ChaoticMusings

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Do you believe any type of life exists after death?

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Yes. Because that’s what I want to believe.

It‘s just my way of sensing that any person (or any pet) that I have loved and lost, has never really left me.

Batshit thinking? Maybe so. But as long as I’m not foisting my beliefs onto others - no harm, no foul 🤷🏻‍♀️

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Life? Yes. Consciousness? No.

I think our energy becomes one with the universe and never ends but we have no conscious understanding of it. No one ever "dies."

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Vam wrote:
Yes. Because that’s what I want to believe.
It‘s just my way of sensing that any person (or any pet) that I have loved and lost, has never really left me.
Batshit thinking? Maybe so. But as long as I’m not foisting my beliefs onto others - no harm, no foul 🤷🏻‍♀️

That's what I want to think too. I would love to believe I could see much loved pets again but science dictates it's a naive notion. Certainly not batshit though..!

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I agree with Vam....but it's probably wishful thinking.
People definitely live on in the memories and thoughts of their loved ones....but realistically, I guess that's the only way.
I would be happy to be wrong though.

Date: Jul 7 6:06 PM, 2025

Barksdale wrote:
Life? Yes. Consciousness? No.
I think our energy becomes one with the universe and never ends but we have no conscious understanding of it. No one ever "dies."

Interesting thought, but one that raises the question of whether consciousness can exist independently of a material body. Presumably your own thought on that is driven by the spirit of the age, which puts matter at the heart of everything. But if you step back from that, it becomes no more likely that consciousness is a product of chemical activity in the brain than it is that the interplay of electrons is caused by mental life within them.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:
Life? Yes. Consciousness? No.
I think our energy becomes one with the universe and never ends but we have no conscious understanding of it. No one ever "dies."

Sadly I believe you are right but that's a lovely description of passing away. I take it you don't put much stock in the simulation theory?

Date: Jul 7 6:48 PM, 2025

I tend to believe there is something after death. I take great comfort in thinking my departed loved ones are still around me in one form or another.

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Fluffy wrote:
Vam wrote:
Yes. Because that’s what I want to believe.
It‘s just my way of sensing that any person (or any pet) that I have loved and lost, has never really left me.
Batshit thinking? Maybe so. But as long as I’m not foisting my beliefs onto others - no harm, no foul 🤷🏻‍♀️
That's what I want to think too. I would love to believe I could see much loved pets again but science dictates it's a naive notion. Certainly not batshit though..!

My Catholic schooling, with nuns constantly promising eternal life, and eternal damnation if I misplaced a comma in my essays 🤣 - all played a part, too. I’m lapsed these days, but old habits sometimes die hard (no pun intended!).

But when your snoring dog is sprawled belly-up on the couch, then very suddenly flips back over and leaps onto the floor, then sits ramrod straight, ears in fully-pricked radar mode, intently staring for ages at…..absolutely nothing. Those are the moments when we can’t help wondering whether an energy/vibe/essence exists, that is beyond human detection.

Vam · Musing at the Chaos

Anonymous wrote:
I tend to believe there is something after death. I take great comfort in thinking my departed loved ones are still around me in one form or another.

👍🏻

I hope they are 😊

Magica · Go Outside

I believe in life after death. In my thinking, there is no death, just transitioning into spirit. We leave our overcoat (bodies) and carry on.

We meet our loved ones, anyone we want. We can stay there or reincarnate. Although can only be reincarnated if you haven't learned the lesson you were sent back to achieve.

We have all been here before, we just keep on evolving. 😇

Date: Jul 7 7:48 PM, 2025

Vam wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Vam wrote:
Yes. Because that’s what I want to believe.
It‘s just my way of sensing that any person (or any pet) that I have loved and lost, has never really left me.
Batshit thinking? Maybe so. But as long as I’m not foisting my beliefs onto others - no harm, no foul 🤷🏻‍♀️
That's what I want to think too. I would love to believe I could see much loved pets again but science dictates it's a naive notion. Certainly not batshit though..!
My Catholic schooling, with nuns constantly promising eternal life, and eternal damnation if I misplaced a comma in my essays 🤣 - all played a part, too. I’m lapsed these days, but old habits sometimes die hard (no pun intended!).
But when your snoring dog is sprawled belly-up on the couch, then very suddenly flips back over and leaps onto the floor, then sits ramrod straight, ears in fully-pricked radar mode, intently staring for ages at…..absolutely nothing. Those are the moments when we can’t help wondering whether an energy/vibe/essence exists, that is beyond human detection.

And children I believe are tuned in. Just my opinion of course

Barksdale · Getting Gobby

Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Life? Yes. Consciousness? No.
I think our energy becomes one with the universe and never ends but we have no conscious understanding of it. No one ever "dies."
Sadly I believe you are right but that's a lovely description of passing away. I take it you don't put much stock in the simulation theory?

I think the simulation theory of existence is plausible.

There is increasing evidence to show that we may not have free will at all or if we do it is severely limited. That being the case it lead us to think that someone, or something else, may be doing so.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

This thread is too deep for me now.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
This thread is too deep for me now.

I think for some it's hard to grasp. I know we move on, I have no fear of death.

It's just like another dimension. Spirit is all around us.

Date: Jul 8 9:13 AM, 2025

Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Life? Yes. Consciousness? No.
I think our energy becomes one with the universe and never ends but we have no conscious understanding of it. No one ever "dies."
Sadly I believe you are right but that's a lovely description of passing away. I take it you don't put much stock in the simulation theory?
I think the simulation theory of existence is plausible.
There is increasing evidence to show that we may not have free will at all or if we do it is severely limited. That being the case it lead us to think that someone, or something else, may be doing so.

If our free will is limited it could also be because we are predisposed to act or think in a particular way - which might suggest our freedom of choice is limited by our own personal characteristics rather than by a mad scientist plugging thoughts into our heads (which I think is what the simulation theory is?)

On top of that - (or maybe it's the same thing expressed differently) - although we like to think that we're in control of what we think or do, our unconscious minds have a strong driving force over our behaviour, so that a lot of our apparent choices happen automatically with no or very little conscious control.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Vam wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Vam wrote:
Yes. Because that’s what I want to believe.
It‘s just my way of sensing that any person (or any pet) that I have loved and lost, has never really left me.
Batshit thinking? Maybe so. But as long as I’m not foisting my beliefs onto others - no harm, no foul 🤷🏻‍♀️
That's what I want to think too. I would love to believe I could see much loved pets again but science dictates it's a naive notion. Certainly not batshit though..!
My Catholic schooling, with nuns constantly promising eternal life, and eternal damnation if I misplaced a comma in my essays 🤣 - all played a part, too. I’m lapsed these days, but old habits sometimes die hard (no pun intended!).
But when your snoring dog is sprawled belly-up on the couch, then very suddenly flips back over and leaps onto the floor, then sits ramrod straight, ears in fully-pricked radar mode, intently staring for ages at…..absolutely nothing. Those are the moments when we can’t help wondering whether an energy/vibe/essence exists, that is beyond human detection.

This sort of thing is exactly what makes me wonder. Animals can sense so much more than us, dogs can smell when their owner is unwell with something as serious as cancer. Who knows what else they can sense? When cats stare in the distance with such intensity and you cannot distract them I wonder what they are seeing that we are not.

I have had one thing happen to me that I cannot explain but it's not at all mystical or even interesting! But still, it cannot be explained. Maybe I'm grasping at straws or assuming significance where there is none. Most people attribute the beginning of life to the Big Bang. But what caused that to happen and what occurred before that? I don't feel science explains enough.

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Syl wrote:
This thread is too deep for me now.

Sorry , I just find this sort of thing so interesting. I attempted to watch advanced scientific YouTube videos on the subject, thinking they may be a bit challenging but I would learn a lot.

Didn't understand a word they were saying!

Fluffy · Getting Gobby

Barksdale wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Barksdale wrote:
Life? Yes. Consciousness? No.
I think our energy becomes one with the universe and never ends but we have no conscious understanding of it. No one ever "dies."
Sadly I believe you are right but that's a lovely description of passing away. I take it you don't put much stock in the simulation theory?
I think the simulation theory of existence is plausible.
There is increasing evidence to show that we may not have free will at all or if we do it is severely limited. That being the case it lead us to think that someone, or something else, may be doing so.

I am hoping you can elaborate on the implications of the observer effect which is highlighted strongly in the "double slit" experiment . Metaphysics is not my strong point which I'm sure surprises you greatly (!) but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.

But on the flip side at last it is evidence that SOMETHING is going on behind the cosmic scenes that the nay sayers have to consider.

Date: Jul 8 10:47 AM, 2025

Fluffy wrote:
but electrons changing their behaviour when observed means that particles ,the very building blocks of life, do not behave the way they should. This definitely supports the idea of a simulation , which tbh I think is a rather dismal prospect.
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Sorry to butt in on your conversation, but it's probably not so much a case of particles not behaving 'the way they should', but more a case of our lack of understanding of what they're up to. Probably not surprising as the quantum world behaves differently from the world we're used to.