Why didn't the ship have tug boat control in such an area?
Biden has pledged to rebuild the bridge.... presumably on the insurance money.
-- Edited by jackthelad on Tuesday 26th of March 2024 08:25:21 PM
Anonymous said
Mar 26 9:50 PM, 2024
I wish they would just report what happened rather than providing a literary imaginative piece (breathless sky news reporter). Container ship hits bridge pillar causing the bridge to collapse with 6 people reported missing ... Then they could have done some journalism to find out why the ship hit the bridge pillar, whether the ship was overloaded, whether the pilot had experience navigating these waters, the operating history of the vessel.
jackthelad said
Mar 27 12:26 AM, 2024
Anonymous wrote:
I wish they would just report what happened rather than providing a literary imaginative piece (breathless sky news reporter). Container ship hits bridge pillar causing the bridge to collapse with 6 people reported missing ... Then they could have done some journalism to find out why the ship hit the bridge pillar, whether the ship was overloaded, whether the pilot had experience navigating these waters, the operating history of the vessel.
Not very good apparently
Syl said
Mar 27 12:07 PM, 2024
The six construction workers who fell into the water are now presumed dead.
How terrifying that must have been.
jackthelad said
Mar 27 1:38 PM, 2024
Apparently the boat lost power just before the crash and you can't simply slam the breaks on with a large ship.
Magica said
Mar 27 4:23 PM, 2024
I can't believe it could bring a bridge down, but exploded apparently.
Anonymous said
Mar 27 5:11 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
The six construction workers who fell into the water are now presumed dead. How terrifying that must have been.
That’s why I wish the cable news shows would stop the endless replay of the bridge actually collapsing. Seeing the moment of impact is horrific enough, so imagine how distraught the loved ones of those six men must feel every time they see the collapse on an endless loop.
Maddog said
Mar 27 7:41 PM, 2024
jackthelad wrote:
What a disaster!
Why didn't the ship have tug boat control in such an area?
Biden has pledged to rebuild the bridge.... presumably on the insurance money.
-- Edited by jackthelad on Tuesday 26th of March 2024 08:25:21 PM
It had a pilot boat. That's the boat that put out the mayday and got the bridge closed just in time, except for those construction workers..
They also dropped one anchor to try to swing the ship around.
It's just one of those events that require almost perfect timing to be this catastrophic.
Had the power gone our sooner, they could have stopped it. Gone out later and it would have just cruised on its course..
Digger said
Mar 27 9:11 PM, 2024
jackthelad wrote:
Apparently the boat lost power just before the crash and you can't simply slam the breaks on with a large ship.
I believe those things take a few miles to stop and the same to turn.
Maddog said
Mar 28 12:31 AM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
jackthelad wrote:
What a disaster!
Why didn't the ship have tug boat control in such an area?
Biden has pledged to rebuild the bridge.... presumably on the insurance money.
-- Edited by jackthelad on Tuesday 26th of March 2024 08:25:21 PM
It had a pilot boat. That's the boat that put out the mayday and got the bridge closed just in time, except for those construction workers..
They also dropped one anchor to try to swing the ship around.
It's just one of those events that require almost perfect timing to be this catastrophic.
Had the power gone our sooner, they could have stopped it. Gone out later and it would have just cruised on its course..
I guess the pilot boat didn't put out the mayday, the pilot captain did, as he was driving the cargo ship through the channel/river.
I thought pilot ships led the way (maybe they used to), but now the pilot captain comes aboard and takes command of the ship until its in open water. Then he hands the keys back to the regular captain and leaves on the pilot boat.
Anonymous said
Mar 28 2:39 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
I guess the pilot boat didn't put out the mayday, the pilot captain did, as he was driving the cargo ship through the channel/river.
I thought pilot ships led the way (maybe they used to), but now the pilot captain comes aboard and takes command of the ship until its in open water. Then he hands the keys back to the regular captain and leaves on the pilot boat.
I read that a port specialist crew takes control of the ship entering and leaving the port with the exchange occurring at an appropriate point just outside of port. So one of my original suggestion of an inexperienced pilot doesn't enter the equation. Seems to be a straight ship mechanical / electrical breakdown. To guard against that sort of thing one needs to look at the ship's history and maintenance log. Apparently there had been some prior issues reported.
Health and Safety legislation I believe requires a near miss register to be kept as you tend to get a lot more near misses than actual accidents. By monitoring the near miss register one can implement moderated safety procedures as well as maintenance and repair.
jackthelad said
Mar 28 6:43 PM, 2024
The port can't now function so is going to add to the worlds growing supply line problems.
Supply of what I haven't checked out yet.
Maddog said
Mar 28 11:43 PM, 2024
jackthelad wrote:
The port can't now function so is going to add to the worlds growing supply line problems. Supply of what I haven't checked out yet.
It exports coal.
Imports a lot of vehicles..
That's all I remember..
jackthelad said
Mar 29 12:23 AM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
jackthelad wrote:
The port can't now function so is going to add to the worlds growing supply line problems. Supply of what I haven't checked out yet.
It exports coal.
Imports a lot of vehicles..
That's all I remember..
Sounds pretty big then meaning lots of ships now idle.
Maddog said
Mar 29 3:55 PM, 2024
jackthelad wrote:
Maddog wrote:
jackthelad wrote:
The port can't now function so is going to add to the worlds growing supply line problems. Supply of what I haven't checked out yet.
It exports coal.
Imports a lot of vehicles..
That's all I remember..
Sounds pretty big then meaning lots of ships now idle.
It will be a mess for awhile. Ships, trains and trucks and whatever they are hauling will have to be rerouted up and down the eastern seaboard.
What a disaster!
Why didn't the ship have tug boat control in such an area?
Biden has pledged to rebuild the bridge.... presumably on the insurance money.
-- Edited by jackthelad on Tuesday 26th of March 2024 08:25:21 PM
I wish they would just report what happened rather than providing a literary imaginative piece (breathless sky news reporter). Container ship hits bridge pillar causing the bridge to collapse with 6 people reported missing ... Then they could have done some journalism to find out why the ship hit the bridge pillar, whether the ship was overloaded, whether the pilot had experience navigating these waters, the operating history of the vessel.
Not very good apparently
How terrifying that must have been.
That’s why I wish the cable news shows would stop the endless replay of the bridge actually collapsing. Seeing the moment of impact is horrific enough, so imagine how distraught the loved ones of those six men must feel every time they see the collapse on an endless loop.
It had a pilot boat. That's the boat that put out the mayday and got the bridge closed just in time, except for those construction workers..
They also dropped one anchor to try to swing the ship around.
It's just one of those events that require almost perfect timing to be this catastrophic.
Had the power gone our sooner, they could have stopped it. Gone out later and it would have just cruised on its course..
I believe those things take a few miles to stop and the same to turn.
I guess the pilot boat didn't put out the mayday, the pilot captain did, as he was driving the cargo ship through the channel/river.
I thought pilot ships led the way (maybe they used to), but now the pilot captain comes aboard and takes command of the ship until its in open water. Then he hands the keys back to the regular captain and leaves on the pilot boat.
I read that a port specialist crew takes control of the ship entering and leaving the port with the exchange occurring at an appropriate point just outside of port. So one of my original suggestion of an inexperienced pilot doesn't enter the equation. Seems to be a straight ship mechanical / electrical breakdown. To guard against that sort of thing one needs to look at the ship's history and maintenance log. Apparently there had been some prior issues reported.
Health and Safety legislation I believe requires a near miss register to be kept as you tend to get a lot more near misses than actual accidents. By monitoring the near miss register one can implement moderated safety procedures as well as maintenance and repair.
Supply of what I haven't checked out yet.
It exports coal.
Imports a lot of vehicles..
That's all I remember..
Sounds pretty big then meaning lots of ships now idle.
It will be a mess for awhile. Ships, trains and trucks and whatever they are hauling will have to be rerouted up and down the eastern seaboard.