 2023
Vam wrote:
@ MD… jeez I could write an entire day-long blog on this topic!
We‘re all free to decide which news sources we find credible. Personally, when it comes to the Twitter Files, I looked at these sources…
Professor Jonathan Turley, the FOX News shill, paid to spout utter bollox & disinformation. The same FOX News that has just settled Dominion’s lawsuit to the tune some 780 million, for FOX’s 24/7 blanket howlers about your 2020 election. Imv, Turley is second only to the perv that is Professor Alan Dershowitz, when it comes to being a total douchebag.
Twitter Files - a nothingburger orchestrated by the pasty freak of nature that is Elon Musk. If that isn’t enough to kinda make you think “oh reallllllly??”, add his two sleazy sidekicks into the mix. We got the shrieking bint, Bari Weiss, and another fork-tongued freak, Matt Taibbi (did you see his ‘testimony’ at one of your Oversight clown shows, btw? Turned into a complete clusterfuck! )
Weiss and Taibbi - both wanting their 15 minutes of relevance. Both with their grubby greedy hands out, and all dark money gladly received.
To be clear - real censorship = bad, of course. But disinformation and conspiracy theories that could even risk people’s health and well-being, or incite civil unrest? That‘s kinda like believing ‘shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre’ is covered by your First Amendment.
As for Twitter, is Dorsey a reliable source?
Fast forward to the 3 minute mark, unless you just want to listen to Russell..
He's pretty clear about what Twitter did wrong..
Maddog said
Jul 30 8:03 PM, 2023
"Doughty order said the administration "seems to have assumed a role similar to an Orwellian 'Ministry of Truth.'" The order, which was to remain in effect pending further arguments in Doughty's court, was hailed by conservatives as a victory for free speech and a blow to censorship. But critics said the order and accompanying reasons, covering more than 160 pages, were broad, unclear and could chill government efforts to fight misinformation on important topics."
From PBS^ sorta our version of the Beeb..
Doughty is the federal judge that basically told our current administration to back the fuck up. There's nothing stopping them from PUBLICLY denouncing what is sad on social media, but the back door shit and threats need to stop.
Anonymous said
Jul 31 1:23 PM, 2023
Maddog wrote:
"Doughty order said the administration "seems to have assumed a role similar to an Orwellian 'Ministry of Truth.'" The order, which was to remain in effect pending further arguments in Doughty's court, was hailed by conservatives as a victory for free speech and a blow to censorship. But critics said the order and accompanying reasons, covering more than 160 pages, were broad, unclear and could chill government efforts to fight misinformation on important topics."
From PBS^ sorta our version of the Beeb..
Doughty is the federal judge that basically told our current administration to back the fuck up. There's nothing stopping them from PUBLICLY denouncing what is sad on social media, but the back door shit and threats need to stop.
it’s a shame a judge like Doughty wasn’t around when trump’s White House were doing exactly the same crap & then some! That’s even referred to in Turley’s Hill article.
I‘d like to respond more fully to all your posts, but I’m mindful of not giving Syl/Diggs the arse ache of too many posts to ‘approve’ So I’ll try & condense what I’d like to say in this post.
TY for all the links. Sadly, journalists of the calibre of Carl Bernstein, Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson are a dying breed (I purposely left out Woodward for…reasons) Nowadays I view most journalists as glorified stenographers, not above making shit up on a slow news day just for the clicks.
And don’t even get me started on how AI & ChattGPT are gonna figure in election cycles worldwide! As I said though, ultimately, we’re all free to figure out what news sources/podcasts/opinion pieces etc, we instinctively find to be credible. Personally …
Jack Dorsey: has gone way too tree-huggy New Age for my taste. Plus he’s been actively endorsing batshit nepo baby RFK Jr’s bid for the presidency Hard pass!
Glenn Greenwald: among his many other effed-up ’critical thinking’ skills, he seems very pro-Putin and has stated several times that Russia’s unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine was justified. Pass!
Russell Brand: Back in the day, he was always worth listening to. These days though, not so much imo - especially after his manically hyper appearance on Bill Maher’s show a couple of months ago. The guy was so hyped up and gibbering, I was expecting men in white coats to appear. Sorry, another hard pass!
Maddog said
Jul 31 6:39 PM, 2023
Internal email to Zuckerberg about how our Politburo was displeased with Americans sharing funny memes..
-- Edited by Digger on Tuesday 1st of August 2023 03:28:03 PM
"Doughty order said the administration "seems to have assumed a role similar to an Orwellian 'Ministry of Truth.'" The order, which was to remain in effect pending further arguments in Doughty's court, was hailed by conservatives as a victory for free speech and a blow to censorship. But critics said the order and accompanying reasons, covering more than 160 pages, were broad, unclear and could chill government efforts to fight misinformation on important topics."
From PBS^ sorta our version of the Beeb..
Doughty is the federal judge that basically told our current administration to back the fuck up. There's nothing stopping them from PUBLICLY denouncing what is sad on social media, but the back door shit and threats need to stop.
it’s a shame a judge like Doughty wasn’t around when trump’s White House were doing exactly the same crap & then some! That’s even referred to in Turley’s Hill article.
I‘d like to respond more fully to all your posts, but I’m mindful of not giving Syl/Diggs the arse ache of too many posts to ‘approve’ So I’ll try & condense what I’d like to say in this post.
TY for all the links. Sadly, journalists of the calibre of Carl Bernstein, Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson are a dying breed (I purposely left out Woodward for…reasons) Nowadays I view most journalists as glorified stenographers, not above making shit up on a slow news day just for the clicks.
And don’t even get me started on how AI & ChattGPT are gonna figure in election cycles worldwide! As I said though, ultimately, we’re all free to figure out what news sources/podcasts/opinion pieces etc, we instinctively find to be credible. Personally …
Jack Dorsey: has gone way too tree-huggy New Age for my taste. Plus he’s been actively endorsing batshit nepo baby RFK Jr’s bid for the presidency Hard pass!
Glenn Greenwald: among his many other effed-up ’critical thinking’ skills, he seems very pro-Putin and has stated several times that Russia’s unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine was justified. Pass!
Russell Brand: Back in the day, he was always worth listening to. These days though, not so much imo - especially after his manically hyper appearance on Bill Maher’s show a couple of months ago. The guy was so hyped up and gibbering, I was expecting men in white coats to appear. Sorry, another hard pass!
So basically anyone that challenges the party line isn't to be believed?
As for Dorsey, why wouldn't you think he knew what mistakes he made while running his company?
You keep mentioning the people providing evidence of wrongdoing as problematic. I find that problematic..
1984 wasn't a how to manuel to be followed, but a warning.
Maddog said
Jul 31 8:04 PM, 2023
Vam wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"Doughty order said the administration "seems to have assumed a role similar to an Orwellian 'Ministry of Truth.'" The order, which was to remain in effect pending further arguments in Doughty's court, was hailed by conservatives as a victory for free speech and a blow to censorship. But critics said the order and accompanying reasons, covering more than 160 pages, were broad, unclear and could chill government efforts to fight misinformation on important topics."
From PBS^ sorta our version of the Beeb..
Doughty is the federal judge that basically told our current administration to back the fuck up. There's nothing stopping them from PUBLICLY denouncing what is sad on social media, but the back door shit and threats need to stop.
it’s a shame a judge like Doughty wasn’t around when trump’s White House were doing exactly the same crap & then some! That’s even referred to in Turley’s Hill article.
I‘d like to respond more fully to all your posts, but I’m mindful of not giving Syl/Diggs the arse ache of too many posts to ‘approve’ So I’ll try & condense what I’d like to say in this post.
TY for all the links. Sadly, journalists of the calibre of Carl Bernstein, Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson are a dying breed (I purposely left out Woodward for…reasons) Nowadays I view most journalists as glorified stenographers, not above making shit up on a slow news day just for the clicks.
And don’t even get me started on how AI & ChattGPT are gonna figure in election cycles worldwide! As I said though, ultimately, we’re all free to figure out what news sources/podcasts/opinion pieces etc, we instinctively find to be credible. Personally …
Jack Dorsey: has gone way too tree-huggy New Age for my taste. Plus he’s been actively endorsing batshit nepo baby RFK Jr’s bid for the presidency Hard pass!
Glenn Greenwald: among his many other effed-up ’critical thinking’ skills, he seems very pro-Putin and has stated several times that Russia’s unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine was justified. Pass!
Russell Brand: Back in the day, he was always worth listening to. These days though, not so much imo - especially after his manically hyper appearance on Bill Maher’s show a couple of months ago. The guy was so hyped up and gibbering, I was expecting men in white coats to appear. Sorry, another hard pass!
And if you're saying Trump did the same crap, are you saying Trump and Biden are both wrong, or both right?
Anonymous said
Aug 1 11:03 AM, 2023
(I’ll try to keep it brief. Also, it’s hard to address each point Maddog is making, cos the page has s t r e t c h e d ! )
I can only repeat, like most folks, accepting ‘evidence/proof’ from sources I don’t find credible is ”problematic” for me personally. i often see something on SM, and just instinctively wonder whether the image/words have been doctored or messed around with to distort the reality of what I’m looking at.
Again, censorship - irrespective of who’s responsible - is wrong, of course. To that I’d only add the caveat that persistent radicalism and hate speech, and deliberate 24/7 disinformation that could pose a risk to people’s health and well-being, should always be very closely monitored.
Btw, if the Papaya Pol Pot does somehow manage to get his ass back behind the Resolute Desk, I believe the US will really learn what true, indiscriminate censorship is all about. I heard his flapping mouth say that he intends to purge your institutions, like the DOJ/FBI/CIA/DHS/IRS/MSM/SM, of years-long career professionals and replace it all with loyal trumpy ‘yes’ men across the board. Good times!
Bottom line, MD - we can only try to look at/listen to/absorb everything, before we decide what’s credible.
Digger said
Aug 1 3:28 PM, 2023
Vam wrote:
(I’ll try to keep it brief. Also, it’s hard to address each point Maddog is making, cos the page has s t r e t c h e d ! )
I can only repeat, like most folks, accepting ‘evidence/proof’ from sources I don’t find credible is ”problematic” for me personally. i often see something on SM, and just instinctively wonder whether the image/words have been doctored or messed around with to distort the reality of what I’m looking at.
Again, censorship - irrespective of who’s responsible - is wrong, of course. To that I’d only add the caveat that persistent radicalism and hate speech, and deliberate 24/7 disinformation that could pose a risk to people’s health and well-being, should always be very closely monitored.
Btw, if the Papaya Pol Pot does somehow manage to get his ass back behind the Resolute Desk, I believe the US will really learn what true, indiscriminate censorship is all about. I heard his flapping mouth say that he intends to purge your institutions, like the DOJ/FBI/CIA/DHS/IRS/MSM/SM, of years-long career professionals and replace it all with loyal trumpy ‘yes’ men across the board. Good times!
Bottom line, MD - we can only try to look at/listen to/absorb everything, before we decide what’s credible.
Because he keeps putting mahoosive images up, which I have to keep making smaller
Anonymous said
Aug 1 4:02 PM, 2023
Digger wrote:
Vam wrote:
(I’ll try to keep it brief. Also, it’s hard to address each point Maddog is making, cos the page has s t r e t c h e d ! )
I can only repeat, like most folks, accepting ‘evidence/proof’ from sources I don’t find credible is ”problematic” for me personally. i often see something on SM, and just instinctively wonder whether the image/words have been doctored or messed around with to distort the reality of what I’m looking at.
Again, censorship - irrespective of who’s responsible - is wrong, of course. To that I’d only add the caveat that persistent radicalism and hate speech, and deliberate 24/7 disinformation that could pose a risk to people’s health and well-being, should always be very closely monitored.
Btw, if the Papaya Pol Pot does somehow manage to get his ass back behind the Resolute Desk, I believe the US will really learn what true, indiscriminate censorship is all about. I heard his flapping mouth say that he intends to purge your institutions, like the DOJ/FBI/CIA/DHS/IRS/MSM/SM, of years-long career professionals and replace it all with loyal trumpy ‘yes’ men across the board. Good times!
Bottom line, MD - we can only try to look at/listen to/absorb everything, before we decide what’s credible.
Because he keeps putting mahoosive images up, which I have to keep making smaller
Well, it’s not my place to that out …
Thanks for the fix!
Maddog said
Aug 1 4:35 PM, 2023
Vam wrote:
(I’ll try to keep it brief. Also, it’s hard to address each point Maddog is making, cos the page has s t r e t c h e d ! )
I can only repeat, like most folks, accepting ‘evidence/proof’ from sources I don’t find credible is ”problematic” for me personally. i often see something on SM, and just instinctively wonder whether the image/words have been doctored or messed around with to distort the reality of what I’m looking at.
Again, censorship - irrespective of who’s responsible - is wrong, of course. To that I’d only add the caveat that persistent radicalism and hate speech, and deliberate 24/7 disinformation that could pose a risk to people’s health and well-being, should always be very closely monitored.
Btw, if the Papaya Pol Pot does somehow manage to get his ass back behind the Resolute Desk, I believe the US will really learn what true, indiscriminate censorship is all about. I heard his flapping mouth say that he intends to purge your institutions, like the DOJ/FBI/CIA/DHS/IRS/MSM/SM, of years-long career professionals and replace it all with loyal trumpy ‘yes’ men across the board. Good times!
Bottom line, MD - we can only try to look at/listen to/absorb everything, before we decide what’s credible.
Are you saying the emails presented in congress aren't real?
You spend entirely too much time worried about who is presenting those emails instead of what they represent..
You say censorship is bad, then twist yourself in knots defending much of it, for the "good of the people" or some other Ministry of Truth bullshit reason.
It's no doubt that if Trump gets in power we will have all sorts of issues. But that's not the discussion here and using the threat of him getting in power to justify Bidens abuse of power is dangerous as hell.
It's not a binary world where one has to choose only one side to find fault with. You do that and find fault with people that have stopped doing that. Brand, Greenwald and the like are no longer good liberals because they point out the flaws in other liberals..
That's exactly what they should be doing if they want to make liberals better.
The newly released “Facebook Files” revealed a concerted effort by the Biden administration to censor not just false information, but also true information, along with jokes that its functionaries simply found annoying.
The resulting Facebook Files confirmed what many of us have suspected for years. Indeed, the emails proved to be a mirror image of what had occurred at Twitter — a massive effort by the government to pressure the company to censor its critics and other dissenting voices.
Facebook executives used similar language to lament the “overwhelming” effort of the government to censor citizens and its unwillingness to take “no” for an answer.
Now we know that Facebook executives were facing the same insatiable government desire for censorship. In an April 2021 email, Nick Clegg, Facebook’s president for global affairs, wrote to colleagues that Andy Slavitt, a senior adviser to Biden who was steering COVID-19 policy, “was outraged — not too strong a word to describe his reaction — that [Facebook] did not remove this post.”
‘Facebook Files’ show Biden’s administration even targeted jokes for censorship | The Hill
There was a constant mantra from many, that kept bleating on about private companies were free to moderate as they choose, and that's true.
But it's entirely different if the government is defacto deciding what gets to stay on social media. That's what they do in China.
@ MD… jeez I could write an entire day-long blog on this topic!
We‘re all free to decide which news sources we find credible. Personally, when it comes to the Twitter Files, I looked at these sources…
Professor Jonathan Turley, the FOX News shill, paid to spout utter bollox & disinformation. The same FOX News that has just settled Dominion’s lawsuit to the tune some 780 million, for FOX’s 24/7 blanket howlers about your 2020 election. Imv, Turley is second only to the perv that is Professor Alan Dershowitz, when it comes to being a total douchebag.
Twitter Files - a nothingburger orchestrated by the pasty freak of nature that is Elon Musk. If that isn’t enough to kinda make you think “oh reallllllly??”, add his two sleazy sidekicks into the mix. We got the shrieking bint, Bari Weiss, and another fork-tongued freak, Matt Taibbi (did you see his ‘testimony’ at one of your Oversight clown shows, btw? Turned into a complete clusterfuck!
)
Weiss and Taibbi - both wanting their 15 minutes of relevance. Both with their grubby greedy hands out, and all dark money gladly received.
To be clear - real censorship = bad, of course. But disinformation and conspiracy theories that could even risk people’s health and well-being, or incite civil unrest? That‘s kinda like believing ‘shouting FIRE in a crowded theatre’ is covered by your First Amendment.
…ps…sorry, forgot to add - if Turley’s saying it, I have no reason to find his take on the Facebook Files to be any more credible to his take on the Twitter Files.
Is anyone surprised. I mean....what does this face tell you? Everything about him screams FUCKING WEIRDO ALIEN LIFEFORM IN DISGUISE.
The emails have been posted.
Too bad the folks at Twitter and Facebook didn't post them as soon as they were received. That would have been fun. Instead the buried them like cowards..
Would you believe Greenwald?
He's weird, no doubt. He's on the spectrum like a lot off bright folks in the tech industry.
But when he started Facebook, it wasn't run like Chinese social media. He had some moral courage.
That picture is when he was drug before congress. He walked the line after that and was receptive to letting our alphabet agencies dictate what stayed on his site..
Twitter did the same and Dorsey has admitted as much and apologized.
Maybe that's what was needed since they are too cowardly to reveal what was happening..
Imagine Nixon's FBI contacting Woodward and Bernstein and asking them to not publish things.
They would have hung up the phone and told the public exactly what the government was doing, because that's the role of media.
Telling us what that government wont..
He gives me the heebie jeebies
He's odd, but odd people can do the right thing..
I had the same feeling for decades about Jimmy Savile
As for Twitter, is Dorsey a reliable source?
Fast forward to the 3 minute mark, unless you just want to listen to Russell..
He's pretty clear about what Twitter did wrong..
From PBS^ sorta our version of the Beeb..
Doughty is the federal judge that basically told our current administration to back the fuck up. There's nothing stopping them from PUBLICLY denouncing what is sad on social media, but the back door shit and threats need to stop.
it’s a shame a judge like Doughty wasn’t around when trump’s White House were doing exactly the same crap & then some! That’s even referred to in Turley’s Hill article.
I‘d like to respond more fully to all your posts, but I’m mindful of not giving Syl/Diggs the arse ache of too many posts to ‘approve’
So I’ll try & condense what I’d like to say in this post.
TY for all the links. Sadly, journalists of the calibre of Carl Bernstein, Dan Rather and Sam Donaldson are a dying breed (I purposely left out Woodward for…reasons
) Nowadays I view most journalists as glorified stenographers, not above making shit up on a slow news day just for the clicks.
And don’t even get me started on how AI & ChattGPT are gonna figure in election cycles worldwide! As I said though, ultimately, we’re all free to figure out what news sources/podcasts/opinion pieces etc, we instinctively find to be credible. Personally …
Jack Dorsey: has gone way too tree-huggy New Age for my taste. Plus he’s been actively endorsing batshit nepo baby RFK Jr’s bid for the presidency
Glenn Greenwald: among his many other effed-up ’critical thinking’ skills, he seems very pro-Putin and has stated several times that Russia’s unprovoked genocidal invasion of Ukraine was justified. Pass!
Russell Brand: Back in the day, he was always worth listening to. These days though, not so much imo - especially after his manically hyper appearance on Bill Maher’s show a couple of months ago. The guy was so hyped up and gibbering, I was expecting men in white coats to appear. Sorry, another hard pass!
Internal email to Zuckerberg about how our Politburo was displeased with Americans sharing funny memes..
-- Edited by Digger on Tuesday 1st of August 2023 03:28:03 PM
So basically anyone that challenges the party line isn't to be believed?
As for Dorsey, why wouldn't you think he knew what mistakes he made while running his company?
You keep mentioning the people providing evidence of wrongdoing as problematic. I find that problematic..
1984 wasn't a how to manuel to be followed, but a warning.
And if you're saying Trump did the same crap, are you saying Trump and Biden are both wrong, or both right?
(I’ll try to keep it brief. Also, it’s hard to address each point Maddog is making, cos the page has s t r e t c h e d !
)
I can only repeat, like most folks, accepting ‘evidence/proof’ from sources I don’t find credible is ”problematic” for me personally. i often see something on SM, and just instinctively wonder whether the image/words have been doctored or messed around with to distort the reality of what I’m looking at.
Again, censorship - irrespective of who’s responsible - is wrong, of course. To that I’d only add the caveat that persistent radicalism and hate speech, and deliberate 24/7 disinformation that could pose a risk to people’s health and well-being, should always be very closely monitored.
Btw, if the Papaya Pol Pot does somehow manage to get his ass back behind the Resolute Desk, I believe the US will really learn what true, indiscriminate censorship is all about. I heard his flapping mouth say that he intends to purge your institutions, like the DOJ/FBI/CIA/DHS/IRS/MSM/SM, of years-long career professionals and replace it all with loyal trumpy ‘yes’ men across the board. Good times!
Bottom line, MD - we can only try to look at/listen to/absorb everything, before we decide what’s credible.
Because he keeps putting mahoosive images up, which I have to keep making smaller
Well, it’s not my place to that out …
Thanks for the fix!
Are you saying the emails presented in congress aren't real?
You spend entirely too much time worried about who is presenting those emails instead of what they represent..
You say censorship is bad, then twist yourself in knots defending much of it, for the "good of the people" or some other Ministry of Truth bullshit reason.
It's no doubt that if Trump gets in power we will have all sorts of issues. But that's not the discussion here and using the threat of him getting in power to justify Bidens abuse of power is dangerous as hell.
It's not a binary world where one has to choose only one side to find fault with. You do that and find fault with people that have stopped doing that. Brand, Greenwald and the like are no longer good liberals because they point out the flaws in other liberals..
That's exactly what they should be doing if they want to make liberals better.