ChaoticMusings

Maddog wrote:

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www.nia.nih.gov/news/how-can-strength-training-build-healthier-bodies-we-age


I'm wondering. Do people get mad or stressed when they read this?

Do they think it's bullshit?

Do they think I'm an ass for posting it on this thread?

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 I should think the majority of people get neither mad nor stressed.

Personally, I don't read the majority of the vids on health, not because I think they are bullshit, but because I have my own little exercise plan which keeps me as mobile as I can be till I get my other knee done.

I don't think you are an ass...cant speak for anyone else. 

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Maddog wrote:

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www.nia.nih.gov/news/how-can-strength-training-build-healthier-bodies-we-age


I'm wondering. Do people get mad or stressed when they read this?

Do they think it's bullshit?

Do they think I'm an ass for posting it on this thread?

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 I should think the majority of people get neither mad nor stressed.

Personally, I don't read the majority of the vids on health, not because I think they are bullshit, but because I have my own little exercise plan which keeps me as mobile as I can be till I get my other knee done.

I don't think you are an ass...cant speak for anyone else. 

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 As long as you've done your own research, carry on. 

Maddog wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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 I think people should follow the advice of people who's entire career is making people live longer, more productive lives. 

 

Don't you?

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 No. I think people should act sensibly, and do what they feel comfortable doing.

I also think this all goes way beyond health advice, and is more a case of you wanting to be being overly argumentative, and to get the last word in to make yourself seem like a winner.

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 Isn't following the advice of health professionals sensible? 

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 Yes, but although you probably started this thread with good intentions, you've turned it into a six-month long lecture and you're repeating the same old stuff ad nauseam.

Maddog wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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 I think people should follow the advice of people who's entire career is making people live longer, more productive lives. 

 

Don't you?

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 No. I think people should act sensibly, and do what they feel comfortable doing.

I also think this all goes way beyond health advice, and is more a case of you wanting to be being overly argumentative, and to get the last word in to make yourself seem like a winner.

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 Isn't following the advice of health professionals sensible? 

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 Yes, but although you probably started this thread with good intentions, you've turned it into a six-month long lecture and you're repeating the same old stuff ad nauseam.

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 Well make up your mind.

 

One minute sensible is ignoring the evidence of health professionals and the reams of evidence, then the next is listening to them..

 

 

Here's some actual personal advice from me to you. Stop focusing on who delivers the information and start using it in your life to make it better.👍

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 As far as taking advice goes it's best to be selective and not do what every single health professional on the internet recommends, that way lies neurosis. But I'll take your personal advice and leave you to it.

Maddog wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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 Why would I want to build up my upper body?   Just so I could do a push up?   To prove I was fit?   As for bone density, any percussive exercise will help this.   

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 To be functionally strong. You may want to pick up something heavy.🤷

 

I really don't know what percussive exercise has to do with bone density. I know what strength training does for it though.

 

 

"Weight lifting, or strength training, can significantly improve and maintain bone density by stimulating bone-forming cells and increasing mechanical stress on bones, which can help offset age-related bone loss and reduce the risk of osteoporosis."

 

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 Sure, weight lifting does increase bone density but so do other things.   Percussive exercise includes walking, dancing, skipping, anything that's weight bearing.   You can simply carry items around in a carrier bag to get the same effect.  A good friend of mine was told to do just that by her doctor in order to increase her bone density.    It's all very well working out with weights but that doesn't necessarily make you fit  I think you'd have to do a lot of cardio exercise as well to achieve that.   An ex of mine had a body like Arnie, but he couldn't run up a flight of stairs without blowing like  a whale.  

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 Weight lifting is basically picking up heavy things and carrying them around. 

 

Rucking with a weighted vest is similar.

 

But the point is, the more resistance (within reason) the better the results. Wouldn't you want the best results?.

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 You're making it sound as though weight lifting is the be all and end all of being fit.  It's not.  

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 I'm posting links to experts that say that. Especially for women. 

 

It literally is the most important form of exercise you can do for longevity.

 

I'm simply the messenger..

 

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 There's always an 'expert'.  Butter kills you.  Butter is good for you.   Red meat gives you cancer.  Red meat is not cancer causing.   Here, take this drug, it's safe as houses.  What's it called?  Thalidomide.

“I refuse to spend my life worrying about what I eat. There’s no pleasure worth foregoing just for an extra three years in the geriatric ward.”

~ Sir John Mortimer

He was right, imv. My MO in life is: Be active enough to try and keep in shape and keep the heart pumping nicely. I eat most things in moderation, but I never deny myself a little of what I fancy.

I can never decide whether my body’s inability to metabolise alcohol is a good thing or a bad thing, though. I love wine/champagne, and I sometimes do wish I could get even half as trollied as some of my friends do. But one glass, and I’m done

Vam wrote:

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“I refuse to spend my life worrying about what I eat. There’s no pleasure worth foregoing just for an extra three years in the geriatric ward.”

~ Sir John Mortimer

He was right, imv. My MO in life is: Be active enough to try and keep in shape and keep the heart pumping nicely. I eat most things in moderation, but I never deny myself a little of what I fancy.

I can never decide whether my body’s inability to metabolise alcohol is a good thing or a bad thing, though. I love wine/champagne, and I sometimes do wish I could get even half as trollied as some of my friends do. But one glass, and I’m done

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 What if you could avoid those 3 years? 

This whole thread started with the concept of healthspan vs lifespan.

It's all about not wasting away because you didn't take care of yourself. 

Its about being able to pick up a child when you are 80, or working in the garden.

And I eat crap at times too. The point is balance, not  zealotry. 

But you need to have knowledge of what balances out those "fun" things.

My GF practices an 80-20 rule. Spend 80% of your time doing things that have been proven to improve your health, and 20 doing the fun things you know wont..

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Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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 Why would I want to build up my upper body?   Just so I could do a push up?   To prove I was fit?   As for bone density, any percussive exercise will help this.   

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 To be functionally strong. You may want to pick up something heavy.🤷

 

I really don't know what percussive exercise has to do with bone density. I know what strength training does for it though.

 

 

"Weight lifting, or strength training, can significantly improve and maintain bone density by stimulating bone-forming cells and increasing mechanical stress on bones, which can help offset age-related bone loss and reduce the risk of osteoporosis."

 

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 Sure, weight lifting does increase bone density but so do other things.   Percussive exercise includes walking, dancing, skipping, anything that's weight bearing.   You can simply carry items around in a carrier bag to get the same effect.  A good friend of mine was told to do just that by her doctor in order to increase her bone density.    It's all very well working out with weights but that doesn't necessarily make you fit  I think you'd have to do a lot of cardio exercise as well to achieve that.   An ex of mine had a body like Arnie, but he couldn't run up a flight of stairs without blowing like  a whale.  

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 Weight lifting is basically picking up heavy things and carrying them around. 

 

Rucking with a weighted vest is similar.

 

But the point is, the more resistance (within reason) the better the results. Wouldn't you want the best results?.

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 You're making it sound as though weight lifting is the be all and end all of being fit.  It's not.  

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 I'm posting links to experts that say that. Especially for women. 

 

It literally is the most important form of exercise you can do for longevity.

 

I'm simply the messenger..

 

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 There's always an 'expert'.  Butter kills you.  Butter is good for you.   Red meat gives you cancer.  Red meat is not cancer causing.   Here, take this drug, it's safe as houses.  What's it called?  Thalidomide.

 

 

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 Exactly. You can drive yourself batty following these so called experts…one week saying one thing, the next claiming the opposite. Hell, you can’t always get these so called experts to agree on the same thing. I do what works for me whether that’s food and/or exercise. My level of fitness and my general diet may not be everyone’s cup of tea but it works for me.

 

 

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 There's always data. 

We have a good idea of what is healthy.

Find me some data that suggests exercise isn't good for you, and I'll look at it..

In fact, find anything that refutes anything I have presented and I'll look at it.

That's a far better response than just saying you don't like what the evidence says because it challenges your life choices.

Here's the general consensus on here. 

"I don't like lifting weights, its dumb"

"I don't do things I don't want to to do"

"Lifting weights is dumb, or ineffective, or silly no matter what anyone says, because I don't want to do it" 

Maddog wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Digger wrote:

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There's always an 'expert'.  Butter kills you.  Butter is good for you.   Red meat gives you cancer.  Red meat is not cancer causing.   Here, take this drug, it's safe as houses.  What's it called?  Thalidomide. 

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 Exactly. You can drive yourself batty following these so called experts…one week saying one thing, the next claiming the opposite. Hell, you can’t always get these so called experts to agree on the same thing. I do what works for me whether that’s food and/or exercise. My level of fitness and my general diet may not be everyone’s cup of tea but it works for me.

 

 

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 There's always data. 

 

We have a good idea of what is healthy.

 

Find me some data that suggests exercise isn't good for you, and I'll look at it..

 

 

In fact, find anything that refutes anything I have presented and I'll look at it.

 

That's a far better response than just saying you don't like what the evidence says because it challenges your life choices.

 

Here's the general consensus on here. 

 

"I don't like lifting weights, its dumb"

 

"I don't do things I don't want to to do"

 

"Lifting weights is dumb, or ineffective, or silly no matter what anyone says, because I don't want to do it" 

 

 

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  Not sure why you’re getting in a strop. So you exercise, good for you.  I don’t need to watch or read endless vids/articles on the benefits of exercise/diet…just as no one has to tell me not to put my hand in the fire because it’ll burn.

Not watching your vid links or not hanging onto every word a so called expert claims doesn’t mean folks are ignorant re health issues. 

Like I said my level of fitness and my general diet may not be everyone’s cup of tea but it works for me. My life, my choice…as simple as that.