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Magica · Go Outside

Lenny Henry

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I want to be compensated as a white woman, who like all women was thought of as a second class citizen in my own country... for generations.
Doubt I will be though.

Maybe him and his gobby ex should concentrate on comedy and leave more important topics alone.

Have to say though, I have always liked Lenny Henry, he is a good actor as well as a comedian, and he has almost broken his back for charitable causes.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I want to be compensated as a white woman, who like all women was thought of as a second class citizen in my own country... for generations.
Doubt I will be though.

Maybe him and his gobby ex should concentrate on comedy and leave more important topics alone.

Have to say though, I have always liked Lenny Henry, he is a good actor as well as a comedian, and he has almost broken his back for charitable causes.

I agree us women need compensation

Never like him, big mouth. Should have broke his mouth, then we won't be subjected to those monkey squeals he loves to do

Maddog · Go Outside

Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..

Magica · Go Outside

Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..

Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.

Maddog · Go Outside

Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..
Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.

You should also cut some checks for Indians and aborigines the world over. 😉

Magica · Go Outside

Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..
Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.
You should also cut some checks for Indians and aborigines the world over. 😉

Yep we have a lot to answer for as white people.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Our ancestors did. Personally I feel no guilt for the actions of others.

Maddog · Go Outside

Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..
Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.
You should also cut some checks for Indians and aborigines the world over. 😉
Yep we have a lot to answer for as white people.

I'm like .6% Indian from India.

Do you want to send my money through venmo or zelle?

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

Henry says that "all black British people... need reparations for slavery," adding that "we personally deserve money for the effects of slavery".

Given that reparations can take the form of a formal apology instead of cash, he seems to have £ signs in his eyes by asking for the money instead

Even a formal apology isn't required though, let alone giving away 18 trillion quid. Presumably he expects the bill to be footed my modern day white taxpayers, who he is somehow holding responsible for historical slavery.

I never found him to be the slightest bit funny - more of a court jester than a proper comedian. His entire career was seemingly based on him playing the 'black fool' to predominantly white audiences.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..
Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.
You should also cut some checks for Indians and aborigines the world over. 😉

I think the problem is the way POC are being treated now, in America and the UK..the rhetoric used in the media here would of been.unthinkable a decade ago. The poc who were accepted as legal.migrants decades ago and work here consider the UK their home have to endure the "we want immigrants out" message blaring from every news paper, radio station and news channel. I'm sure they are reassured by their colleagues that not everyone thinks this way but they must be fed up of being demonized. This country doesn't go a DAY without banging on about immigration when.the cost of living crisis is a far more pressing problem

In America ICE are just bundling people who appear to be of ethnic origin into vans to detention centres, people who were often born in.the US. I know they are given a chance to explain their origins while detained but this dehumanizing behaviour is horrific.It's like something out of 1984.

I think these comments by Gary Neville and Lenny Henry are just using their platforms as celebrities to drown out the right wing media just a little and to remind the xenophobic billionaires behind these news organisations that not everyone agrees.

Maddog · Go Outside

Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..
Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.
You should also cut some checks for Indians and aborigines the world over. 😉
I think the problem is the way POC are being treated now, in America and the UK..the rhetoric used in the media here would of been.unthinkable a decade ago. The poc who were accepted as legal.migrants decades ago and work here consider the UK their home have to endure the "we want immigrants out" message blaring from every news paper, radio station and news channel. I'm sure they are reassured by their colleagues that not everyone thinks this way but they must be fed up of being demonized. This country doesn't go a DAY without banging on about immigration when.the cost of living crisis is a far more pressing problem
In America ICE are just bundling people who appear to be of ethnic origin into vans to detention centres, people who were often born in.the US. I know they are given a chance to explain their origins while detained but this dehumanizing behaviour is horrific.It's like something out of 1984.
I think these comments by Gary Neville and Lenny Henry are just using their platforms as celebrities to drown out the right wing media just a little and to remind the xenophobic billionaires behind these news organisations that not everyone agrees.

You want us to write checks to Hispanics too?

What about women?

Think how they were treated in the past.

How much are you going to pay and how much should you receive?

Magica · Go Outside

Exactly Madders, the world could owe everybody sometime or other. It's ridiculous!

Also Gary Neville is a woke twit. Taking down the flag!

They.moan about right wingers who are defending their country, that piss me off! They are not right wingers, they are patriots to their country!

Red Okktober · Getting Gobby

I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?

Magica · Go Outside

Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?

Lenny is a pain. Thinks he knows everything yet knows nothing. Sad man!

Digger · Admin

Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?

The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Red is right, reparations do not have to take the form of monetary compensation which is what Henry is requesting. Starmer has already rejected this notion. However a UK judge has stated the UK does indeed owe 18 TRILLION . I'm.not sure how a Judge can arrive at any financial figure but they have and this hives Henry's request some !such needed context.

Last year, a document signed by 56 Commonwealth leaders and heads of government, including UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer, acknowledged calls for "discussions on reparatory justice" for the "abhorrent" transatlantic slave trade.

But Sir Keir said there had been no discussions about money at the meeting, and that the UK was "very clear" in its position that it would not pay reparations.

Last year, then-Foreign Secretary David Lammy said the concept of reparations for former colonial nations affected by slavery was "not about the transfer of cash".

In 2023, a UN judge said the UK was likely to owe more than £18tn in reparations for its historical role in slavery.

But reparatory justice could also take the form of a formal apology, educational programmes or public health assistance.

Source-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yqn2x490zo

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Maddog wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Magica wrote:
Wants us to pay trillions to British black slaves.
We never had slaves in this country. Should.look at Spain, Portugal, Saudi Arabia, America who had them on plantations!.
We banned slavery.
What about the white slaves blacks had, which is now coming out by black people who have studied.it. Can we get money from them?

I detest Henry. He's claim to fame was dressing up like blacks in the.jungle making monkey noises! Never made me laugh.
This man is one of the biggest racists going!

Brits owned slaves..

Basically everyone had slaves. Brits were also enslaved by Arabs.

The whole world owes everyone else for the behavior of people hundreds of years ago..
Yes we did, but America had loads and also Indians that got nothing from whites taking their land.
You should also cut some checks for Indians and aborigines the world over. 😉
I think the problem is the way POC are being treated now, in America and the UK..the rhetoric used in the media here would of been.unthinkable a decade ago. The poc who were accepted as legal.migrants decades ago and work here consider the UK their home have to endure the "we want immigrants out" message blaring from every news paper, radio station and news channel. I'm sure they are reassured by their colleagues that not everyone thinks this way but they must be fed up of being demonized. This country doesn't go a DAY without banging on about immigration when.the cost of living crisis is a far more pressing problem
In America ICE are just bundling people who appear to be of ethnic origin into vans to detention centres, people who were often born in.the US. I know they are given a chance to explain their origins while detained but this dehumanizing behaviour is horrific.It's like something out of 1984.
I think these comments by Gary Neville and Lenny Henry are just using their platforms as celebrities to drown out the right wing media just a little and to remind the xenophobic billionaires behind these news organisations that not everyone agrees.
You want us to write checks to Hispanics too?

What about women?

Think how they were treated in the past.

How much are you going to pay and how much should you receive?

If you read the post above a UK judge said we do owe 18 trillion in reparations hence why Henry is even addressing this. And a document was signed by 56 commonwealth leaders that call for discussions on reparatory justice for the slave trade. Reparations are not being addressed for women or Hispanic people, rightly or wrongly.

Henry demanding money is in bad faith as he knows due to the Tory government our economy is in diabolical shape . It implies reparations will take the form of more funding for education programmes in inner city areas where poc are living in poverty.

Maybe a public apology could be issued by Starmer, but that would be for optics and not help the situation There is one thing that can be done.

This current rhetoric in the right wing media dehumanizing immigrants and by association POC could cease. Since this divisive rhetoric has become commonplace it is making British people who happen to be POC feel like they have a target on their back. Maybe the discussion and waving of flags could take a back seat for a short time. In the 1970's apparently racist skinheads donned the flag chanting "There ain't no black in the Union Jack" .

Combine this with the openly racist abuse heard at marches , and the right wing parties fighting over who can leave the ECHU fast enough to get rid of black legal migrants and I think I can I understand why British POC and legal migrants feel unwanted and intimidated.

Sorry for long post Madders, I know you are not keen. But if owed reparatory justice can not take a financial form maybe the constant divisive rhetoric from the television that make POC feel fearful for their safety could cease. A return to normality in other words and people could hear about other news for a change which would be refreshing for everyone.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Click the underlined writing in blue in my first post and a former article explains the situation far more clearly. Below is just a small part..now that Henry 's demands are out into context he sounds totally rational. But aside from quitting the xenophobic narrative that has engulfed our media and funding more educational programmes for young POC who live in appalling poverty I'm not sure what can be realistically expected of a nation as poor as ours has sadly become.

People also honour the Black Lives Matter movement , regardless of It's origins most people bend the knee in good faith and with deep regret for the past. Obviously those who choose not to do are entitled to do as they wish We also celebrate Black History Month, which is this month, so I think in fairness the UK has not forgotten the abomination that slavery and segregation was..What is most important is that we do not let right wing media which serves at the altar of capitalism to drag us back into adopting the sinister mindset out ancestors had.

UN judge says the UK is likely to owe more than £18tn in reparations for its historical role in slavery.

Patrick Robinson, says the UK should pay $24tn (£18.8tn) for its slavery involvement in 14 countries.

But Mr Robinson said the sum was an "underestimation" of the damage caused by the slave trade.

He said he was amazed some countries responsible for slavery think they can "bury their heads in the sand".

"Once a state has committed a wrongful act, it's obliged to pay reparations," said Mr Robinson, who presided over the trial of Slobodan Milosevic, the former Yugoslav president.

Fluffy · Musing at the Chaos

Digger wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
I just read the full interview, and apart from asking for 18 trillion quid, Henry is also claiming that black British people are "twice as likely to be unemployed as their white counterparts" and "grossly over-represented in the prison population all because of the transatlantic slave trade". LoL

No other reasons then Sir Lenny, like laziness, lack of ambition, being in gangs, street crime, stabbing each other, drug dealing etc?

Plenty of black people have been successful in life, Kemi Badenoch, Steven Bartlett, Sharon White, being current prime examples. Yet every other black person has been held back due to historical slavery?

Does anyone know if Henry is currently suffering from mental issues?
The man's an idiot. Two of my best friends are women of colour. Both have had successful careers and one got an MBE a few years ago.

In light of the information I have posted Digs , the UN judge saying we owe 18 Trillion in Reparations and that we are obliged to pay it and 56 commonwealth leaders (including Starmer) requesting discussions for reparatory justice I don't think Henry can be dismissed as mentally unwell or an idiot in this instance as he is merely repeating the conclusion of the UN judge. This has clearly been discussed openly for some time but most of our media coverage is dedicated to immigration so other news is not brought to our attention .

But obviously we don't have the money that Henry is demanding and Starmer has already stated the reparations will not take the form of financial reimbursement. Do you think an apology from Starmer would suffice? I don't. I do think funding educational programmes is an excellent opportunity to help teenagers who are living in poverty and are often forced into gang culture. Starmer has thought of something beneficial for once but wherever he gets the funding from I'm sure he will be robbing Peter to pay Paul, such is the woeful economy.

Due to the overwhelming negative rhetoric from the media concerning other ethnicities black teenagers must be feeling both resentful.and fearful. I feel the appropriate people (not sure who,)should be brought into schools to give educational talks that reinforce that all people are equal regardless of colour and heritage although I doubt that will stop any increased bullying. In this day and age it's disgraceful that this obvious fact needs pointing out.

I do take your point and Red 's but think if the divisive rhetoric that has weirdly become commonplace went back to civilised broadcasting that would be a tremendous step in the right direction.

Obviously we can never make amends for the historical brutal actions of our ancestors but I think the above combined with funding for inner city schools and continuing to support Black Lives Matter (If people wish to) would go a long way. Do you agree or think other things can be done that I'm not considering? I think an apology from Starmer would sound hollow even if he is being sincere.