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An unemployed Oxford graduate has had a landmark legal bid to force his 'enormously wealthy' parents to pay him 'maintenance' for life thrown out by top judges.

Faiz Siddiqui, 41, who trained as a lawyer with a top legal firm, says he is completely dependent on his elderly mother and father.

For years they have given him handouts and put him up rent free in a £1million flat they own near Hyde Park.

But after a family falling-out, his 'long-suffering' parents, who live in Dubai, cut their support.

Mr Siddiqui - backed by top human rights lawyers - sued his parents in a first-of-its-kind test case in the UK.

But now judges in the Court of Appeal have thrown out his claim, saying that married parents have 'no legal duty to support their adult children'. 

Mr Siddiqui also worked at Ernst & Young as a tax advisor. But he has been unemployed since 2011.

For 20 years, he has been put up by his rich parents in their apartment near Hyde Park. They have also given handouts to cover his bills and other outgoings.

But the court heard how his relationship, particularly with his father, 'deteriorated' in recent years.

The financial support they are willing to provide Mr Siddiqui has 'significantly reduced,' the court heard.

Mr Siddiqui, who went to a Berkshire grammar school, claimed that his parents' handouts 'nurtured his dependency' on them for 20 years.

He claimed that, in cutting their financial support, they left the state to deal with the consequences.

He last year launched a case against his parents, claiming maintenance. 

But he saw it kicked out by the country's senior family court judge, Sir James Munby.

The test case then went to the Court of Appeal for the country's top judges to decide.

His barrister Hugh Southey QC argued that Mr Siddiqui is entitled to apply for maintenance under the 1989 Children's Act because he is a 'vulnerable' adult due to health issues.

And although the act says an adult child cannot make a claim if their parents are still living together, Mr Southey said that would discriminate against the children of still married parents like Mr Siddiqui and so is a human rights violation.

However, Mr Siddiqui's rich mother and father Rakshanda, 69, and Javed Siddiqui, 71, fought his claim.

They said they did not want to give him any more than the £400-a-week they were currently providing.

Their barrister Justin Warshaw QC argued that allowing the claim to proceed would result in the floodgates being opened to thousands of adult children who are either vulnerable or planning further education and want cash from their parents.

'What Mr Siddiqui seeks is to foist a relationship of financial dependency on parents who do not wish that relationship to continue,' he said.

'These long-suffering parents have reached their own view of what is suitable provision for their difficult, demanding and pertinacious 41-year-old son.

'Their highly qualified son lives rent free in their £1m two-bedroom London apartment, a stone's throw from Hyde Park.

'They pay for his utilities and give him £1,500 or so each month. That is their choice. The state cannot and should not be interfering in that decision.

'It would fundamentally alter the relationship between the state and cohabiting/married parents, enabling all adults to litigate against their parents, whether their parents are cohabiting or not, where an adult asserts that they are contemplating higher education or where there are special circumstances.'

'Parliament - and Mr Siddiqui's parents - do not consider that a child, particularly an adult child, should be able to litigate against their parents where there is a dispute between child and parent as to the level of support offered by the parents.

'Mr Siddiqui, wrongly, assumes that he is entitled to provision from his parents as of right. This is wrong.'

He added: 'His skeleton argument is littered with emotive references to "child and "children". 

'To be clear, this is a man in his 40s, seeking financial support from his elderly parents - 69 and 71 years old, respectively.

'It goes without saying that the parents are devastated that they are being put through this ordeal by their son and that they are being put to such enormous expense, particularly when set against their historic and ongoing generosity towards him.'

Backing that argument and throwing out the son's case, Lord Justice Underhill said: 'It is the considered policy of Parliament that parents may only be ordered to provide support to their adult children in the context of relationship breakdown and that there should be no general discretionary power to require the provision of such support outside that context.

The latest court defeat comes after Mr Siddiqui tried to sue his former university for 'appallingly bad' teaching that cost him a top degree and a lucrative legal career.

The Oxford graduate had claimed 'boring' tuition and staff being on extended sabbatical leave had meant he only received a 2:1 instead of the first-class degree he had wanted.

He maintained this cost him a place on a law course at a top US Ivy League university, such as Yale or Harvard, and denied him the high-flying legal career he had coveted.

Mr Siddiqui and his barrister Roger Mallalieu had valued his loss of earnings claim against the Chancellor, Masters and Scholars of the University of Oxford, at £1million. 

However in 2018 Mr Siddiqui's claim was thrown out of court and he was told by a High Court judge the tuition he received at Brasenose College was of a 'perfectly adequate standard'. 

Mr Justice Foskett ruled Mr Siddiqui's 'inadequate preparation' and 'lack of academic discipline' towards his degree were the reasons he under performed in his June 2000 exams. 

He added a 'severe episode of hay fever' may also have contributed to Mr Siddiqui's failure to get the grade he wanted.



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Fucking unbelievable!

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Kids should be encouraged to start fending for themselves gradually....when they leave education they should be working and either moving out or tipping up.

Forever giving handouts isn't good for anyone.

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Syl wrote:

Kids should be encouraged to start fending for themselves gradually....when they leave education they should be working and either moving out or tipping up.

Forever giving handouts isn't good for anyone.


 I left school and went straight into work.   Then I had to pay my parents money.   Then I had to fend for myself.   I never, ever tapped into the bank of mum and dad.   Nor would it have been tolerated.



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Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:

Kids should be encouraged to start fending for themselves gradually....when they leave education they should be working and either moving out or tipping up.

Forever giving handouts isn't good for anyone.


 I left school and went straight into work.   Then I had to pay my parents money.   Then I had to fend for myself.   I never, ever tapped into the bank of mum and dad.   Nor would it have been tolerated.


You are of the old school Digs - so is Syl.

I do wonder what they were giving him before if that £400 a week is a greatly reduced amount.

Plus he lives in an exclusive area in a £1million property for free and he actually took his own fucking parents to court?

'Human rights' lawyers seem to have no shame or common sense at all.



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Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:

Kids should be encouraged to start fending for themselves gradually....when they leave education they should be working and either moving out or tipping up.

Forever giving handouts isn't good for anyone.


 I left school and went straight into work.   Then I had to pay my parents money.   Then I had to fend for myself.   I never, ever tapped into the bank of mum and dad.   Nor would it have been tolerated.


 Same here.

My son also worked part time through college, then full time as soon as he left.

He has never asked for money, we have obviously helped him out at times, but he has never expected handouts.



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John Doe wrote:
Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:

Kids should be encouraged to start fending for themselves gradually....when they leave education they should be working and either moving out or tipping up.

Forever giving handouts isn't good for anyone.


 I left school and went straight into work.   Then I had to pay my parents money.   Then I had to fend for myself.   I never, ever tapped into the bank of mum and dad.   Nor would it have been tolerated.


You are of the old school Digs - so is Syl.

I do wonder what they were giving him before if that £400 a week is a greatly reduced amount.

Plus he lives in an exclusive area in a £1million property for free and he actually took his own fucking parents to court?

'Human rights' lawyers seem to have no shame or common sense at all.


 The thing is, what have you got left to strive for when you don't fight for it yourself?   Seems he failed at University because it was all paid for by someone else, not from his own hard earned money or a desire to better himself.  Probably more from a desire to impress others.

 

 



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Frederick Douglass said that “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.”

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Maddog wrote:

Frederick Douglass said that “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.”


 Good quote.



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Maddog wrote:

Frederick Douglass said that “It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men.”


 Yeah.  Goes hand in hand with that other saying by Aristotle. “Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man.”



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The problem is, there's no manual on parenthood. We make mistakes. We have faults and weaknesses and damage of our own. We often don't get it right.

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Digger wrote:

The problem is, there's no manual on parenthood. We make mistakes. We have faults and weaknesses and damage of our own. We often don't get it right.


 True. I'm amazed at how well mine turned out. With 3,  the odds one would be a disaster.  

 

All 3 married good men, have homes and two now have children. 

 

I think the problem is generational. If you don't "get yourself right" from your bad childhood, you pass it on to your kids. 

 

After that, it's just time, effort and instinct. 



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I bet most of us could recall events from childhood that could have changed our future ... if we let it.
Maddog was adopted, my dad left never to be seen again when I was five, no doubt everyone has a story to tell.
The way we turn out depends on how we handled these things, or more to the point, the way the people around us at the time enabled us to handle these things.

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