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Digger · Admin

RE: Maddog's health, fitness and longevity thread..

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
You are the last person who should ever be suffering from OA....and yet you are.
osteoarthritis is different than osteoporosis.

I have some of the former in my right knee, but it's well under control and has no impact on my life.

One of the reasons I got serous about my health was I had severe knee pain a few years ago. That's gone..
Yes I know the differences, but you advocated weight training for both.
I do weights, just not heavy ones, and I would have had bad OA even if I had lifted much heavier weights, in fact it would have probably worsened quicker than it did.

As for push ups, like Digger, I could never do them either, even though I was (till fairly recently) very active. But sit us are a different matter....I can do hem for fun.

I can do sit ups. My core is really strong. Even all these years later I can do them.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
I don't think Digger or Syl seem like ladies who care about "conforming to society's standards" but I can't speak for them obvs. But they both sound rather physically fit to me! I'm younger but can't do many sit up's or kayaking and i'm a tad envious that Digs was a pro dancer. I think it's obvious both ladies have no issues with fitness but you seem to insist if they can't do "insert random example" then nope, you claim, their fitness is lacking. This may not be correct but if you excuse me it appears u just like a bit of harmless trolling ;-) Ditto with your stance on trump but he has gone too nuts for even you to defend now!

I'm not insisting on anything.

I do real estate..If I post something here in regards to this topic, it's well cited by folks who know far more than me.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Why would I want to build up my upper body? Just so I could do a push up? To prove I was fit? As for bone density, any percussive exercise will help this.
To be functionally strong. You may want to pick up something heavy.🤷

I really don't know what percussive exercise has to do with bone density. I know what strength training does for it though.

"Weight lifting, or strength training, can significantly improve and maintain bone density by stimulating bone-forming cells and increasing mechanical stress on bones, which can help offset age-related bone loss and reduce the risk of osteoporosis."

Sure, weight lifting does increase bone density but so do other things. Percussive exercise includes walking, dancing, skipping, anything that's weight bearing. You can simply carry items around in a carrier bag to get the same effect. A good friend of mine was told to do just that by her doctor in order to increase her bone density. It's all very well working out with weights but that doesn't necessarily make you fit I think you'd have to do a lot of cardio exercise as well to achieve that. An ex of mine had a body like Arnie, but he couldn't run up a flight of stairs without blowing like a whale.

Weight lifting is basically picking up heavy things and carrying them around.

Rucking with a weighted vest is similar.

But the point is, the more resistance (within reason) the better the results. Wouldn't you want the best results?.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Anonymous wrote:
I don't think Digger or Syl seem like ladies who care about "conforming to society's standards" but I can't speak for them obvs. But they both sound rather physically fit to me! I'm younger but can't do many sit up's or kayaking and i'm a tad envious that Digs was a pro dancer. I think it's obvious both ladies have no issues with fitness but you seem to insist if they can't do "insert random example" then nope, you claim, their fitness is lacking. This may not be correct but if you excuse me it appears u just like a bit of harmless trolling ;-) Ditto with your stance on trump but he has gone too nuts for even you to defend now!

You are right. Conforming to society's standards, especially in regards to beauty, is something that interests me not a jot....especially the 'beauty standards, that are in vogue now.

Obviously people should make efforts to be and keep fit, but I'm not a fan of the way of thinking, had you done this you wouldn't be suffering from that.

Some conditions are hereditary, or just bad luck, and all the weight training, exercising and watching everything you eat and drink, won't change that.

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Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I don't think Digger or Syl seem like ladies who care about "conforming to society's standards" but I can't speak for them obvs. But they both sound rather physically fit to me! I'm younger but can't do many sit up's or kayaking and i'm a tad envious that Digs was a pro dancer. I think it's obvious both ladies have no issues with fitness but you seem to insist if they can't do "insert random example" then nope, you claim, their fitness is lacking. This may not be correct but if you excuse me it appears u just like a bit of harmless trolling ;-) Ditto with your stance on trump but he has gone too nuts for even you to defend now!
You are right. Conforming to society's standards, especially in regards to beauty, is something that interests me not a jot....especially the 'beauty standards, that are in vogue now.
Obviously people should make efforts to be and keep fit, but I'm not a fan of the way of thinking, had you done this you wouldn't be suffering from that.
Some conditions are hereditary, or just bad luck, and all the weight training, exercising and watching everything you eat and drink, won't change that.

Of course it changes it. While it can't offset everything it makes things better. Who wouldn't want that?

Why do you think all of the experts tell you to do it regardless of your genetics.

Maddog · Go Outside

And, Syl, arent you somewhat interested in staying thin?

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Why would I want to build up my upper body? Just so I could do a push up? To prove I was fit? As for bone density, any percussive exercise will help this.
To be functionally strong. You may want to pick up something heavy.🤷

I really don't know what percussive exercise has to do with bone density. I know what strength training does for it though.

"Weight lifting, or strength training, can significantly improve and maintain bone density by stimulating bone-forming cells and increasing mechanical stress on bones, which can help offset age-related bone loss and reduce the risk of osteoporosis."

Sure, weight lifting does increase bone density but so do other things. Percussive exercise includes walking, dancing, skipping, anything that's weight bearing. You can simply carry items around in a carrier bag to get the same effect. A good friend of mine was told to do just that by her doctor in order to increase her bone density. It's all very well working out with weights but that doesn't necessarily make you fit I think you'd have to do a lot of cardio exercise as well to achieve that. An ex of mine had a body like Arnie, but he couldn't run up a flight of stairs without blowing like a whale.
Weight lifting is basically picking up heavy things and carrying them around.

Rucking with a weighted vest is similar.

But the point is, the more resistance (within reason) the better the results. Wouldn't you want the best results?.

You're making it sound as though weight lifting is the be all and end all of being fit. It's not.

Date: Apr 9 8:54 AM, 2025

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Why would I want to build up my upper body? Just so I could do a push up? To prove I was fit? As for bone density, any percussive exercise will help this.
To be functionally strong. You may want to pick up something heavy.🤷

I really don't know what percussive exercise has to do with bone density. I know what strength training does for it though.

"Weight lifting, or strength training, can significantly improve and maintain bone density by stimulating bone-forming cells and increasing mechanical stress on bones, which can help offset age-related bone loss and reduce the risk of osteoporosis."

Sure, weight lifting does increase bone density but so do other things. Percussive exercise includes walking, dancing, skipping, anything that's weight bearing. You can simply carry items around in a carrier bag to get the same effect. A good friend of mine was told to do just that by her doctor in order to increase her bone density. It's all very well working out with weights but that doesn't necessarily make you fit I think you'd have to do a lot of cardio exercise as well to achieve that. An ex of mine had a body like Arnie, but he couldn't run up a flight of stairs without blowing like a whale.
Weight lifting is basically picking up heavy things and carrying them around.

Rucking with a weighted vest is similar.

But the point is, the more resistance (within reason) the better the results. Wouldn't you want the best results?.
You're making it sound as though weight lifting is the be all and end all of being fit. It's not.

It's probably because he thinks other people should do what he does, and can't stop going on about it.

Vam · Getting Gobby

Isn’t stress supposed to be detrimental to health and wellbeing?

I’m always strangely drawn to this thread. But gotta say, reading all the things I’m supposed to be doing to stay healthy stresses me out! 😂

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of April 2025 11:34:57 AM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
And, Syl, arent you somewhat interested in staying thin?

I am not thin, I am size 14, which is considered huge by some. And I have never dieted in my life.

I have always eaten the foods I love, and I love salads, and what people refer to as a med diet, with a bit of variety thrown in...ie chocolate.

My mum was very slim, I think I have taken after in that I have never been overweight...more luck than design.

Date: Apr 9 12:49 PM, 2025

Vam wrote:
Isn’t stress supposed to be detrimental to health and wellbeing?
I’m always strangely drawn to this thread. But gotta say, reading all the things I’m supposed to be doing to stay healthy stresses me out! 😂

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of April 2025 11:34:57 AM

Me too. The stress is such that I reach for my ciggies and biscuits to calm myself down.

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
Isn’t stress supposed to be detrimental to health and wellbeing?
I’m always strangely drawn to this thread. But gotta say, reading all the things I’m supposed to be doing to stay healthy stresses me out! 😂

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of April 2025 11:34:57 AM

Why would it stress you out. Choose good foods, high in protein, healthy fats and fiber.

Go to the gym 3-4 times a week and lift weights.

Take a walk 4-5 times a week..

Enjoy the benefits of better health.

How is that difficult and/or stressful?

I was talking to my GF yesterday after she had a rough day. She has a client who has lost most of her sight from diabetes. She's overweight and gaining more weight and has also had a stroke. She can't go up stairs by herself anymore and she lives alone (this is a home health client). This client just wants to go to church, but she's in too poor of health to go. She was at a birthday party for a.grandchild last weekend but her kids wouldn't let her have cake (diabetes). But they keep bringing her other food way too high in carbs for a diabetic..

This woman is 67 and she is stressing the fuck out.

ALL of this was preventable..

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Why would I want to build up my upper body? Just so I could do a push up? To prove I was fit? As for bone density, any percussive exercise will help this.
To be functionally strong. You may want to pick up something heavy.🤷

I really don't know what percussive exercise has to do with bone density. I know what strength training does for it though.

"Weight lifting, or strength training, can significantly improve and maintain bone density by stimulating bone-forming cells and increasing mechanical stress on bones, which can help offset age-related bone loss and reduce the risk of osteoporosis."

Sure, weight lifting does increase bone density but so do other things. Percussive exercise includes walking, dancing, skipping, anything that's weight bearing. You can simply carry items around in a carrier bag to get the same effect. A good friend of mine was told to do just that by her doctor in order to increase her bone density. It's all very well working out with weights but that doesn't necessarily make you fit I think you'd have to do a lot of cardio exercise as well to achieve that. An ex of mine had a body like Arnie, but he couldn't run up a flight of stairs without blowing like a whale.
Weight lifting is basically picking up heavy things and carrying them around.

Rucking with a weighted vest is similar.

But the point is, the more resistance (within reason) the better the results. Wouldn't you want the best results?.
You're making it sound as though weight lifting is the be all and end all of being fit. It's not.

I'm posting links to experts that say that. Especially for women.

It literally is the most important form of exercise you can do for longevity.

I'm simply the messenger..

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Digger wrote:
Why would I want to build up my upper body? Just so I could do a push up? To prove I was fit? As for bone density, any percussive exercise will help this.
To be functionally strong. You may want to pick up something heavy.🤷

I really don't know what percussive exercise has to do with bone density. I know what strength training does for it though.

"Weight lifting, or strength training, can significantly improve and maintain bone density by stimulating bone-forming cells and increasing mechanical stress on bones, which can help offset age-related bone loss and reduce the risk of osteoporosis."

Sure, weight lifting does increase bone density but so do other things. Percussive exercise includes walking, dancing, skipping, anything that's weight bearing. You can simply carry items around in a carrier bag to get the same effect. A good friend of mine was told to do just that by her doctor in order to increase her bone density. It's all very well working out with weights but that doesn't necessarily make you fit I think you'd have to do a lot of cardio exercise as well to achieve that. An ex of mine had a body like Arnie, but he couldn't run up a flight of stairs without blowing like a whale.
Weight lifting is basically picking up heavy things and carrying them around.

Rucking with a weighted vest is similar.

But the point is, the more resistance (within reason) the better the results. Wouldn't you want the best results?.
You're making it sound as though weight lifting is the be all and end all of being fit. It's not.
It's probably because he thinks other people should do what he does, and can't stop going on about it.

I think people should follow the advice of people who's entire career is making people live longer, more productive lives.

Don't you?

Maddog · Go Outside

www.nia.nih.gov/news/how-can-strength-training-build-healthier-bodies-we-age

I'm wondering. Do people get mad or stressed when they read this?

Do they think it's bullshit?

Do they think I'm an ass for posting it on this thread?

Date: Apr 9 3:09 PM, 2025

Maddog wrote:
Vam wrote:
Isn’t stress supposed to be detrimental to health and wellbeing?
I’m always strangely drawn to this thread. But gotta say, reading all the things I’m supposed to be doing to stay healthy stresses me out! 😂

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of April 2025 11:34:57 AM
Why would it stress you out. Choose good foods, high in protein, healthy fats and fiber.

Go to the gym 3-4 times a week and lift weights.

Take a walk 4-5 times a week..

Enjoy the benefits of better health.

How is that difficult and/or stressful?

I was talking to my GF yesterday after she had a rough day. She has a client who has lost most of her sight from diabetes. She's overweight and gaining more weight and has also had a stroke. She can't go up stairs by herself anymore and she lives alone (this is a home health client). This client just wants to go to church, but she's in too poor of health to go. She was at a birthday party for a.grandchild last weekend but her kids wouldn't let her have cake (diabetes). But they keep bringing her other food way too high in carbs for a diabetic..

This woman is 67 and she is stressing the fuck out.

ALL of this was preventable..

If Type2.

Vam · Getting Gobby

@ Dawg - did you have a SOH bypass and fail to notice the laughing emoji in my post up there? Clue: I was kidding.

What I meant was, between you and Jack, all the dietary suggestions/supplements advice/exercise regime suggestions etc, sometimes make my head spin a little 😵‍💫

But I know for sure it’s all coming from a good place. And if even one person follows some of the suggestions in this thread, and starts to experience some positive results, then that can never be a bad thing. Job done!

So please don’t stop (or flounce ). Besides, I’d really miss you guys laying a guilt trip on me every time I read this thread.

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of April 2025 04:05:29 PM

Vam · Getting Gobby

Anonymous wrote:
Vam wrote:
Isn’t stress supposed to be detrimental to health and wellbeing?
I’m always strangely drawn to this thread. But gotta say, reading all the things I’m supposed to be doing to stay healthy stresses me out! 😂

-- Edited by Vam on Wednesday 9th of April 2025 11:34:57 AM
Me too. The stress is such that I reach for my ciggies and biscuits to calm myself down.

😂

Sssh! 🤐

Maddog · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
@ Dawg - did you have a SOH bypass and fail to notice the laughing emoji in my post up there? Clue: I was kidding.
What I meant was, between you and Jack, all the dietary suggestions/supplements advice/exercise regime suggestions etc, sometimes make my head spin a little 😵‍💫
But I know for sure it’s all coming from a good place. And if even one person follows some of the suggestions in this thread, and starts to experience some positive results, then that can never be a bad thing. Job done!
So please don’t stop (and flounce ). Besides, I’d really miss you guys laying a guilt trip on me every time I read this thread!

I can't speak for Jack. All I can say is what I say is very simple, and hardly cause for making one's head spin.

And you are correct. If anyone takes a proactive approach to their health and has a better life because of it, it's all good in the hood..

Because let's be honest. Poor health is stressful and depressing. Poor physical health is a leading contributor to poor mental health..