Digger wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Personally I think not having a decent man in the house when kids are growing up has a lot to do with the way some men act now.

If there ares no male role model, brought up by females, or maybe substitute dads who don't have any fatherly love for the kids, I think that has to have an effect on how teens, young men, and eventually adults act.

I will watch the vid later.

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 I have three brothers who are living proof that having no father figure doesn't do any damage.   We were all raised by my mother for most of our lives, myself with no father figure, and my brothers with a violent murderer for a dad for the first ten years of that marriage.   My mum was father and mother to us all for most of the time.  We all turned out fine.

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 Obviously not everyone who has had no father figure in their life is lacking....I had none myself, and I am fabulous. 

My point is the breakdown in families has had an effect ...especially on boys.

Thats my opinion.

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Maddog wrote:

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I think we have broken a large number of young men in society. I don't think many even have a clue how to be a man anymore.  

 

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 Reading between the lines I'm guessing you think you're a real man while others aren't. If that's the case what are the attributes you've got that make you a real man?

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 I think my SILs are real men too. 

Part of what makes us what we are, is the environment in which we are raised.  I was raised to believe hard work was a virtue. Suffering and discomfort were part of life. Sacrifice is important.

I never checked out of education, relationships nor work. 

I sure as hell didn't go years without sex in my 20s because I didn't know how to interact with females..

And I'm not really blaming young men. They didn't raise themselves, their parents did. Sorta like when I see a.fat teenager. Who's fault is that? They aren't doing the grocery shopping. 

Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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I think we have broken a large number of young men in society. I don't think many even have a clue how to be a man anymore.  

 

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 Reading between the lines I'm guessing you think you're a real man while others aren't. If that's the case what are the attributes you've got that make you a real man?

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 I think my SILs are real men too. 

 

Part of what makes us what we are, is the environment in which we are raised.  I was raised to believe hard work was a virtue. Suffering and discomfort were part of life. Sacrifice is important.

 

I never checked out of education, relationships nor work. 

 

I sure as hell didn't go years without sex in my 20s because I didn't know how to interact with females..

 

And I'm not really blaming young men. They didn't raise themselves, their parents did. Sorta like when I see a.fat teenager. Who's fault is that? They aren't doing the grocery shopping. 

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 Most of us over a certain age were brought up to just meet challenges head on and get on with it.  Nobody ran me to school in a car, or took me to where I wanted to go as a kid.  It was a case of here's the bus fare, off you go.    And we never had the kind of food on offer now.   My mum did all the cooking and we never went hungry but we were never fat either.

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 True, but women are thriving compared to the past.

This is impacting boys differently.

Which indirectly impacts women (unless you're a lesbian or a nun)..

Maddog wrote:

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I think we have broken a large number of young men in society. I don't think many even have a clue how to be a man anymore.  

 

Scott Galloway has been making the rounds lately, and of course Maher has been around for decades..

 

 

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 They talk sense.

After the breakdown in families, I would say the internet is definitely one of the main causes in the change of men...not always young ones either.

Women seem to have adapted better to modern life,  more are self reliant, and they have the choice when or if to have babies now.

If enough men feels redundant, or rejected (swipe left syndrome) so fill  their leisure time online, either playing games war or watching porn...no wonder  they are in crisis. 

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Maddog wrote:

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Then there is the above link.

Young men have lower overall levels of testosterone than their parents and grandparents..🤷

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 I think a lot of the rubbish that gets included in food production is the most likely explanation, odd that smoking increases (marginally) testosterone levels, but even then, less crap was put in cigarettes than today.

Sitting down more, tight underpants, emotionally feeling less manly cos women have more power, and plain old natural evolution could also come into play.

If the rabid nonbinary lot stick around for a few hundred thousand years....maybe they will eventually get their wish.

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 Obesity is probably the biggest cause amd many of the things you listed cause obesity (except tight underpants, which are a result of obesity)..

It's possible to raise your testosterone by hitting the gym and eating a lot of protein.  

Playing video games and eating ultra processed shit has the opposite effect. 

Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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I think we have broken a large number of young men in society. I don't think many even have a clue how to be a man anymore.  

 

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 Reading between the lines I'm guessing you think you're a real man while others aren't. If that's the case what are the attributes you've got that make you a real man?

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 I think my SILs are real men too. 

 

Part of what makes us what we are, is the environment in which we are raised.  I was raised to believe hard work was a virtue. Suffering and discomfort were part of life. Sacrifice is important.

 

I never checked out of education, relationships nor work. 

 

I sure as hell didn't go years without sex in my 20s because I didn't know how to interact with females..

 

And I'm not really blaming young men. They didn't raise themselves, their parents did. Sorta like when I see a.fat teenager. Who's fault is that? They aren't doing the grocery shopping. 

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 Most of us over a certain age were brought up to just meet challenges head on and get on with it.  Nobody ran me to school in a car, or took me to where I wanted to go as a kid.  It was a case of here's the bus fare, off you go.    And we never had the kind of food on offer now.   My mum did all the cooking and we never went hungry but we were never fat either.

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 True, but women are thriving compared to the past.

 

This is impacting boys differently.

 

Which indirectly impacts women (unless you're a lesbian or a nun)..

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 Do you mean that women have more voice and independence?   Yes, but it's been a long hard fight.  However,  I'm not too sure about women who try to think and behave like men in order to show the world how emancipated they are.   The "I don't need a man" brigade who eschew gallant male gestures like opening doors for them, think they can physically attack and hit men with impunity and generally behave in a laddish unfeminine way.  Women will never be physically equal to men.   And we think differently, and have different ways of processing emotions.  To try and reverse those roles just doesn't work and seems to have a detrimental effect on the way men interact with women who behave like this and it perhaps has a knock on effect with women generally.   A woman's power is her femininity.  Lose that, and you're just 'one of the lads' and will get treated accordingly.

Add to that the poison of social media, easy on line access to porn and the dark web to young minds and it's no wonder there's problems.

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 Yes, women have more voice and independence,  and that's a good thing. 

What's not is calling men being men, toxic..

Both genders need each other at the top of their game to have healthy relationships..

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I sure as hell didn't go years without sex in my 20s 

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 Does wanking count then?