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We got caught up in the aftermath of this driving home.   Probably missed it by 20 minutes.  Took us hours to get out of the tailback.   Just before we hit the traffic jam, two black cars driven by young men roared past us doing at least a ton.  I had a bad feeling about it as they disappeared into the distance.  

 

 

A man who filmed himself speeding at 123mph as he weaved between motorway traffic has been jailed for 12 years after killing a pregnant mother-of-two in a road smash.
 

Adil Iqbal, 22, was driving with one hand and holding his phone with the other to film himself, possibly to upload to Facebook, as he tailgated and undertook other vehicles and swerved across lanes, reaching a speed of 123mph in his father's BMW car on the M66 in Bury, Greater Manchester, on May 13 this year.

Frankie Jules-Hough, 38, had pulled over on the hard shoulder with a tyre puncture, with her two sons and nephew in the car, and was making a call to say she would be late when she let out a 'blood curdling scream', Minshull Street Crown Court in Manchester heard.

Iqbal's BMW 140i undertook a motorbike then swerved, over compensated and hit a crash barrier before spinning around and ploughing into Ms Jules-Hough's Skoda Fabia at an estimated 92mph.

Ms Jules-Hough,  who was 17 weeks pregnant with her first daughter, Neeve, suffered unsurvivable brain injuries. 

She had pulled over on the hard shoulder with a tyre puncture, with her two sons and nephew in the car, and was making a call to say she would be late when she let out a 'blood curdling scream', the court heard.

Iqbal's BMW 140i undertook a motorbike then swerved, over-compensated and hit a crash barrier before spinning around and ploughing into Ms Jules-Hough's Skoda Fabia at an estimated 92mph.

Her son, Thomas Spencer, aged nine, and nephew Tobias Welby were left in a coma suffering serious brain injuries and their long-term outcomes remain uncertain, the court heard.

Both spent weeks in intensive care in hospital.

Ms Jules-Hough was on the phone to Thomas' father who, along with other family, dashed to the scene of the mangled car wreck, as emergency services and air ambulances descended.

Dashcam footage and footage from Iqbal's phone was shown to the court, watched by relatives of Ms Jules-Hough, some of whom gave heart-rending victim impact statements before the defendant was jailed.

 

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12315137/BMW-driver-killed-pregnant-mother-two-38-injured-son-9-horror-M66-crash-stopped-hard-shoulder-phone-call-jailed-12-years.html



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The problem is, that you can't ask a man to carry a rifle in some shithole country half way around the world, then tell him he's not old enough to drive to the store for eggs.

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Black box insurance and the insurance company must inform the police of their records.

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Black box insurance and the insurance company must inform the police of their records.
Maybe black box control of the vehicle for the first couple of years,

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I heard about this case today on the radio....an idiot in a car he can't handle...so many idiots nowadays, driving too fast in vehicles that are manufactured to do ridiculous speeds

I don't think the driving age should be higher, I think people under, say 25, should only be allowed to drive less powerful vehicles.

And as a deterrent, I think anyone who kills or maims someone in an accident they have caused, should be banned from driving for life.

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Syl wrote:


I heard about this case today on the radio....an idiot in a car he can't handle...so many idiots nowadays, driving too fast in vehicles that are manufactured to do ridiculous speeds

I don't think the driving age should be higher, I think people under, say 25, should only be allowed to drive less powerful vehicles.

And as a deterrent, I think anyone who kills or maims someone in an accident they have caused, should be banned from driving for life.

 I agree that cars don't need to do those speeds.   I think too that anyone under 25 shouldn't be allowed to drive anything above a certain engine size, but the reality is you can kill someone on a bloody pushbike if you drive it badly.   It's about the mentality of the minds of these people, the arrogance and utter recklessness.   



-- Edited by Digger on Wednesday 19th of July 2023 10:37:42 PM

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Maddog wrote:

The problem is, that you can't ask a man to carry a rifle in some shithole country half way around the world, then tell him he's not old enough to drive to the store for eggs.

 When you go tote that rifle  in some shithole half way around the world, you're doing it to kill.    When you drive a car you need something else going on in your head so that you don't kill.

 



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Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:


I heard about this case today on the radio....an idiot in a car he can't handle...so many idiots nowadays, driving too fast in vehicles that are manufactured to do ridiculous speeds

I don't think the driving age should be higher, I think people under, say 25, should only be allowed to drive less powerful vehicles.

And as a deterrent, I think anyone who kills or maims someone in an accident they have caused, should be banned from driving for life.

 I agree that cars don't need to do those speeds.   I think too that anyone under 25 shouldn't be allowed to drive anything above a certain engine size, but the reality is you can kill someone on a bloody pushbike if you drive it badly.   It's about the mentality of the minds of these people, the arrogance and utter recklessness.   



-- Edited by Digger on Wednesday 19th of July 2023 10:37:42 PM

 Unfortunately, cars are sometimes driven by idiots.. An idiot on a bike could hurt someone, but an idiot speeding down a motorway videoing himself is more likely to kill.

This idiot has got 12 paltry years,  he will be driving again as soon as he is released....he should be banned for life.

 



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He should have got atleast twenty years or more. He will be out in 6 yrs.or less, but still the woman will be dead, as will her unborn baby, so two were killed. Plus the catastrophic injuries to the children!

I'm disgusted!😠



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This story is pretty appalling.

Underage everything and if this is what happens when kids are exposed to too much too soon then the word better get a grip

Polzeath has descended into an orgy of drugs, vandalism and underage sex

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12329761



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Digger wrote:

This story is pretty appalling.

Underage everything and if this is what happens when kids are exposed to too much too soon then the word better get a grip

Polzeath has descended into an orgy of drugs, vandalism and underage sex

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12329761

 Quite a thought to think that some of these kids will be running the country in the future.

Glad I wont be around.



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