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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Have a hug.

Magica · Go Outside

Yes Syl, although some have been hugging anyway. I feel now after the riots, because that's what is was with BLM, that social distancing has gone now anyway.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

It has been elbow bumps all the time in our house!

It has been very annoying watching these protesters not social distancing,

especially when I haven’t hugged my son since Christmas!

BackGammon · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
It has been elbow bumps all the time in our house!

It has been very annoying watching these protesters not social distancing,
especially when I haven’t hugged my son since Christmas!

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

BackGammon wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
It has been elbow bumps all the time in our house!

It has been very annoying watching these protesters not social distancing,
especially when I haven’t hugged my son since Christmas!

Thanks

I sound a bit whiney, don’t I

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Twizzler wrote:
BackGammon wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
It has been elbow bumps all the time in our house!

It has been very annoying watching these protesters not social distancing,
especially when I haven’t hugged my son since Christmas!

Thanks

I sound a bit whiney, don’t I

No you don't, I feel exactly the same. x

BackGammon · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
BackGammon wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
It has been elbow bumps all the time in our house!

It has been very annoying watching these protesters not social distancing,
especially when I haven’t hugged my son since Christmas!

Thanks

I sound a bit whiney, don’t I

Nope.

Date: Jun 11 4:14 PM, 2020

Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.

But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!

I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.

As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.

In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.

I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?

I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.

Date: Jun 11 4:24 PM, 2020

Twizzler wrote:
It has been elbow bumps all the time in our house!

It has been very annoying watching these protesters not social distancing,
especially when I haven’t hugged my son since Christmas!

It's the same for us all Twizzler. I do feel for you because my mother cries that she had been unable to have my brother or myself in the house, let alone hug us. She feels very lonely and videocalls can only do so much.

It may have been irritating watching the protests ignoring the rules but all those about to hug and meet loved ones are about to put their families in danger just a matter of days after.

I just wish we had a competent Government tbh, I don't blame the public at all for wanting to meet family and friends. Economic growth is all they are concerned with now London is secure.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.
But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!
I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.
As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.
In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.
I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?
I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.

I understand your worries, and it's not compulsory to go and give hugs

I think people have to make their own minds up. For the ones who have been following the lockdown and social distancing I imagine they will carry on being sensible and not putting themselves or others in danger.

Nothing will change for the others.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

Anonymous wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
It has been elbow bumps all the time in our house!

It has been very annoying watching these protesters not social distancing,
especially when I haven’t hugged my son since Christmas!
It's the same for us all Twizzler. I do feel for you because my mother cries that she had been unable to have my brother or myself in the house, let alone hug us. She feels very lonely and videocalls can only do so much.
It may have been irritating watching the protests ignoring the rules but all those about to hug and meet loved ones are about to put their families in danger just a matter of days after.
I just wish we had a competent Government tbh, I don't blame the public at all for wanting to meet family and friends. Economic growth is all they are concerned with now London is secure.

It must be very hard for people living on their own.
The government couldn’t organise a baby shower.

JP · Burning up the forum

Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.
But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!
I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.
As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.
In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.
I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?
I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.

The R is below 1. Did you not listen to the CSO just yesterday? They take into account what 13 separate models tell them. Overall the R is below 1.

You really need to listen more carefully. You might type some accurate information then.

As for the experts. There's loads of them. With wide and varied opinions.

One of those guys was on SAGE. Until he broke the rules because he fancied a shag with a married woman.

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 11th of June 2020 06:04:38 PM

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.
But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!
I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.
As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.
In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.
I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?
I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.
I understand your worries, and it's not compulsory to go and give hugs
I think people have to make their own minds up. For the ones who have been following the lockdown and social distancing I imagine they will carry on being sensible and not putting themselves or others in danger.
Nothing will change for the others.

Don't be talking all sensible.

It'll hurt some people's brain. They'll struggle to comprehend your reasoning.

Date: Jun 11 6:28 PM, 2020

Magica wrote:
Yes Syl, although some have been hugging anyway. I feel now after the riots, because that's what is was with BLM, that social distancing has gone now anyway.

Youre obsessed with BLM. Change the record.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.
But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!
I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.
As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.
In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.
I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?
I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.
The R is below 1. Did you not listen to the CSO just yesterday? They take into account what 13 separate models tell them. Overall the R is below 1.
You really need to listen more carefully. You might type some accurate information then.
As for the experts. There's loads of them. With wide and varied opinions.
One of those guys was on SAGE. Until he broke the rules because he fancied a shag with a married woman.

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 11th of June 2020 06:04:38 PM

The R might be below 1 where you live JP.

But It isn’t like that in certain parts of the country.

There are a few politicians that have broken the rules, eh JP.

Didn’t the guy from sage resign?

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.
But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!
I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.
As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.
In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.
I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?
I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.
The R is below 1. Did you not listen to the CSO just yesterday? They take into account what 13 separate models tell them. Overall the R is below 1.
You really need to listen more carefully. You might type some accurate information then.
As for the experts. There's loads of them. With wide and varied opinions.
One of those guys was on SAGE. Until he broke the rules because he fancied a shag with a married woman.

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 11th of June 2020 06:04:38 PM
The R might be below 1 where you live JP.
But It isn’t like that in certain parts of the country.
There are a few politicians that have broken the rules, eh JP.
Didn’t the guy from sage resign?

Wrong. The overall consensus when all the info they have is taken into account is that the R is below 1. The Chief Scientific Officer said this just yesterday. He obviously sits on SAGE. I wish everyone would listen to the latest info as a whole. Not just pick out tit-bits of info. Out of those 13 models, 1 just 1, said the R was above 1 in two areas of the Country. The others did not. And guess what much of the mainstream media went with that ONE model. That was the sole basis of their info. Never mind the other 12.

He resigned yes. Going to someone else's house or them coming to yours for a shag was not permitted in any guidance or rules, anywhere at the time.

Eh yes there are. Several people, Tory linked, and Labour linked, MPs or otherwise haven't resigned. Maybe some should have, and some shouldn't. People will obviously have differing opinions on that. That's just how it is.

Date: Jun 12 1:10 AM, 2020

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.
But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!
I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.
As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.
In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.
I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?
I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.
The R is below 1. Did you not listen to the CSO just yesterday? They take into account what 13 separate models tell them. Overall the R is below 1.
You really need to listen more carefully. You might type some accurate information then.
As for the experts. There's loads of them. With wide and varied opinions.
One of those guys was on SAGE. Until he broke the rules because he fancied a shag with a married woman.

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 11th of June 2020 06:04:38 PM
The R might be below 1 where you live JP.
But It isn’t like that in certain parts of the country.
There are a few politicians that have broken the rules, eh JP.
Didn’t the guy from sage resign?
Wrong. The overall consensus when all the info they have is taken into account is that the R is below 1. The Chief Scientific Officer said this just yesterday. He obviously sits on SAGE. I wish everyone would listen to the latest info as a whole. Not just pick out tit-bits of info. Out of those 13 models, 1 just 1, said the R was above 1 in two areas of the Country. The others did not. And guess what much of the mainstream media went with that ONE model. That was the sole basis of their info. Never mind the other 12.
He resigned yes. Going to someone else's house or them coming to yours for a shag was not permitted in any guidance or rules, anywhere at the time.
Eh yes there are. Several people, Tory linked, and Labour linked, MPs or otherwise haven't resigned. Maybe some should have, and some shouldn't. People will obviously have differing opinions on that. That's just how it is.

Thanks for that JD, I didn't know one model stated one area in England was above 1, I thought it was just 1. That's shocking.

The bottom line is in some regions of England it is far closer to R than it was during lockdown yet the safety legislation is slowly being eradicated. Ergo more people will catch the virus, that's just simple stats because R is higher and less people are self isolating. Here is a sole model JP-

Higher R + more people socialising =Much higher risk of more cases of Covid= lockdown rules being eased.

I don't understand why you get annoyed with people posting this information. Many people are disgusted with the Government, scientists from other countries can't believe how late the PM activated lockdown considering the knowledge about Covid he had 3 months prior.

Everyone on social media and television has accepted there are only a few places where R is 1 and is on the analysis phase, you seem to be behind saying it hadn't happened when it's already established it has . What Twizzler said is the same statistics I was told by the media...and apparently everyone else.

You are allowed to think differently of course but you could challenge the post not the poster i.e dispute the claims with your own evidence without insults that undermine your point.

John Doe · Still Here!

It would be nice for families.

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 12th of June 2020 10:20:49 AM

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
If you have been following the lockdown rules you will know that giving and receiving hugs has been in very short supply over the last 3 months.
From weekend the rules will relax a bit for people who live on their own. They will be able to visit one of their friends or families homes, and HUG as much as they like....go indoors, have meals, stay over, whatever they like. Lovers who have been apart can meet and resume their relationships.
That's good news for people who have been isolating alone....and one step nearer getting life back on track for all of us.
But it's too dangerous with R bring some close to 1 and actually higher is 1 in some parts of England!
I totally understand people wanting and needing to see their loved ones but the sad fact is its just too soon and the Government is irresponsible.
As scientific experts have finally had the courage to say the Government going into lockdown a week late doubled the amount of fatalities. Their incompetence cost thousands of lives and scientists would not claim this lightly with their reputation's as stake.
In Wales children living in poverty are being given a free meal a day as if in school, even if not actually attending. England are not doing this for some reason. They are still using stricter lockdown rules there too. I don't think this "bubble" is occurring there until it's safer to do so.
I couldn't go and hug my loved ones from another household with the R higher than it was at some points during the proper lockdown. It doesn't make sense. My mother is so distressed and would love to hug us but she can't ignore the dangers even if the PM can. The whole point was to self isolate and stay indoors whilst R was high and it still is high, just not in London. It's almost as if only the capital matters to the Government. It may be safe to practice the bubble in London but not so in many places in England, the science dictates it-so why is Johnson endangering more people yet again?
I just urge those living near regions where R is 1 (if this occurs the PM said he would call a 2nd lockdown yet he hasn't)wanting to see elderly relations to resist just until the science confirms it's a little less dangerous.
The R is below 1. Did you not listen to the CSO just yesterday? They take into account what 13 separate models tell them. Overall the R is below 1.
You really need to listen more carefully. You might type some accurate information then.
As for the experts. There's loads of them. With wide and varied opinions.
One of those guys was on SAGE. Until he broke the rules because he fancied a shag with a married woman.

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 11th of June 2020 06:04:38 PM
The R might be below 1 where you live JP.
But It isn’t like that in certain parts of the country.
There are a few politicians that have broken the rules, eh JP.
Didn’t the guy from sage resign?
Wrong. The overall consensus when all the info they have is taken into account is that the R is below 1. The Chief Scientific Officer said this just yesterday. He obviously sits on SAGE. I wish everyone would listen to the latest info as a whole. Not just pick out tit-bits of info. Out of those 13 models, 1 just 1, said the R was above 1 in two areas of the Country. The others did not. And guess what much of the mainstream media went with that ONE model. That was the sole basis of their info. Never mind the other 12.
He resigned yes. Going to someone else's house or them coming to yours for a shag was not permitted in any guidance or rules, anywhere at the time.
Eh yes there are. Several people, Tory linked, and Labour linked, MPs or otherwise haven't resigned. Maybe some should have, and some shouldn't. People will obviously have differing opinions on that. That's just how it is.

You do talk a load of tosh.

You honestly believe what they say on those briefings JP?
Not one of them can talk the truth, they have been saying one thing for weeks, then change their minds completely!

We on the coast are at level 1 JP, and I for one will be staying indoors until that level becomes lower. You think you

know everything, but you don’t. I mean, Christ, you believe Cummings didn’t do anything wrong!!

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Where I live in the NW of England the R rate has crept up to 1.1.
We have been told repeatedly that anything above 1 will result in reviewing and possibly strengthening lockdown measures.
Well in my area it IS above 1 again, but lockdown measures are being slackened...even moreso from the weekend.