A major international financial body has been accused of rigging data in order to makeBrexitseem like a failure.
Klaus Schwab, 87, the founder of the World Economic Forum (WEF), is alleged to have asked staff to lower the UK's standing in a table ranking countries' economic productivity, the Financial Times reported.
Published annually, the WEF's 2017/2018 Global Competitiveness Report should have shown the UK jumping from seventh to forth due to a change in how the data was presented, according to a leak published by Swiss newpaper SonntagsZeitung.
But instead the final table showed Britain falling one position to eight place.
'Brexit... will by definition weaken the UK's markets component,' the report said.
It is alleged the reason for the supposed revised ranking was a direct intervention from Mr Schwab.
The Swiss newspaper reported that he wrote to staff to say that the UK 'must not see any improvement' as such results would be 'exploited by the Brexit camp' to claim the UK's departure from the EU was a success.
The World Economic Forum is an international advocacy non-governmental organization and think tank, based in Geneva, Switzerland, which hosts the annual 'Davos' summit which attracts high-profile figures from the world of politics, business and showbusiness each year.
It was founded in January 1971 by Mr Schwab, initially as the European Management Forum, before being rebranded as the WEF in 1987.
Mr Schwab is also accused of submitting personal expenses to the tune of £835,000 that was not sufficiently linked to his duties at the WEF, where he stood down as chairman in April this year.
Additionally there are claims that he made inappropriate remarks to younger members of staff.
The spate of allegations against him stem from an internal Forum probe launched following complaints made by a whistleblower.
The investigation was conducted by Homburger, a law firm in Zurich.
News of the UK's alleged changed ranking was met with fury by some of the key figures behind the Brexit campaign.
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage told The Telegraph: 'Every conspiracy theory about Klaus Schwab now turns out to be true. He is a dangerous globalist manipulator.'
Shadow foreign secretary Priti Patel added: 'For such a senior figure in geopolitical affairs to have conspired and manipulated information against Brexit and the democratic outcome of a political process is a stain on the reputation of the WEF and those who are part of that forum, and it is thoroughly unacceptable.'
Fluffy said
Jul 23 10:40 PM, 2025
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
Digger said
Jul 24 12:12 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
Many things have caused our debt as a nation. Brexit hardly touched that. You can take it right back to WW2 where our debts to the US and Canada were only paid off in 2006.
The 2008 financial crisis in the UK was primarily caused by the bursting of a global housing bubble, fuelled by risky mortgage lending practices and a lack of regulation in the financial sector. This led to a credit crunch, bank failures, and a sharp economic downturn.
We're currently in a mess because of our inept governments
Maddog said
Jul 24 12:46 AM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
What do you mean by poorer?
Magica said
Jul 24 10:02 AM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
Many things have caused our debt as a nation. Brexit hardly touched that. You can take it right back to WW2 where our debts to the US and Canada were only paid off in 2006.
The 2008 financial crisis in the UK was primarily caused by the bursting of a global housing bubble, fuelled by risky mortgage lending practices and a lack of regulation in the financial sector. This led to a credit crunch, bank failures, and a sharp economic downturn.
We're currently in a mess because of our inept governments
Bang on Digs! Not going to get any better with Stammer at the helm!
Fluffy said
Jul 24 11:33 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
What do you mean by poorer?
This is from.a BBC source from this year as you like stats !
Economists and analysts generally assess the impact of leaving the EU single market and customs union on 1 Jan 2021 on the UK's goods trade as having been negative.
This is despite the fact that the UK negotiated a free trade deal with the EU and avoided tariffs - or taxes - being imposed on the import and export of goods.
The negative impact comes from so-called "non-tariff barriers" - time consuming and sometimes complicated new paperwork that businesses have to fill out when importing and exporting to the EU.
Immigration was a key theme in the 2016 referendum campaign, centred on freedom of movement within the EU, under which UK and EU citizens could freely move to visit, study, work and live.
But there have been large increases in net migration from the rest of the world since 2020
The working assumption of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), external, the government's independent official forecaster, is still that Brexit in the long-term will reduce exports and imports of goods and services by 15% relative to otherwise. It has held this view since 2016, including under the previous Government.
And the OBR's other working assumption is that the fall in trade relative to otherwise will reduce the long-term size of the UK economy by around 4% relative to otherwise, equivalent to roughly £100bn in today's money.
The OBR says it could revise both these assumptions based on new evidence and studies. The estimated negative economic impact could come down if the trade impact judged to be less severe. Yet there is no evidence, so far, to suggest that it will turn into a positive impact.
After Brexit, the UK has been able to strike its own trade deals with other countries.
There have been new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand and the government has been pursuing new agreements with the US and India.
But their impact on the economy is judged by the government's own official impact assessments to be small relative to the negative impact on UK- EU trade.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 24th of July 2025 11:54:36 AM
Fluffy said
Jul 24 11:47 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
Many things have caused our debt as a nation. Brexit hardly touched that. You can take it right back to WW2 where our debts to the US and Canada were only paid off in 2006.
The 2008 financial crisis in the UK was primarily caused by the bursting of a global housing bubble, fuelled by risky mortgage lending practices and a lack of regulation in the financial sector. This led to a credit crunch, bank failures, and a sharp economic downturn.
We're currently in a mess because of our inept governments
Bang on Digs! Not going to get any better with Stammer at the helm!
I do think Brexit affected the British economy quite badly Mags but it may not have been the concept of being a sovereign nation itself but the execution of the deal as Digger suggested previously.
The fact is Johnson really let down the UK by getting us a terrible deal.and I know you like Farage but he did mislead the voters by promising to give millions to the NHS if a leave vote occurred which simply never materialised.
I think you are right about Starmer. When he was questioned about his choices he and the Chancellor planned to make to welfare for the disabled he came across as very petulant, squirming in his chair.
He has done a deal with India today and evidently he is capable of dealing with important figures on the world stage, I couldn't see Liz Truss being adept at that! But he has a long way to go to make up.for some of his abysmal proposals and general.stand offish indifferent manner and as you say it might be too late. He is disliked by the public so much they might not want to.give him.another chance.
Syl said
Jul 24 12:01 PM, 2025
I seriously doubt the majority of the British public who have been disgusted with his present performance will give him another chance.
It might be a simplistic way of looking at it, but when they were elected, and one of his first policies was to withdraw pensioners fuel allowance, I honestly think he sealed his fate then and there.
This simply is not the Labour that people expected...taking off the poorest and most vulnerable. Big mistake in judgment.
I can't see his reputation growing when Trump comes over for his State visit in September, either.
My toes are already curling at the expected grovelling, sycophantic way he will be acting.
Fluffy said
Jul 24 12:24 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
I seriously doubt the majority of the British public who have been disgusted with his present performance will give him another chance. It might be a simplistic way of looking at it, but when they were elected, and one of his first policies was to withdraw pensioners fuel allowance, I honestly think he sealed his fate then and there. This simply is not the Labour that people expected...taking off the poorest and most vulnerable. Big mistake in judgment.
I can't see his reputation growing when Trump comes over for his State visit in September, either. My toes are already curling at the expected grovelling, sycophantic way he will be acting.
Agree completely especially with the BIB. It's such a shame as I wanted to like Starmer but he isn't acting like a Labour PM and the cruel policies he approved are not just against Labour's core voters beliefs but most people's beliefs.
As for Trump due to Starmer's cringe worthy grovelling he has avoided higher tariffs for the UK. As unseemly as it is to watch I think it is necessary. If you don't grovel and make Trump feel like the most intelligent important President in American history he may decide to do all sorts.
The UK is saddled with a sycophant, but the US has to depend on a sociopath. I think we are in a better position
Digger said
Jul 24 4:30 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
What do you mean by poorer?
This is from.a BBC source from this year as you like stats !
Economists and analysts generally assess the impact of leaving the EU single market and customs union on 1 Jan 2021 on the UK's goods trade as having been negative.
This is despite the fact that the UK negotiated a free trade deal with the EU and avoided tariffs - or taxes - being imposed on the import and export of goods.
The negative impact comes from so-called "non-tariff barriers" - time consuming and sometimes complicated new paperwork that businesses have to fill out when importing and exporting to the EU.
Immigration was a key theme in the 2016 referendum campaign, centred on freedom of movement within the EU, under which UK and EU citizens could freely move to visit, study, work and live.
But there have been large increases in net migration from the rest of the world since 2020
The working assumption of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), external, the government's independent official forecaster, is still that Brexit in the long-term will reduce exports and imports of goods and services by 15% relative to otherwise. It has held this view since 2016, including under the previous Government.
And the OBR's other working assumption is that the fall in trade relative to otherwise will reduce the long-term size of the UK economy by around 4% relative to otherwise, equivalent to roughly £100bn in today's money.
The OBR says it could revise both these assumptions based on new evidence and studies. The estimated negative economic impact could come down if the trade impact judged to be less severe. Yet there is no evidence, so far, to suggest that it will turn into a positive impact.
After Brexit, the UK has been able to strike its own trade deals with other countries.
There have been new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand and the government has been pursuing new agreements with the US and India.
But their impact on the economy is judged by the government's own official impact assessments to be small relative to the negative impact on UK- EU trade.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 24th of July 2025 11:54:36 AM
In light of the BBC's exposure as a hypocritical, woke, paedo supporting, leftie and manipulative source I wouldn't take anything they report as gospel.
Maddog said
Jul 24 5:33 PM, 2025
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
What do you mean by poorer?
This is from.a BBC source from this year as you like stats !
Economists and analysts generally assess the impact of leaving the EU single market and customs union on 1 Jan 2021 on the UK's goods trade as having been negative.
This is despite the fact that the UK negotiated a free trade deal with the EU and avoided tariffs - or taxes - being imposed on the import and export of goods.
The negative impact comes from so-called "non-tariff barriers" - time consuming and sometimes complicated new paperwork that businesses have to fill out when importing and exporting to the EU.
Immigration was a key theme in the 2016 referendum campaign, centred on freedom of movement within the EU, under which UK and EU citizens could freely move to visit, study, work and live.
But there have been large increases in net migration from the rest of the world since 2020
The working assumption of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), external, the government's independent official forecaster, is still that Brexit in the long-term will reduce exports and imports of goods and services by 15% relative to otherwise. It has held this view since 2016, including under the previous Government.
And the OBR's other working assumption is that the fall in trade relative to otherwise will reduce the long-term size of the UK economy by around 4% relative to otherwise, equivalent to roughly £100bn in today's money.
The OBR says it could revise both these assumptions based on new evidence and studies. The estimated negative economic impact could come down if the trade impact judged to be less severe. Yet there is no evidence, so far, to suggest that it will turn into a positive impact.
After Brexit, the UK has been able to strike its own trade deals with other countries.
There have been new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand and the government has been pursuing new agreements with the US and India.
But their impact on the economy is judged by the government's own official impact assessments to be small relative to the negative impact on UK- EU trade.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 24th of July 2025 11:54:36 AM
Your trade may have declined but that doesn't mean you it your country are much poorer than other countries, just poorer than you might have been without Brexit. Although I'm not 100% sure if that..
Fluffy said
Jul 24 9:55 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies ). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
What do you mean by poorer?
This is from.a BBC source from this year as you like stats !
Economists and analysts generally assess the impact of leaving the EU single market and customs union on 1 Jan 2021 on the UK's goods trade as having been negative.
This is despite the fact that the UK negotiated a free trade deal with the EU and avoided tariffs - or taxes - being imposed on the import and export of goods.
The negative impact comes from so-called "non-tariff barriers" - time consuming and sometimes complicated new paperwork that businesses have to fill out when importing and exporting to the EU.
Immigration was a key theme in the 2016 referendum campaign, centred on freedom of movement within the EU, under which UK and EU citizens could freely move to visit, study, work and live.
But there have been large increases in net migration from the rest of the world since 2020
The working assumption of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), external, the government's independent official forecaster, is still that Brexit in the long-term will reduce exports and imports of goods and services by 15% relative to otherwise. It has held this view since 2016, including under the previous Government.
And the OBR's other working assumption is that the fall in trade relative to otherwise will reduce the long-term size of the UK economy by around 4% relative to otherwise, equivalent to roughly £100bn in today's money.
The OBR says it could revise both these assumptions based on new evidence and studies. The estimated negative economic impact could come down if the trade impact judged to be less severe. Yet there is no evidence, so far, to suggest that it will turn into a positive impact.
After Brexit, the UK has been able to strike its own trade deals with other countries.
There have been new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand and the government has been pursuing new agreements with the US and India.
But their impact on the economy is judged by the government's own official impact assessments to be small relative to the negative impact on UK- EU trade.
-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 24th of July 2025 11:54:36 AM
In light of the BBC's exposure as a hypocritical, woke, paedo supporting, leftie and manipulative source I wouldn't take anything they report as gospel.
I blame my mother. I was raised watching the BBC.
Syl said
Jul 26 12:35 PM, 2025
Oh, I think the BBC can be relied on to report many things correctly, just don't expect them to out their own child molesters, rapists or crooks.
Digger said
Jul 26 5:03 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Oh, I think the BBC can be relied on to report many things correctly, just don't expect them to out their own child molesters, rapists or crooks.
I think they are incredibly biased. They are bringing out yet another English historical series with yet another black person playing an historical white person. It's fucking tedious and racist. Can you imagine the furore if the opposite was applied? Yet it's OK to insult our culture.
Syl said
Jul 26 5:23 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:
Oh, I think the BBC can be relied on to report many things correctly, just don't expect them to out their own child molesters, rapists or crooks.
I think they are incredibly biased. They are bringing out yet another English historical series with yet another black person playing an historical white person. It's fucking tedious and racist. Can you imagine the furore if the opposite was applied? Yet it's OK to insult our culture.
They are certainly biased when it comes to race and sex.
I listen to local BBC radio, when interviewing people in the street, they very seldom pick a white Brit to give an opinion.
Magica said
Jul 26 9:07 PM, 2025
Sick of the having a white historic person played by a black person.
Will they have a white Marin Luther King? Betcha no! Very biased.
Syl said
Jul 27 11:03 AM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Sick of the having a white historic person played by a black person.
Will they have a white Marin Luther King? Betcha no! Very biased.
Though...both Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins have blacked up to play Othello, and in some little known TV film, actor Ralph Fiennes has even played Micheal Jackson.
Magica said
Jul 27 11:29 AM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Sick of the having a white historic person played by a black person.
Will they have a white Marin Luther King? Betcha no! Very biased.
Though...both Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins have blacked up to play Othello, and in some little known TV film, actor Ralph Fiennes has even played Micheal Jackson.
That was before they had Asian actors. Fiennes playing MJ is ridiculous.
-- Edited by Magica on Sunday 27th of July 2025 11:33:33 AM
Syl said
Jul 27 11:29 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Sick of the having a white historic person played by a black person.
Will they have a white Marin Luther King? Betcha no! Very biased.
Though...both Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins have blacked up to play Othello, and in some little known TV film, actor Ralph Fiennes has even played Micheal Jackson.
That was before they had Asian actors. Fiennes playing MJ is ridiculous.
-- Edited by Magica on Sunday 27th of July 2025 11:33:33 AM
It was ridiculous, God knows why they did it...in the same film they cast Stockard Channing ( Rizzo in Grease) as Liz Taylor.
Mags, there have always been black and asian actors, they just didn't get the starring roles back then, save a couple of exceptions.
Magica said
Jul 27 11:58 PM, 2025
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Sick of the having a white historic person played by a black person.
Will they have a white Marin Luther King? Betcha no! Very biased.
Though...both Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins have blacked up to play Othello, and in some little known TV film, actor Ralph Fiennes has even played Micheal Jackson.
That was before they had Asian actors. Fiennes playing MJ is ridiculous.
-- Edited by Magica on Sunday 27th of July 2025 11:33:33 AM
It was ridiculous, God knows why they did it...in the same film they cast Stockard Channing ( Rizzo in Grease) as Liz Taylor.
Mags, there have always been black and asian actors, they just didn't get the starring roles back then, save a couple of exceptions.
A major international financial body has been accused of rigging data in order to make Brexit seem like a failure.
Klaus Schwab, 87, the founder of the World Economic Forum (WEF), is alleged to have asked staff to lower the UK's standing in a table ranking countries' economic productivity, the Financial Times reported.
Published annually, the WEF's 2017/2018 Global Competitiveness Report should have shown the UK jumping from seventh to forth due to a change in how the data was presented, according to a leak published by Swiss newpaper SonntagsZeitung.
But instead the final table showed Britain falling one position to eight place.
'Brexit... will by definition weaken the UK's markets component,' the report said.
It is alleged the reason for the supposed revised ranking was a direct intervention from Mr Schwab.
The Swiss newspaper reported that he wrote to staff to say that the UK 'must not see any improvement' as such results would be 'exploited by the Brexit camp' to claim the UK's departure from the EU was a success.
The World Economic Forum is an international advocacy non-governmental organization and think tank, based in Geneva, Switzerland, which hosts the annual 'Davos' summit which attracts high-profile figures from the world of politics, business and showbusiness each year.
It was founded in January 1971 by Mr Schwab, initially as the European Management Forum, before being rebranded as the WEF in 1987.
Mr Schwab is also accused of submitting personal expenses to the tune of £835,000 that was not sufficiently linked to his duties at the WEF, where he stood down as chairman in April this year.
Additionally there are claims that he made inappropriate remarks to younger members of staff.
The spate of allegations against him stem from an internal Forum probe launched following complaints made by a whistleblower.
The investigation was conducted by Homburger, a law firm in Zurich.
News of the UK's alleged changed ranking was met with fury by some of the key figures behind the Brexit campaign.
Reform UK leader Nigel Farage told The Telegraph: 'Every conspiracy theory about Klaus Schwab now turns out to be true. He is a dangerous globalist manipulator.'
Shadow foreign secretary Priti Patel added: 'For such a senior figure in geopolitical affairs to have conspired and manipulated information against Brexit and the democratic outcome of a political process is a stain on the reputation of the WEF and those who are part of that forum, and it is thoroughly unacceptable.'
I've missed this but I haven't been watching the News lately (except seeing Starmer snivel under scrutiny about his appalling policies
). Is there a link or just tell me what to google. We ARE much poorer than other countries though, so what is the reason if not Brexit?
Got it, tap the blue words for links. Okey dokey!
-- Edited by Fluffy on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 10:41:02 PM
Many things have caused our debt as a nation. Brexit hardly touched that. You can take it right back to WW2 where our debts to the US and Canada were only paid off in 2006.
The 2008 financial crisis in the UK was primarily caused by the bursting of a global housing bubble, fuelled by risky mortgage lending practices and a lack of regulation in the financial sector. This led to a credit crunch, bank failures, and a sharp economic downturn.
We're currently in a mess because of our inept governments
What do you mean by poorer?
Bang on Digs! Not going to get any better with Stammer at the helm!
This is from.a BBC source from this year as you like stats !
Economists and analysts generally assess the impact of leaving the EU single market and customs union on 1 Jan 2021 on the UK's goods trade as having been negative.
This is despite the fact that the UK negotiated a free trade deal with the EU and avoided tariffs - or taxes - being imposed on the import and export of goods.
The negative impact comes from so-called "non-tariff barriers" - time consuming and sometimes complicated new paperwork that businesses have to fill out when importing and exporting to the EU.
Immigration was a key theme in the 2016 referendum campaign, centred on freedom of movement within the EU, under which UK and EU citizens could freely move to visit, study, work and live.
There has been a big fall in EU immigration and EU net migration (immigration minus emigration), external since the referendum and this accelerated after 2020 due to the end of freedom of movement.
But there have been large increases in net migration from the rest of the world since 2020
The working assumption of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), external, the government's independent official forecaster, is still that Brexit in the long-term will reduce exports and imports of goods and services by 15% relative to otherwise. It has held this view since 2016, including under the previous Government.
And the OBR's other working assumption is that the fall in trade relative to otherwise will reduce the long-term size of the UK economy by around 4% relative to otherwise, equivalent to roughly £100bn in today's money.
The OBR says it could revise both these assumptions based on new evidence and studies. The estimated negative economic impact could come down if the trade impact judged to be less severe. Yet there is no evidence, so far, to suggest that it will turn into a positive impact.
After Brexit, the UK has been able to strike its own trade deals with other countries.
There have been new trade deals with Australia and New Zealand and the government has been pursuing new agreements with the US and India.
But their impact on the economy is judged by the government's own official impact assessments to be small relative to the negative impact on UK- EU trade.
Source- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdrynjz1glpo
-- Edited by Fluffy on Thursday 24th of July 2025 11:54:36 AM
I do think Brexit affected the British economy quite badly Mags but it may not have been the concept of being a sovereign nation itself but the execution of the deal as Digger suggested previously.
The fact is Johnson really let down the UK by getting us a terrible deal.and I know you like Farage but he did mislead the voters by promising to give millions to the NHS if a leave vote occurred which simply never materialised.
I think you are right about Starmer. When he was questioned about his choices he and the Chancellor planned to make to welfare for the disabled he came across as very petulant, squirming in his chair.
He has done a deal with India today and evidently he is capable of dealing with important figures on the world stage, I couldn't see Liz Truss being adept at that! But he has a long way to go to make up.for some of his abysmal proposals and general.stand offish indifferent manner and as you say it might be too late. He is disliked by the public so much they might not want to.give him.another chance.
It might be a simplistic way of looking at it, but when they were elected, and one of his first policies was to withdraw pensioners fuel allowance, I honestly think he sealed his fate then and there.
This simply is not the Labour that people expected...taking off the poorest and most vulnerable. Big mistake in judgment.
I can't see his reputation growing when Trump comes over for his State visit in September, either.
My toes are already curling at the expected grovelling, sycophantic way he will be acting.
Agree completely especially with the BIB.
It's such a shame as I wanted to like Starmer but he isn't acting like a Labour PM and the cruel policies he approved are not just against Labour's core voters beliefs but most people's beliefs.
As for Trump due to Starmer's cringe worthy grovelling he has avoided higher tariffs for the UK. As unseemly as it is to watch I think it is necessary. If you don't grovel and make Trump feel like the most intelligent important President in American history he may decide to do all sorts.
The UK is saddled with a sycophant, but the US has to depend on a sociopath. I think we are in a better position
In light of the BBC's exposure as a hypocritical, woke, paedo supporting, leftie and manipulative source I wouldn't take anything they report as gospel.
Your trade may have declined but that doesn't mean you it your country are much poorer than other countries, just poorer than you might have been without Brexit. Although I'm not 100% sure if that..
I blame my mother. I was raised watching the BBC.
Oh, I think the BBC can be relied on to report many things correctly, just don't expect them to out their own child molesters, rapists or crooks.
I think they are incredibly biased. They are bringing out yet another English historical series with yet another black person playing an historical white person. It's fucking tedious and racist. Can you imagine the furore if the opposite was applied? Yet it's OK to insult our culture.
They are certainly biased when it comes to race and sex.
I listen to local BBC radio, when interviewing people in the street, they very seldom pick a white Brit to give an opinion.
Will they have a white Marin Luther King? Betcha no! Very biased.
Though...both Laurence Olivier and Anthony Hopkins have blacked up to play Othello, and in some little known TV film, actor Ralph Fiennes has even played Micheal Jackson.
That was before they had Asian actors. Fiennes playing MJ is ridiculous.
-- Edited by Magica on Sunday 27th of July 2025 11:33:33 AM
It was ridiculous, God knows why they did it...in the same film they cast Stockard Channing ( Rizzo in Grease) as Liz Taylor.
Mags, there have always been black and asian actors, they just didn't get the starring roles back then, save a couple of exceptions.
Yes, I make me you right