No one seems to have been charged let alone locked up.
Anyone know anything different?
jackb said
Aug 2 8:31 PM, 2024
A broken nose is GBH a very serious charge.
Anonymous said
Aug 2 8:45 PM, 2024
jackb wrote:
A broken nose is GBH a very serious charge.
It's the less serious ABH
Anonymous said
Aug 2 9:16 PM, 2024
There’s already a thread on this, you silly old fucker!
jackb said
Aug 3 12:00 AM, 2024
Anonymous wrote:
jackb wrote:
A broken nose is GBH a very serious charge.
It's the less serious ABH
No it's not.
Maddog said
Aug 3 4:14 AM, 2024
I did much less to a cop and was charged with a felony.
A good lawyer and lots of money got it dropped to a misdemeanor.
But I spent an extra 24 hours in jail because they "forgot" to take me to the magistrate.
They flat out told me they were going to skip taking me as a little reminder not to ever do that again.
Anonymous said
Aug 3 7:27 AM, 2024
jackb wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
jackb wrote:
A broken nose is GBH a very serious charge.
It's the less serious ABH
No it's not.
>sigh< Yes it is. GBH is the next most serious assault below murder or attempted murder. It covers more serious injuries like a skull fracture. A nose fracture, even if it's the bone rather than cartilage, is treated as ABH, as is a simple fracture of a finger. If you still disagree I can give you a link to the govt guidelines for assaults.
Syl said
Aug 3 12:16 PM, 2024
"Can punching someone be considered GBH?
Yes, punching someone could be considered GBH, depending on the type of injuries a victim sustains. A GBH injury example that can be caused by punching someone would include facial disfigurement.
What counts as facial disfigurement? Facial disfigurement refers to any distortion, malformation or abnormality of facial features due to an injury. Examples of facial disfigurement that can be caused by GBH include:
Breaking someone’s nose Knocking someone’s teeth out Breaking someone’s jaw Damaging someone’s eye/eyesight"
Anonymous said
Aug 3 12:44 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
"Can punching someone be considered GBH?
Yes, punching someone could be considered GBH, depending on the type of injuries a victim sustains. A GBH injury example that can be caused by punching someone would include facial disfigurement.
What counts as facial disfigurement? Facial disfigurement refers to any distortion, malformation or abnormality of facial features due to an injury. Examples of facial disfigurement that can be caused by GBH include:
Breaking someone’s nose Knocking someone’s teeth out Breaking someone’s jaw Damaging someone’s eye/eyesight"
Not sure where you got that from but see p38 of the linked Home Office crime recording rules, they're the final word on how offences should be treated
I got my info from a solicitors website dealing with serious assaults. Most solicitors would class the injury the PO received as GBH.
It's not always as cut and dried as we are making out though....from the CPS website...
1. Start by determining the level of injury
In the first instance it should be possible to determine whether the injury is of GBH, ABH or battery level.
This must be considered with reference to the victim, i.e. the person’s age, health or any other relevant factors. In Bollom [2003] EWCA Crim 2846 the court said ‘To use this case as an example, these injuries on a 6-foot adult in the fullness of health would be less serious than on, for instance, an elderly or unwell person, or someone who was physically or psychiatrically vulnerable or, as here, on a very young child. In deciding whether injuries are grievous, an assessment must be made of, amongst other things, the effect of the harm on the individual. We have no doubt that in determining the gravity of these injuries, it was necessary to consider them in their real context.’
A broken bone especially on an emergency services person is GBH.
I was done for police assault twice many years ago but it was just assault and the Irish friend next to me the second time sent a clear message to the magistrates who really did the assaulting.
He was bruised and battered and shirt torn to shreds which according to police statements there was no one else involved so as the first time... it was a fifty quid fine.
No one seems to have been charged let alone locked up.
Anyone know anything different?
It's the less serious ABH
There’s already a thread on this, you silly old fucker!
No it's not.
A good lawyer and lots of money got it dropped to a misdemeanor.
But I spent an extra 24 hours in jail because they "forgot" to take me to the magistrate.
They flat out told me they were going to skip taking me as a little reminder not to ever do that again.
>sigh< Yes it is. GBH is the next most serious assault below murder or attempted murder. It covers more serious injuries like a skull fracture. A nose fracture, even if it's the bone rather than cartilage, is treated as ABH, as is a simple fracture of a finger. If you still disagree I can give you a link to the govt guidelines for assaults.
"Can punching someone be considered GBH?
Yes, punching someone could be considered GBH, depending on the type of injuries a victim sustains. A GBH injury example that can be caused by punching someone would include facial disfigurement.
What counts as facial disfigurement?
Facial disfigurement refers to any distortion, malformation or abnormality of facial features due to an injury. Examples of facial disfigurement that can be caused by GBH include:
Breaking someone’s nose
Knocking someone’s teeth out
Breaking someone’s jaw
Damaging someone’s eye/eyesight"
Not sure where you got that from but see p38 of the linked Home Office crime recording rules, they're the final word on how offences should be treated
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65f42fca9d99de001d03df82/crime-recording-rules-for-frontline-officers-and-staff-march2024.pdf
I got my info from a solicitors website dealing with serious assaults.
Most solicitors would class the injury the PO received as GBH.
It's not always as cut and dried as we are making out though....from the CPS website...
1. Start by determining the level of injury
In the first instance it should be possible to determine whether the injury is of GBH, ABH or battery level.
This must be considered with reference to the victim, i.e. the person’s age, health or any other relevant factors. In Bollom [2003] EWCA Crim 2846 the court said ‘To use this case as an example, these injuries on a 6-foot adult in the fullness of health would be less serious than on, for instance, an elderly or unwell person, or someone who was physically or psychiatrically vulnerable or, as here, on a very young child. In deciding whether injuries are grievous, an assessment must be made of, amongst other things, the effect of the harm on the individual. We have no doubt that in determining the gravity of these injuries, it was necessary to consider them in their real context.’
Offences against the Person, incorporating the Charging Standard | The Crown Prosecution Service (cps.gov.uk)
I was done for police assault twice many years ago but it was just assault and the Irish friend next to me the second time sent a clear message to the magistrates who really did the assaulting.
He was bruised and battered and shirt torn to shreds which according to police statements there was no one else involved so as the first time... it was a fifty quid fine.