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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Who is it then?

Eddie Murphy.

Date: Mar 22 8:09 PM, 2025

They should of learnt from the backlash after The Little Mermaid. There was a very telling clip on You Tube where an African American little girl was excited to see her favourite cartoon made into a film but when she saw Ariel her face was just confused. "Ariel has red hair," she told her mother" that's not Ariel. She's white!" If children of other ethnicities have no problem with their favourite Disney characters being white why do Disney?? I agree there should be ethnic diversity in modern films and drama for both children and adults but changing old classics to suit a woke agenda won't enrich a film. That little girl saw Ariel was white in the orignal and it didn't diminish her at all. because unlike the pearl clutchers she was seeing a character , not colour.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Who is it then?
Eddie Murphy.

Oh right. That's what Digger meant. Yes nothing said about that eh?

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Anonymous wrote:
They should of learnt from the backlash after The Little Mermaid. There was a very telling clip on You Tube where an African American little girl was excited to see her favourite cartoon made into a film but when she saw Ariel her face was just confused. "Ariel has red hair," she told her mother" that's not Ariel. She's white!" If children of other ethnicities have no problem with their favourite Disney characters being white why do Disney?? I agree there should be ethnic diversity in modern films and drama for both children and adults but changing old classics to suit a woke agenda won't enrich a film. That little girl saw Ariel was white in the orignal and it didn't diminish her at all. because unlike the pearl clutchers she was seeing a character , not colour.

To be fair Ariel was half fish so the colour of her top half could be up for artistic re-interpretation.

Also, the fact that a half Colombian / half Polish actress isn't white enough to play Snow White is more than a little funny. I thought we were supposed to be colour blind these days after Woke got comprehensively defeated in recent years anyway or was representation always important to begin with?

Digger · Admin

When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.

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Date: Mar 23 6:31 PM, 2025

Digger wrote:
When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.

Imagine the outcry if a white actor portrayed Martin Luther King or Nelson Mandela.

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:

To be fair Ariel was half fish so the colour of her top half could be up for artistic re-interpretation.
Also, the fact that a half Colombian / half Polish actress isn't white enough to play Snow White is more than a little funny. I thought we were supposed to be colour blind these days after Woke got comprehensively defeated in recent years anyway or was representation always important to begin with?

There are so many roles where race doesn't matter, but it's pretty dumb to reverse a role when it's race specific just to be 'inclusive'.

I would say that in the case of Snow White, where the original story says 'she has skin as white as snow' that a pale skinned actress should play the part.

It's like having a characeter called Ebony Black 'so called because her skin was as black as the night' and getting Meryl Streep to play her.

Magica · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.

I love Anne Boleyn, this is bloody insulting!

Date: Mar 24 7:33 AM, 2025

Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.
I love Anne Boleyn, this is bloody insulting!

You're both missing the point - the casting wasn't done to portray historical accuracy. When it comes to artistic licence things are not always what they appear to be.

Magica · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.
I love Anne Boleyn, this is bloody insulting!
You're both missing the point - the casting wasn't done to portray historical accuracy. When it comes to artistic licence things are not always what they appear to be.

Can't wait for a white Zulu or Martin Luther King!

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Anonymous wrote:

You're both missing the point - the casting wasn't done to portray historical accuracy. When it comes to artistic licence things are not always what they appear to be.

You might be able to get away with 'artistic licence' in an indie arthouse movie with an audience full of pretentious luvvies, but it's an insult to the general public to reverse race specific roles in blockbuster movies and TV shows.

Not only does this Zegler woman not have snow white skin, but she looks far from the innocent that Snow White was portrayed as in the original. She looks more suited to playing a 'ho' in a gangsta rap video.

I hope the Snow White dress is big enough to keep all of her tattoos covered up.

Maddog · Go Outside

www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2025/03/24/yes-snow-white-is-bombing-at-the-box-office/

It's bombing..

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Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Red Okktober wrote:
Barksdale wrote:

To be fair Ariel was half fish so the colour of her top half could be up for artistic re-interpretation.
Also, the fact that a half Colombian / half Polish actress isn't white enough to play Snow White is more than a little funny. I thought we were supposed to be colour blind these days after Woke got comprehensively defeated in recent years anyway or was representation always important to begin with?
There are so many roles where race doesn't matter, but it's pretty dumb to reverse a role when it's race specific just to be 'inclusive'.
I would say that in the case of Snow White, where the original story says 'she has skin as white as snow' that a pale skinned actress should play the part.
It's like having a characeter called Ebony Black 'so called because her skin was as black as the night' and getting Meryl Streep to play her.

Calm down mate. It's a fairytale where the central female character is a woman living in questionable circumstances in the woods with 7 little guys, where her stepmother is a psycho who thinks her mirror is talking to her. Factual accuracy doesn't seem that high up on the list of requirements.

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.
I love Anne Boleyn, this is bloody insulting!
You're both missing the point - the casting wasn't done to portray historical accuracy. When it comes to artistic licence things are not always what they appear to be.

I think the context matters. If it's a biographical account the obviously the casting wouldn't work.

However, if it's an adaptation or drama it could actually add a different perspective the viewer may not have considered before on Anne Boleyn's life and struggles and enhance the story. The main issue wouldn't be the race of the actor but rather the biological sex - that was the principal hurdle she had to overcome.

FWIW, I would certainly watch a film based of say the life of MLK where the actor was white (and didn't black up because that is just cringeworthy) if it added something to his story which I hadn't considered before. Hard to see how that could work though as his race is pivotal to his particular life.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.
I love Anne Boleyn, this is bloody insulting!
You're both missing the point - the casting wasn't done to portray historical accuracy. When it comes to artistic licence things are not always what they appear to be.

We know that. And it makes it all the more idiotic and insulting. Because you don't see biopics about leading black historical figures played by white people. Ever.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Barksdale wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
When it comes to fictional characters in movies I don't think it matters what colour they are. But when they piss around with history it gets my goat.
I love Anne Boleyn, this is bloody insulting!
You're both missing the point - the casting wasn't done to portray historical accuracy. When it comes to artistic licence things are not always what they appear to be.
I think the context matters. If it's a biographical account the obviously the casting wouldn't work.
However, if it's an adaptation or drama it could actually add a different perspective the viewer may not have considered before on Anne Boleyn's life and struggles and enhance the story. The main issue wouldn't be the race of the actor but rather the biological sex - that was the principal hurdle she had to overcome.
FWIW, I would certainly watch a film based of say the life of MLK where the actor was white (and didn't black up because that is just cringeworthy) if it added something to his story which I hadn't considered before. Hard to see how that could work though as his race is pivotal to his particular life.

It's impossible to add anything to MLK's story by having a white actor play him....obviously his struggle was in part because he was NOT white.

But swapping and changing an actual persons colour 'for artistic licence' is as ridiculous as having a male play a historic female character.

Come on Barksdale, you can be still be open minded and 'down with the kids' without resorting to silliness.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

To add....

The fictional character James Bond, Ian Fleming described Bond as Scottish, white, tall, blue eyed, black hair, and having the facial features resembling American singer and actor Hoagy Carmichael.
Having said that, I was hoping that the next Bond would be played by Idris Elba, he would have made a great Bond. Sadly he is getting a bit old for the part now...though 'artistic licence' could be bent this way too.

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:

Calm down mate. It's a fairytale where the central female character is a woman living in questionable circumstances in the woods with 7 little guys, where her stepmother is a psycho who thinks her mirror is talking to her. Factual accuracy doesn't seem that high up on the list of requirements.

I would say with historical characters it's an absolute no-no to change the race (or sex) for film or TV. Fictional characters, not so much, unless race is specified and is an important part of that character, and I would say being called Snow White (the clue's in the name) makes it very much specified. If I were casting, I wouldn't just be looking for a white actress but a very pale one - maybe someone with Tilda Swinton's colouring, but younger and prettier.

The Brothers Grimm described SW as 'Skin white as snow, lips red as blood, and hair black as ebony' - that's quite a specific colour combo and gives her a unique look, and I don't think it should be disregarded in the remake

I've nothing against Zegler - the link Maddog put up says she's going to play Eva Peron next - a role she is far more suited to imo - good luck to her! But Snow White, nah!