David Lammy today admitted that Keir Starmer's plan to recognise a Palestinian state will make no difference to the suffering in Gaza despite the potential huge cost to Britain's standing with its allies.
The Deputy Prime Minister said that the incendiary move, expected to be confirmed by Sir Keir later today, was about giving the Palestinian people 'hope'.
But he admitted that it would do nothing to end the fighting or feed tens of thousands of people in the grip of famine as the Israelis continue their bloody assault.
Sir Keir said in July he would recognise Palestine ahead of the gathering of world leaders at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) this week if the situation did not improve.
This morning shadow chancellor Mel Stride said Sir Keir had been 'totally naïve' if he thought his ultimatum would change the mind of the Netanyahu government.
'What has happened is that Keir Starmer's backbenchers and members of his cabinet have forced him into this position, to make this move,' he added.
'[It] has taken the leverage off the table. And that's not good foreign policy.'
Now legal experts have warned that it could also be a costly decision – because the new country would ask for eye-watering damages in compensation for land 'taken from the Palestinian people' when Britain relinquished control of the region after the Second World War.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who has a long history of threatening to sue Britain, is demanding 'reparations in accordance with international law' based on the value of the land which was under British rule between 1917 and 1948.
Some international law experts have described £2 trillion, roughly the size of Britain's total economy, as a 'good place to start'.
Magica said
Sep 21 5:24 PM, 2025
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Maddog said
Sep 21 6:07 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Magica said
Sep 21 6:35 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Ahh ok I wasn't sure Madders.
If giving them a state, will that bring peace I wonder.
Maddog said
Sep 21 6:45 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Ahh ok I wasn't sure Madders.
If giving them a state, will that bring peace I wonder.
Syria has a state. Yemen has a state, Iraq has a state, Lebanon has a state..
Yet they and Palestine stay at war..
I'd say the destruction of Israel would bring on peace, but I doubt it..
Part of the problem is the way Europeans chopped.up the middle east. The other is cultural..
Anonymous said
Sep 21 6:55 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Israel are “ bombing the shit out of them” because of Oct 7th. Hamas, and the support they have/had from the Palestinians themselves, has caused Israel’s actions - some of them “housed” Israeli hostages. If Hamas was similarly active on UK soil and committed a massacre and was still holding hostages would you not expect the UK to retaliate?
Egypt has the measure of the Palestinians and their Hamas, their wall is there for a reason.
Magica said
Sep 21 7:22 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Ahh ok I wasn't sure Madders.
If giving them a state, will that bring peace I wonder.
Syria has a state. Yemen has a state, Iraq has a state, Lebanon has a state..
Yet they and Palestine stay at war..
I'd say the destruction of Israel would bring on peace, but I doubt it..
Part of the problem is the way Europeans chopped.up the middle east. The other is cultural..
I thought it was called land of Palestine in the bible, that's why I thought it was their land.
I get your last sentence, Middle East has always been a powder keg.
Maddog said
Sep 21 7:32 PM, 2025
"The name "Palestine" was given to the Roman province of Judea by the Romans around 139 CE. This was a deliberate act to insult the Jews, named after the ancient Philistines who had long since disappeared as a distinct people."
There are no Palestinians. There are Arabs from a certain area that call themselves that.
Magica said
Sep 21 8:53 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
"The name "Palestine" was given to the Roman province of Judea by the Romans around 139 CE. This was a deliberate act to insult the Jews, named after the ancient Philistines who had long since disappeared as a distinct people."
There are no Palestinians. There are Arabs from a certain area that call themselves that.
So giving them a State isn't the right thing to do then?
Digger said
Sep 21 9:08 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Ahh ok I wasn't sure Madders.
If giving them a state, will that bring peace I wonder.
Hamas and their ilk want to wipe the whole of Israel, the every Jew off the face of the earth. So what do you think?
Magica said
Sep 21 9:46 PM, 2025
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Ahh ok I wasn't sure Madders.
If giving them a state, will that bring peace I wonder.
Hamas and their ilk want to wipe the whole of Israel, the every Jew off the face of the earth. So what do you think?
I take that as a no then Digs eh?
Digger said
Sep 21 9:55 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
They can't have what we haven't got, but Starmer will give them something, the traitor.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Ahh ok I wasn't sure Madders.
If giving them a state, will that bring peace I wonder.
Hamas and their ilk want to wipe the whole of Israel, the every Jew off the face of the earth. So what do you think?
I take that as a no then Digs eh?
I think we need to stop viewing the situation through rose tinted spectacles in the hope that this or that will solve it all. Look to history, and take it from there. This won't ever end until one of them wins or they all wind up wiped from the face of the earth.
Maddog said
Sep 21 11:32 PM, 2025
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"The name "Palestine" was given to the Roman province of Judea by the Romans around 139 CE. This was a deliberate act to insult the Jews, named after the ancient Philistines who had long since disappeared as a distinct people."
There are no Palestinians. There are Arabs from a certain area that call themselves that.
So giving them a State isn't the right thing to do then?
They were given a state when the UK left in 1948..They have spent the last 80 years trying to destroy Israel instead of working on their state.
I really think the best solution is for Jordan to take the West Bank and Egypt to take Gaza. I just don't think anyone would accept that.
Palestine is a vehicle that other countries use to wage war with Israel..
Magica said
Sep 22 12:12 AM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
"The name "Palestine" was given to the Roman province of Judea by the Romans around 139 CE. This was a deliberate act to insult the Jews, named after the ancient Philistines who had long since disappeared as a distinct people."
There are no Palestinians. There are Arabs from a certain area that call themselves that.
So giving them a State isn't the right thing to do then?
They were given a state when the UK left in 1948..They have spent the last 80 years trying to destroy Israel instead of working on their state.
I really think the best solution is for Jordan to take the West Bank and Egypt to take Gaza. I just don't think anyone would accept that.
Palestine is a vehicle that other countries use to wage war with Israel..
With all the conflict now and Israel bombing the Palestinians, I think maybe having their own state might stop this. Or is it helping Hamas? I don't agree with terrorists getting a helping hand with this. It's really hard to say, I don't know the answer.
Edited to say, they reckon it will cost us trillions now. Why us? Is it because we gave Israel the land, and if so, surely now Starmer has dropped us well in it.
-- Edited by Magica on Monday 22nd of September 2025 12:16:35 AM
Anonymous said
Sep 23 9:59 AM, 2025
For any State to survive it needs to have control of its Highlands and it coastal region. Israel before the 1967 War was clearly a non stable state geographically. It was attacked from the highlands and the coastal regions by Arab-Muslims hell bent on the destruction of the Jews and Israel. At that time Israel was technically more advanced and was able to survive the assault and push back gaining territory that it should have kept. Instead the lands Israel gained through the failed attempt by the Arab-Muslims to destroy it was called "Occupied Lands" by a UN resolution.
The claim Islam has over Jerusalem and hence Israel was an imaginary night-flight by the sixth century warlord called Mohammad to Jerusalem. This was a political device in order to persuade Jewish communities dotted throughout the Arabian Peninsula at the time to join Mohammad in his war against the ruling powers of Mecca. Later when Mohammad was in power he turned against those Jews who wanted to remain independent and slaughtered them. This was all later written in the Quran and accompanying Hadiths. Mohammad's imaginary night flight to Jerusalem was written in the Quran and since then Islam has claimed ownership of Jerusalem and its surrounding territories. As long as the Quran and Islam exists the State of Israel will always be a target. The best that can be achieved for Israel is a stalemate situation - but Israel must be able to have a chance of defending itself by having control of its highlands and coastal region.
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 13th of October 2025 07:21:40 PM
Oops..
I guess I should have posted a warning.
Maddog said
Oct 13 7:26 PM, 2025
And to add, look at the bullets striking the ground just beyond the victims. They are going to continue across the street and hit some of the baying mob.
-- Edited by Syl on Monday 13th of October 2025 07:21:40 PM
Oops..
I guess I should have posted a warning.
This why I think things won't be straight forward.
Digger said
Oct 13 7:29 PM, 2025
Maddog wrote:
And to add, look at the bullets striking the ground just beyond the victims. They are going to continue across the street and hit some of the baying mob.
David Lammy today admitted that Keir Starmer's plan to recognise a Palestinian state will make no difference to the suffering in Gaza despite the potential huge cost to Britain's standing with its allies.
The Deputy Prime Minister said that the incendiary move, expected to be confirmed by Sir Keir later today, was about giving the Palestinian people 'hope'.
But he admitted that it would do nothing to end the fighting or feed tens of thousands of people in the grip of famine as the Israelis continue their bloody assault.
Sir Keir said in July he would recognise Palestine ahead of the gathering of world leaders at the UN General Assembly (UNGA) this week if the situation did not improve.
The move has been condemned by Tory leader Kemi Badenoch for 'rewarding terrorism', while the US Government says that it will have 'disastrous consequences'.
This morning shadow chancellor Mel Stride said Sir Keir had been 'totally naïve' if he thought his ultimatum would change the mind of the Netanyahu government.
'What has happened is that Keir Starmer's backbenchers and members of his cabinet have forced him into this position, to make this move,' he added.
'[It] has taken the leverage off the table. And that's not good foreign policy.'
Now legal experts have warned that it could also be a costly decision – because the new country would ask for eye-watering damages in compensation for land 'taken from the Palestinian people' when Britain relinquished control of the region after the Second World War.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, who has a long history of threatening to sue Britain, is demanding 'reparations in accordance with international law' based on the value of the land which was under British rule between 1917 and 1948.
Some international law experts have described £2 trillion, roughly the size of Britain's total economy, as a 'good place to start'.
Aside from that, I think Palestine should be a State. I'm sure it was in times gone by, before Israel was handed it.
It will stop Israel bombing the shit out of them, to get the out of Gaza so they can have all the land for themselves!
Palestine has never been a state. Not until it was created along side Israel. It was basically just a geographic area.
The current area of Gaza was part of Egypt 60 years ago..
Ahh ok I wasn't sure Madders.
If giving them a state, will that bring peace I wonder.
Syria has a state. Yemen has a state, Iraq has a state, Lebanon has a state..
Yet they and Palestine stay at war..
I'd say the destruction of Israel would bring on peace, but I doubt it..
Part of the problem is the way Europeans chopped.up the middle east. The other is cultural..
Israel are “ bombing the shit out of them” because of Oct 7th. Hamas, and the support they have/had from the Palestinians themselves, has caused Israel’s actions - some of them “housed” Israeli hostages. If Hamas was similarly active on UK soil and committed a massacre and was still holding hostages would you not expect the UK to retaliate?
Egypt has the measure of the Palestinians and their Hamas, their wall is there for a reason.
I thought it was called land of Palestine in the bible, that's why I thought it was their land.
I get your last sentence, Middle East has always been a powder keg.
There are no Palestinians. There are Arabs from a certain area that call themselves that.
So giving them a State isn't the right thing to do then?
Hamas and their ilk want to wipe the whole of Israel, the every Jew off the face of the earth. So what do you think?
I take that as a no then Digs eh?
I think we need to stop viewing the situation through rose tinted spectacles in the hope that this or that will solve it all. Look to history, and take it from there. This won't ever end until one of them wins or they all wind up wiped from the face of the earth.
They were given a state when the UK left in 1948..They have spent the last 80 years trying to destroy Israel instead of working on their state.
I really think the best solution is for Jordan to take the West Bank and Egypt to take Gaza. I just don't think anyone would accept that.
Palestine is a vehicle that other countries use to wage war with Israel..
With all the conflict now and Israel bombing the Palestinians, I think maybe having their own state might stop this. Or is it helping Hamas? I don't agree with terrorists getting a helping hand with this. It's really hard to say, I don't know the answer.
Edited to say, they reckon it will cost us trillions now. Why us? Is it because we gave Israel the land, and if so, surely now Starmer has dropped us well in it.
-- Edited by Magica on Monday 22nd of September 2025 12:16:35 AM
For any State to survive it needs to have control of its Highlands and it coastal region. Israel before the 1967 War was clearly a non stable state geographically. It was attacked from the highlands and the coastal regions by Arab-Muslims hell bent on the destruction of the Jews and Israel. At that time Israel was technically more advanced and was able to survive the assault and push back gaining territory that it should have kept. Instead the lands Israel gained through the failed attempt by the Arab-Muslims to destroy it was called "Occupied Lands" by a UN resolution.
The claim Islam has over Jerusalem and hence Israel was an imaginary night-flight by the sixth century warlord called Mohammad to Jerusalem. This was a political device in order to persuade Jewish communities dotted throughout the Arabian Peninsula at the time to join Mohammad in his war against the ruling powers of Mecca. Later when Mohammad was in power he turned against those Jews who wanted to remain independent and slaughtered them. This was all later written in the Quran and accompanying Hadiths. Mohammad's imaginary night flight to Jerusalem was written in the Quran and since then Islam has claimed ownership of Jerusalem and its surrounding territories. As long as the Quran and Islam exists the State of Israel will always be a target. The best that can be achieved for Israel is a stalemate situation - but Israel must be able to have a chance of defending itself by having control of its highlands and coastal region.
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-- Edited by Syl on Monday 13th of October 2025 07:21:40 PM
Oops..
I guess I should have posted a warning.
These ass holes are stupid as well as evil..
This why I think things won't be straight forward.
Uneducated and ignorant most of them.