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Magica · Go Outside

Adolescence

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I have cancelled Netflix as of today, I never watched it.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I have cancelled Netflix as of today, I never watched it.

Aww shame, you missed a great series.

Digger · Admin

Magica wrote:
Anyone seen this brilliant series on.Netflix.
About a 13 yr old named Jamie Miller accused of murdering a class mate.
I don't want to say any more, and give this outstanding story away.
The acting by all the cast was outstanding!
The acting by 15 yr old Owen Cooper, playing the part of Jamie. He so realistic he drew you straight in. Brilliant young and up and coming actor.
His dad Eddie, played by Stephen Graham was so intense, you felt his pain. Brilliant actor. Both Oscar winning acting in my view.
Outstanding story, thoroughly entertaining, almost factual!

Funny how diversity isn't showing much here for the lead role. I wonder why?

Magica · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anyone seen this brilliant series on.Netflix.
About a 13 yr old named Jamie Miller accused of murdering a class mate.
I don't want to say any more, and give this outstanding story away.
The acting by all the cast was outstanding!
The acting by 15 yr old Owen Cooper, playing the part of Jamie. He so realistic he drew you straight in. Brilliant young and up and coming actor.
His dad Eddie, played by Stephen Graham was so intense, you felt his pain. Brilliant actor. Both Oscar winning acting in my view.
Outstanding story, thoroughly entertaining, almost factual!
Funny how diversity isn't showing much here for the lead role. I wonder why?

Whats wrong with him being white!

-- Edited by Magica on Tuesday 18th of March 2025 02:21:35 AM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Sods law that I just cancelled Netflix, I didn't see anything worth watching for ages, and now this comes.
Adolescence was Stephen Grahams idea, and he co wrote it...I will wait for it to come to Channel 4 or somewhere.

Date: Mar 18 12:10 PM, 2025

It sounds brilliant but I missed it, I rarely watch Netflix as there is just too much choice! I get bamboozled after half an hour of trying to decide what to choose and we just end up watching the News! Squid Game was utterly compelling and such an original concept but I think everyone saw that. I did see "Candy, A Death in Texas" on channel 4 which was based on a real life murder case in suburban America. Jessica Biel was surprisingly convincing as the sociopathic murderer who( wrongly) got aquitted.

Vam · Getting Gobby

I checked out the trailer on YouTube - seems a bit dark and chilling.

But I’ve always liked anything the actor Stephen Graham’s been in, so will definitely watch this. Thanks, Mags!

Magica · Go Outside

Vam wrote:
I checked out the trailer on YouTube - seems a bit dark and chilling.
But I’ve always liked anything the actor Stephen Graham’s been in, so will definitely watch this. Thanks, Mags!

You won't be sorry Vam. I told my daughter to watch it, she loved it. Albeit found the boy

abit scary.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Sods law that I just cancelled Netflix, I didn't see anything worth watching for ages, and now this comes.
Adolescence was Stephen Grahams idea, and he co wrote it...I will wait for it to come to Channel 4 or somewhere.

Shame Syl, it would be right up your alley x

Digger · Admin

Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anyone seen this brilliant series on.Netflix.
About a 13 yr old named Jamie Miller accused of murdering a class mate.
I don't want to say any more, and give this outstanding story away.
The acting by all the cast was outstanding!
The acting by 15 yr old Owen Cooper, playing the part of Jamie. He so realistic he drew you straight in. Brilliant young and up and coming actor.
His dad Eddie, played by Stephen Graham was so intense, you felt his pain. Brilliant actor. Both Oscar winning acting in my view.
Outstanding story, thoroughly entertaining, almost factual!
Funny how diversity isn't showing much here for the lead role. I wonder why?
Whats wrong with him being white!

-- Edited by Magica on Tuesday 18th of March 2025 02:21:35 AM

Haven't you noticed that all the baddies on TV are white now? I also get sick of seeing the British perpetually portrayed as snobby, idiotic morons in movies. It's OK though to racially stereotype us.

"Eternals" actor Kumail Nanjiani spoke about the preference in an interview with Esquire UK this week.

“I want to play more bad guys," said Nanjiani, a Pakistani-American. “I was told that’s going to be hard because people don’t want to cast non-white people as bad guys.”

Nanjiani calls the intention to cast only whites as bad "good," but complains it creates a disadvantage for brown people like himself.

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Magica wrote:
Anyone seen this brilliant series on.Netflix.

Finished watching it yesterday and thought it was outstanding.

It explored so many important social themes and although I don't have a son if I did I would have held him a little closer after watching it. That final scene in Episode 4

I don't know if you've watched a 1,000 blows on Disney+ but it has Stephen Graham in it along with Erin Doherty (who plays the child psychologist in Episode 3 of Adolescence.) That was excellent as well.

Magica · Go Outside

Barksdale wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anyone seen this brilliant series on.Netflix.
Finished watching it yesterday and thought it was outstanding.
It explored so many important social themes and although I don't have a son if I did I would have held him a little closer after watching it. That final scene in Episode 4
I don't know if you've watched a 1,000 blows on Disney+ but it has Stephen Graham in it along with Erin Doherty (who plays the child psychologist in Episode 3 of Adolescence.) That was excellent as well.

Yes Episode 4 ending gave me a.lump in.my throat. I felt his pain, heart wrenching.

Magica · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anyone seen this brilliant series on.Netflix.
About a 13 yr old named Jamie Miller accused of murdering a class mate.
I don't want to say any more, and give this outstanding story away.
The acting by all the cast was outstanding!
The acting by 15 yr old Owen Cooper, playing the part of Jamie. He so realistic he drew you straight in. Brilliant young and up and coming actor.
His dad Eddie, played by Stephen Graham was so intense, you felt his pain. Brilliant actor. Both Oscar winning acting in my view.
Outstanding story, thoroughly entertaining, almost factual!
Funny how diversity isn't showing much here for the lead role. I wonder why?
Whats wrong with him being white!

-- Edited by Magica on Tuesday 18th of March 2025 02:21:35 AM
Haven't you noticed that all the baddies on TV are white now? I also get sick of seeing the British perpetually portrayed as snobby, idiotic morons in movies. It's OK though to racially stereotype us.

"Eternals" actor Kumail Nanjiani spoke about the preference in an interview with Esquire UK this week.
“I want to play more bad guys," said Nanjiani, a Pakistani-American. “I was told that’s going to be hard because people don’t want to cast non-white people as bad guys.”
Nanjiani calls the intention to cast only whites as bad "good," but complains it creates a disadvantage for brown people like himself.

Oh I agree. Woke are too scared to have a black or Indian baddie, but it's fair game.on whites.

Yes we are stereotyped as well. Can't do that to non whites either.

Digger · Admin

Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Anyone seen this brilliant series on.Netflix.
About a 13 yr old named Jamie Miller accused of murdering a class mate.
I don't want to say any more, and give this outstanding story away.
The acting by all the cast was outstanding!
The acting by 15 yr old Owen Cooper, playing the part of Jamie. He so realistic he drew you straight in. Brilliant young and up and coming actor.
His dad Eddie, played by Stephen Graham was so intense, you felt his pain. Brilliant actor. Both Oscar winning acting in my view.
Outstanding story, thoroughly entertaining, almost factual!
Funny how diversity isn't showing much here for the lead role. I wonder why?
Whats wrong with him being white!

-- Edited by Magica on Tuesday 18th of March 2025 02:21:35 AM
Haven't you noticed that all the baddies on TV are white now? I also get sick of seeing the British perpetually portrayed as snobby, idiotic morons in movies. It's OK though to racially stereotype us.

"Eternals" actor Kumail Nanjiani spoke about the preference in an interview with Esquire UK this week.
“I want to play more bad guys," said Nanjiani, a Pakistani-American. “I was told that’s going to be hard because people don’t want to cast non-white people as bad guys.”
Nanjiani calls the intention to cast only whites as bad "good," but complains it creates a disadvantage for brown people like himself.
Oh I agree. Woke are too scared to have a black or Indian baddie, but it's fair game.on whites.
Yes we are stereotyped as well. Can't do that to non whites either.

I'm still waiting to see if they dare do a drama about the Pakistani rape gangs.

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Digger wrote:

I'm still waiting to see if they dare do a drama about the Pakistani rape gangs.

Unlikely I would have thought.

There are claims in the film industry, both here and in Hollywood, that there aren't enough roles for black actors, and while the role in Adolescence wasn't race specific, as a truer reflection on society, it could have given a young black actor the opportunity to make a name for himself, but I guess the producer wasn't brave enough. Too risky in the current woke climate.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

The TV drama 'Three girls' was about the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, it concentrated on a small area though in Rochdale, the scale of the grooming and rapes throughout the country were not really highlighted.
As the credits rolled, a list of all the towns and cities where these gangs operated, were charged, and found guilty came up.
Since the list was compiled eight years ago, many more gangs have been uncovered in various other places across the UK.

SKIPTON
ROTHERHAM
SHEFFIELD
BLACKPOOL
OXFORD
HALIFAX
BRADFORD
IPSWICH
LONDON
TELFORD
PRESTON
DERBY
TORBAY
BRISTOL
BANBURY
CHESHAM
BARKING
BIRMINGHAM
BLACKBURN
ROCHDALE
LEEDS
STOCKPORT
AYLESBURY
YEOVIL
NEWCASTLE
BURTON
ACCRINGTON
ORMSKIRK
KEIGHLEY
MANCHESTER
OLDHAM
PETERBOROUGH
DEWSBURY
LITTLEHAMPTON
MIDDLESBOROUGH
SLOUGH.

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

The BBC did a 3 part drama about the grooming gangs scandal several years ago called "Three Girls." Should still be on I-Player and I believe the lead actress won a BAFTA for her performance.

With regard to Adolescence if it had been set in London there may have been more of an argument that the perpetrator should be black as the stats are roughly 50 / 50 black vs non black. However the last set of MoJ figures for the rest of the country showed a 75 / 25 white vs non white offending rate IIRC.

Also, it's not like there is any shortage of shows where the perpetrators are black (there's a clue in my username for example) and the most notable one of recent times is probably Top Boy. The new season of a show I really like - Gangs of London - starts tomorrow and there's no shortage of different ethnicities behaving badly in it.

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Syl wrote:
The TV drama 'Three girls' was about the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, it concentrated on a small area though in Rochdale, the scale of the grooming and rapes throughout the country were not really highlighted.
As the credits rolled, a list of all the towns and cities where these gangs operated, were charged, and found guilty came up.
Since the list was compiled eight years ago, many more gangs have been uncovered in various other places across the UK.

SKIPTON
ROTHERHAM
SHEFFIELD
BLACKPOOL
OXFORD
HALIFAX
BRADFORD
IPSWICH
LONDON
TELFORD
PRESTON
DERBY
TORBAY
BRISTOL
BANBURY
CHESHAM
BARKING
BIRMINGHAM
BLACKBURN
ROCHDALE
LEEDS
STOCKPORT
AYLESBURY
YEOVIL
NEWCASTLE
BURTON
ACCRINGTON
ORMSKIRK
KEIGHLEY
MANCHESTER
OLDHAM
PETERBOROUGH
DEWSBURY
LITTLEHAMPTON
MIDDLESBOROUGH
SLOUGH.

You beat me too it I see!

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:
The BBC did a 3 part drama about the grooming gangs scandal several years ago called "Three Girls." Should still be on I-Player and I believe the lead actress won a BAFTA for her performance.
With regard to Adolescence if it had been set in London there may have been more of an argument that the perpetrator should be black as the stats are roughly 50 / 50 black vs non black. However the last set of MoJ figures for the rest of the country showed a 75 / 25 white vs non white offending rate IIRC.
Also, it's not like there is any shortage of shows where the perpetrators are black (there's a clue in my username for example) and the most notable one of recent times is probably Top Boy. The new season of a show I really like - Gangs of London - starts tomorrow and there's no shortage of different ethnicities behaving badly in it.

I'll have to take a look at Three Girls - I'm surprised that the BBC had the balls to do it given their reluctance to report race/religion in many instances. Was it watered down in any way in terms of the background of the perps, or did they it make it clear that it was a cultural/racial issue?

I just found this - I'm not sure how reliable the source is but it says this:

"13% of the population, black Londoners make up 61% of knife murderers, 53% of those involved in knife crime, and 45% of knife murder victims."

So while your stats may be correct, they don't show the disproprotionate representation of black youths involvement in knife crime.

There was a special police unit set up in the late 90s - Operation Trident - which dealt specifically with black on black crime, as it was so prevalent. That involved shootings as well as stabbings, and mainly dealt with drug turf wars and Yardies.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/commentary/knife-crime-a-black-not-white-issue/