Women and girls historically do not fare well with Kennedy men – be they wives, girlfriends, mistresses, sisters or daughters.
Patriarch Joe Kennedy, a former US ambassador to Britain, was not only politically and financially ruthless, he was also sexually deviant and violent.
Well before he was president, John F. Kennedy would warn any overnight guests of his sisters — many of them teenagers — to lock their bedroom doors at the famed family compound in Hyannis, Massachusetts. ‘The ambassador,’ JFK would say, ‘has a tendency to wander at night.’
A young JFK, meanwhile, was already evincing what would become manifest among generations of Kennedy men: a sinister incestuousness that would see them all attempt to bed each other’s conquests.
When JFK was running for president, Janet Des Rosiers joined his campaign and one day he slipped her a note. ‘Don’t you think,’ he wrote, ‘it’s about time you found me attractive?’
In 1953, he met the young Jacqueline Bouvier — a highly educated debutante from New York City, with the looks, charm and sophistication to match.
He was a 34-year-old US senator and she a 24-year-old ‘inquiring photographer’ for the Washington Times Herald. She was so smitten that she dumped her fiancé, stockbroker John Husted.
Jackie never uttered a word. She simply removed her engagement ring, slipped it into Husted’s suit pocket and walked away.
Jackie wanted Jack Kennedy – and the big life that was sure to follow – no matter the cost.
Then there was Marilyn Monroe. She was the biggest movie star on the planet, a sex symbol desired by every red-blooded American male, and not only was she having an affair with President Kennedy, she was also having an affair with his brother, US Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy.
Very few people knew, but among those who did was Marilyn’s therapist, Dr Ralph Greenson. He was greatly alarmed by what the Kennedy brothers were doing to his patient, and wrote as much to a colleague.
‘Very destructive people,’ Greenson said of the two brothers.
And they were indeed doing grave damage. With JFK having cut off communication with Marilyn after she sang ‘Happy Birthday’ to him at Madison Square Garden in May 1962 — practically announcing to all the world that she and the president of the United States were having an affair — Bobby had been left to crisis-manage Marilyn, who was now threatening to hold a press conference and tell the truth.
On August 4 that same year, Bobby paid a visit to Marilyn’s home in LA. He did not know – nor did she – that the FBI and CIA had wiretapped Marilyn’s house. On these tapes, recovered decades later, Bobby can be heard yelling at Marilyn viciously.
‘Where is it?’ he demanded. ‘Where the f*** is it?’ Next came the sound of something, or someone, hitting the wall.
Marilyn was found dead the next morning, in her own bed, at the age of 36. Her ex-husband, the legendary baseball player Joe DiMaggio, was sure that the Kennedy brothers were, in some way, to blame.
‘I always knew who killed Marilyn,’ he later said. ‘But I didn’t want to start a revolution in this country.’
Jack and Bobby never looked back. Why would they? Women had always been disposable. Their father had made that clear, not just with his philandering and raping but with the disappearance of their sister, Rosemary.
She was 23 years old when she vanished, her name never mentioned at home again.
It was only after Joe died in 1969, at 81, that her siblings learned the truth: Joe had secretly, forcibly lobotomised Rosemary, leaving her with the mental and physical capabilities of a two-year-old.
Joe, a Nazi sympathiser who had taken Rosemary to London as his ‘companion’ while serving as ambassador, had likely been sexually abusing his daughter, whose increasingly volatile outbursts threatened to expose him. And so he had her silenced and shipped across America to be cared for by nurses and nuns.
Rosemary suffered a fate worse than death.
The litany abounds: Mary Jo Kopechne, the 28-year-old aide who JFK’s younger brother, senator Ted Kennedy, left to die in 1969 after his car veered off a bridge and plunged into a pond on Chappaquiddick Island.
Kopechne was alive for hours, struggling to breathe through a tiny air pocket, while Ted made his escape, passing houses with lights on, pay phones and the fire department, before reaching his inn and going to sleep.
Pamela Kelley, a teenage girl who, one decade later, was left paralysed for life by Joe Kennedy II (Bobby’s son), who recklessly rolled his Jeep in Nantucket. The media called this Joe’s ‘mishap’ and he walked with a $100 fine.
Digger said
Sep 30 10:03 AM, 2024
Did any woman ever say "No!" I wonder?
Syl said
Sep 30 12:06 PM, 2024
Power and money corrupt, this horrendous family are the proof of that. Maybe with a father like Joe Kennedy, it was inevitable the males in his family would also be corrupt.
Any woman, no matter how beautiful or famous, didn't really stand a chance. They may have been universally admired, but behind all the fame and glamour, I think they allowed themselves to be treated like dirt, Marilyn was a case in point.
Magica said
Sep 30 2:26 PM, 2024
Kennedy's were corrupt and rotten to the core. They're dad Joe was a bootlegged for the mafia, a rapist, even his own daughter. He had her put in mental hospital, lobotomised so she wouldn't remember or speak about what he did to her. The poor girl.
JFK and his brothers were serial adulterers, shared Marilyn Monroe who was going to the press about it. She died after a visit from Bobby! What a nasty lot!
-- Edited by Magica on Monday 30th of September 2024 02:33:15 PM
Vita said
Sep 30 3:44 PM, 2024
They didn't respect women at all.
Old Joe was a nasty piece of work (who hated Britain) I might add and passed his contempt for women down to his sons.
Look at JFK when Jackie gave birth to their first child, a wee girl named Arabella who was stillborn, he didn't return home from his holiday.
it was only when a friend pointed out it would harm his bid for the presidency he returned home.
Jackie had quite a few miscarriages and they reckon it was caused by Jack giving her STD's due to his constant womanizing.
I bought that 'Ask not' book recently, it was very good.
jackb said
Sep 30 4:09 PM, 2024
Nothing more than spoilt brats and posh gangsters.
I read somewhere that men who treat women this badly and keep committing rape are incapable of proper sex as in love making... to much like hard work so unload and get out.
Syl said
Sep 30 5:44 PM, 2024
Vita wrote:
They didn't respect women at all.
Old Joe was a nasty piece of work (who hated Britain) I might add and passed his contempt for women down to his sons.
Look at JFK when Jackie gave birth to their first child, a wee girl named Arabella who was stillborn, he didn't return home from his holiday.
it was only when a friend pointed out it would harm his bid for the presidency he returned home.
Jackie had quite a few miscarriages and they reckon it was caused by Jack giving her STD's due to his constant womanizing.
I bought that 'Ask not' book recently, it was very good.
If that's true about Jackie, it's heartbreaking.
She fascinated me when I was young, I thought she had real style and class, she certainly didn't deserve to be landed with an amoral pig like JFK.
It does beg the question why did she stay. Maybe when you are tied to such a powerful family, you don't have much choice.
Vita said
Oct 1 7:10 AM, 2024
Syl wrote:
Vita wrote:
They didn't respect women at all.
Old Joe was a nasty piece of work (who hated Britain) I might add and passed his contempt for women down to his sons.
Look at JFK when Jackie gave birth to their first child, a wee girl named Arabella who was stillborn, he didn't return home from his holiday.
it was only when a friend pointed out it would harm his bid for the presidency he returned home.
Jackie had quite a few miscarriages and they reckon it was caused by Jack giving her STD's due to his constant womanizing.
I bought that 'Ask not' book recently, it was very good.
If that's true about Jackie, it's heartbreaking.
She fascinated me when I was young, I thought she had real style and class, she certainly didn't deserve to be landed with an amoral pig like JFK.
It does beg the question why did she stay. Maybe when you are tied to such a powerful family, you don't have much choice.
Maybe she stayed with him for financial security Syl.
Her own father frittered away his fortune and her step father had five biological children.
I've read lots of books about the Kennedy's now and Jackie seems to have been a nice lady, always well mannered and kind to everyone.
Syl said
Oct 1 12:13 PM, 2024
Vita wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vita wrote:
They didn't respect women at all.
Old Joe was a nasty piece of work (who hated Britain) I might add and passed his contempt for women down to his sons.
Look at JFK when Jackie gave birth to their first child, a wee girl named Arabella who was stillborn, he didn't return home from his holiday.
it was only when a friend pointed out it would harm his bid for the presidency he returned home.
Jackie had quite a few miscarriages and they reckon it was caused by Jack giving her STD's due to his constant womanizing.
I bought that 'Ask not' book recently, it was very good.
If that's true about Jackie, it's heartbreaking.
She fascinated me when I was young, I thought she had real style and class, she certainly didn't deserve to be landed with an amoral pig like JFK.
It does beg the question why did she stay. Maybe when you are tied to such a powerful family, you don't have much choice.
Maybe she stayed with him for financial security Syl.
Her own father frittered away his fortune and her step father had five biological children.
I've read lots of books about the Kennedy's now and Jackie seems to have been a nice lady, always well mannered and kind to everyone.
She did seem to be a very gracious lady.
When she married Aristotle Onassis, one of the richest men in the world, I remember she got a lot of flak, maybe she married for the money (twice over) or maybe she loved both the men.
One of the things that made her liked and admired, she didn't complain or explain, she didn't need public approval, and she kept the heartache to herself.
Vita said
Oct 1 4:36 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
Vita wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vita wrote:
They didn't respect women at all.
Old Joe was a nasty piece of work (who hated Britain) I might add and passed his contempt for women down to his sons.
Look at JFK when Jackie gave birth to their first child, a wee girl named Arabella who was stillborn, he didn't return home from his holiday.
it was only when a friend pointed out it would harm his bid for the presidency he returned home.
Jackie had quite a few miscarriages and they reckon it was caused by Jack giving her STD's due to his constant womanizing.
I bought that 'Ask not' book recently, it was very good.
If that's true about Jackie, it's heartbreaking.
She fascinated me when I was young, I thought she had real style and class, she certainly didn't deserve to be landed with an amoral pig like JFK.
It does beg the question why did she stay. Maybe when you are tied to such a powerful family, you don't have much choice.
Maybe she stayed with him for financial security Syl.
Her own father frittered away his fortune and her step father had five biological children.
I've read lots of books about the Kennedy's now and Jackie seems to have been a nice lady, always well mannered and kind to everyone.
She did seem to be a very gracious lady.
When she married Aristotle Onassis, one of the richest men in the world, I remember she got a lot of flak, maybe she married for the money (twice over) or maybe she loved both the men.
One of the things that made her liked and admired, she didn't complain or explain, she didn't need public approval, and she kept the heartache to herself.
I think it was the security Aristotle Onassis offered was the big attraction, she married him just a few months after Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.
I imagine the money was also an attraction, he was no beauty that's for sure.
In the books I've read it mentions some of the Kennedy's never acknowledged the maids, cooks etc but Jackie always said hello and stopped for a chat.
Syl said
Oct 2 12:19 PM, 2024
If you want to know the real character of a person in the public eye, ask the people who deal with them on a daily basis, the ones some see as 'underlings'.
No point asking their friends and family.
Magica said
Oct 2 2:47 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
If you want to know the real character of a person in the public eye, ask the people who deal with them on a daily basis, the ones some see as 'underlings'. No point asking their friends and family.
Exactly. Too many times friends/family cover up. This is how lots of paedos in showbiz get away with it until they die.
Syl said
Oct 3 12:31 PM, 2024
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you want to know the real character of a person in the public eye, ask the people who deal with them on a daily basis, the ones some see as 'underlings'. No point asking their friends and family.
Exactly. Too many times friends/family cover up. This is how lots of paedos in showbiz get away with it until they die.
No doubt Magica.
I also imagine many paedophiles hide their perversions from friends and family. There are exceptions, but I can't see that many wives knowingly putting up with being married to a man who sexually abuses children.
Magica said
Oct 3 4:31 PM, 2024
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you want to know the real character of a person in the public eye, ask the people who deal with them on a daily basis, the ones some see as 'underlings'. No point asking their friends and family.
Exactly. Too many times friends/family cover up. This is how lots of paedos in showbiz get away with it until they die.
No doubt Magica.
I also imagine many paedophiles hide their perversions from friends and family. There are exceptions, but I can't see that many wives knowingly putting up with being married to a man who sexually abuses children.
Some wives are as bad nowadays.
It's a sick world out there Syl.
Vita said
Oct 5 6:06 AM, 2024
Joan Kennedy was another beautiful woman who had her life ruined by the Kennedy's.
Ted's constant womanizing, shady behaviour that caused a young woman's death.
Joan actually tried to postpone the wedding because she thought things were moving too fast but Old Joe wouldn't let her.
Maddog said
Oct 5 1:51 PM, 2024
Seems like RFK Jr, who is an odd but likable fellow, can't keep it in his pants around other women any more than his ancestors.
Magica said
Oct 5 8:34 PM, 2024
Maddog wrote:
Seems like RFK Jr, who is an odd but likable fellow, can't keep it in his pants around other women any more than his ancestors.
Women and girls historically do not fare well with Kennedy men – be they wives, girlfriends, mistresses, sisters or daughters.
Patriarch Joe Kennedy, a former US ambassador to Britain, was not only politically and financially ruthless, he was also sexually deviant and violent.
Well before he was president, John F. Kennedy would warn any overnight guests of his sisters — many of them teenagers — to lock their bedroom doors at the famed family compound in Hyannis, Massachusetts. ‘The ambassador,’ JFK would say, ‘has a tendency to wander at night.’
A young JFK, meanwhile, was already evincing what would become manifest among generations of Kennedy men: a sinister incestuousness that would see them all attempt to bed each other’s conquests.
When JFK was running for president, Janet Des Rosiers joined his campaign and one day he slipped her a note. ‘Don’t you think,’ he wrote, ‘it’s about time you found me attractive?’
In 1953, he met the young Jacqueline Bouvier — a highly educated debutante from New York City, with the looks, charm and sophistication to match.
He was a 34-year-old US senator and she a 24-year-old ‘inquiring photographer’ for the Washington Times Herald. She was so smitten that she dumped her fiancé, stockbroker John Husted.
Jackie never uttered a word. She simply removed her engagement ring, slipped it into Husted’s suit pocket and walked away.
Jackie wanted Jack Kennedy – and the big life that was sure to follow – no matter the cost.
Then there was Marilyn Monroe. She was the biggest movie star on the planet, a sex symbol desired by every red-blooded American male, and not only was she having an affair with President Kennedy, she was also having an affair with his brother, US Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy.
Very few people knew, but among those who did was Marilyn’s therapist, Dr Ralph Greenson. He was greatly alarmed by what the Kennedy brothers were doing to his patient, and wrote as much to a colleague.
‘Very destructive people,’ Greenson said of the two brothers.
And they were indeed doing grave damage. With JFK having cut off communication with Marilyn after she sang ‘Happy Birthday’ to him at Madison Square Garden in May 1962 — practically announcing to all the world that she and the president of the United States were having an affair — Bobby had been left to crisis-manage Marilyn, who was now threatening to hold a press conference and tell the truth.
On August 4 that same year, Bobby paid a visit to Marilyn’s home in LA. He did not know – nor did she – that the FBI and CIA had wiretapped Marilyn’s house. On these tapes, recovered decades later, Bobby can be heard yelling at Marilyn viciously.
‘Where is it?’ he demanded. ‘Where the f*** is it?’ Next came the sound of something, or someone, hitting the wall.
Marilyn was found dead the next morning, in her own bed, at the age of 36. Her ex-husband, the legendary baseball player Joe DiMaggio, was sure that the Kennedy brothers were, in some way, to blame.
‘I always knew who killed Marilyn,’ he later said. ‘But I didn’t want to start a revolution in this country.’
Jack and Bobby never looked back. Why would they? Women had always been disposable. Their father had made that clear, not just with his philandering and raping but with the disappearance of their sister, Rosemary.
She was 23 years old when she vanished, her name never mentioned at home again.
It was only after Joe died in 1969, at 81, that her siblings learned the truth: Joe had secretly, forcibly lobotomised Rosemary, leaving her with the mental and physical capabilities of a two-year-old.
Joe, a Nazi sympathiser who had taken Rosemary to London as his ‘companion’ while serving as ambassador, had likely been sexually abusing his daughter, whose increasingly volatile outbursts threatened to expose him. And so he had her silenced and shipped across America to be cared for by nurses and nuns.
Rosemary suffered a fate worse than death.
The litany abounds: Mary Jo Kopechne, the 28-year-old aide who JFK’s younger brother, senator Ted Kennedy, left to die in 1969 after his car veered off a bridge and plunged into a pond on Chappaquiddick Island.
Kopechne was alive for hours, struggling to breathe through a tiny air pocket, while Ted made his escape, passing houses with lights on, pay phones and the fire department, before reaching his inn and going to sleep.
Pamela Kelley, a teenage girl who, one decade later, was left paralysed for life by Joe Kennedy II (Bobby’s son), who recklessly rolled his Jeep in Nantucket. The media called this Joe’s ‘mishap’ and he walked with a $100 fine.
Any woman, no matter how beautiful or famous, didn't really stand a chance. They may have been universally admired, but behind all the fame and glamour, I think they allowed themselves to be treated like dirt, Marilyn was a case in point.
Kennedy's were corrupt and rotten to the core. They're dad Joe was a bootlegged for the mafia, a rapist, even his own daughter. He had her put in mental hospital, lobotomised so she wouldn't remember or speak about what he did to her. The poor girl.
JFK and his brothers were serial adulterers, shared Marilyn Monroe who was going to the press about it. She died after a visit from Bobby! What a nasty lot!
-- Edited by Magica on Monday 30th of September 2024 02:33:15 PM
They didn't respect women at all.
Old Joe was a nasty piece of work (who hated Britain) I might add and passed his contempt for women down to his sons.
Look at JFK when Jackie gave birth to their first child, a wee girl named Arabella who was stillborn, he didn't return home from his holiday.
it was only when a friend pointed out it would harm his bid for the presidency he returned home.
Jackie had quite a few miscarriages and they reckon it was caused by Jack giving her STD's due to his constant womanizing.
I bought that 'Ask not' book recently, it was very good.
I read somewhere that men who treat women this badly and keep committing rape are incapable of proper sex as in love making... to much like hard work so unload and get out.
If that's true about Jackie, it's heartbreaking.
She fascinated me when I was young, I thought she had real style and class, she certainly didn't deserve to be landed with an amoral pig like JFK.
It does beg the question why did she stay. Maybe when you are tied to such a powerful family, you don't have much choice.
Maybe she stayed with him for financial security Syl.
Her own father frittered away his fortune and her step father had five biological children.
I've read lots of books about the Kennedy's now and Jackie seems to have been a nice lady, always well mannered and kind to everyone.
She did seem to be a very gracious lady.
When she married Aristotle Onassis, one of the richest men in the world, I remember she got a lot of flak, maybe she married for the money (twice over) or maybe she loved both the men.
One of the things that made her liked and admired, she didn't complain or explain, she didn't need public approval, and she kept the heartache to herself.
I think it was the security Aristotle Onassis offered was the big attraction, she married him just a few months after Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.
I imagine the money was also an attraction, he was no beauty that's for sure.
In the books I've read it mentions some of the Kennedy's never acknowledged the maids, cooks etc but Jackie always said hello and stopped for a chat.
No point asking their friends and family.
Exactly. Too many times friends/family cover up. This is how lots of paedos in showbiz get away with it until they die.
No doubt Magica.
I also imagine many paedophiles hide their perversions from friends and family. There are exceptions, but I can't see that many wives knowingly putting up with being married to a man who sexually abuses children.
Some wives are as bad nowadays.
It's a sick world out there Syl.
Joan Kennedy was another beautiful woman who had her life ruined by the Kennedy's.
Ted's constant womanizing, shady behaviour that caused a young woman's death.
Joan actually tried to postpone the wedding because she thought things were moving too fast but Old Joe wouldn't let her.
All the Kennedy's are the same. Not nice men!