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He needs to remember a few things.   Though there were good and bad implementations on both sides, Labour did what they always do. Spent other poeple's money until there was none left.

1970s under Labour

 

Child Benefit Act 1975: Replaced older family allowances with a unified child benefit paid directly to mothers.

Pension and Subsidies Boost: Raised retirement pensions in real terms by 14% in 1974 and introduced widespread food and rent subsidies to ease cost-of-living pressures.

Equal Pay Act Implementation: Brought the landmark law into active force in December 1975 to outlaw less favorable treatment in pay and conditions between men and women

IMF Crisis Management: Accepted a severe $3.9 billion International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan in 1976 after a run on the pound, forcing deep public spending cuts

High Inflation and Unemployment: Double-digit inflation paired with stagnating growth severely eroded household purchasing power and standard of living through much of the decade. 

The Winter of Discontent (1978–1979): Attempts by the Labour government to cap public sector wage increases to control inflation led to massive strikes by trade unions, disrupting rubbish collection, transport, and even healthcare services. 

Strained Union Relations: Labour struggled to manage powerful trade union demands, creating an impression of ungovernability and economic paralysis

Labour Chancellor Denis Healey raised income tax rates significantly, pushing the basic rate to 35% and top rates as high as 83% to 98%

 

 

Things that changed under Margaret Thatcher

•⁠ ⁠Top rate of income tax: 83% → 40%

•⁠ ⁠Basic rate: 33% → 25% •⁠ ⁠Inflation: 21.9% peak (1980) → 2.4% (1986)

•⁠ ⁠Days lost to strikes: 29.5 million (1979) → 1.9 million (1990)

•⁠ ⁠Real take-home pay for the average earner: up by a third

•⁠ ⁠Right to Buy: over a million council tenants became homeowners

•⁠ ⁠Home ownership: 55% → 67%

•⁠ ⁠Individual shareholders: 3 million → 11 million — one in four adults

•⁠ ⁠Foreign holidays: roughly doubled

•⁠ ⁠Homes with a telephone: two-thirds → nearly nine in ten

•⁠ ⁠Pensioners' average incomes: up around 30% in real terms

•⁠ ⁠Infant mortality: down almost 40% •⁠ ⁠Real GDP: up by almost a third

•⁠ ⁠GDP per head outgrew France, Germany and Italy in the 1980s

•⁠ ⁠Manufacturing productivity: slowest growth in the G7 in the 1970s → fastest in the 1980s

•⁠ ⁠Self-employed: 1.9 million → 3.5 million

•⁠ ⁠Nissan to Sunderland, Toyota to Derby, Honda to Swindon

•⁠ ⁠Britain became a net oil exporter

•⁠ ⁠London restored as the world's financial capital in 1986

•⁠ ⁠Budget surpluses three years running — Britain repaid debt, 1987–90

•⁠ ⁠National debt: 47% of GDP → 28%

•⁠ ⁠State spending: ~45% of GDP → ~39%

•⁠ ⁠The civil service: 732,000 → 565,000

•⁠ ⁠Corporation tax: 52% → 35%; the small firms' rate: 42% → 25%

•⁠ ⁠Personal tax allowances: up more than 25% in real terms

•⁠ ⁠Higher rates of income tax: nine → one

•⁠ ⁠Death duties: fourteen rates → one

•⁠ ⁠Exchange controls scrapped after 40 years

•⁠ ⁠40+ nationalised businesses privatised — 600,000 employees moved to the private sector

•⁠ ⁠The 33 big state industries: took ~£500m from taxpayers in 1980 → paid £8.4bn to the Exchequer by 1987

•⁠ ⁠British Steel: world-record loss-maker (1980/81) → £733m profit (1989/90)

•⁠ ⁠BT, 1984: the largest share offer the world had ever seen

•⁠ ⁠"Tell Sid" broke the record again in 1986

•⁠ ⁠British Airways: nationalised loss-maker → profitable, private, "the world's favourite airline"

•⁠ ⁠The Channel Tunnel: launched — entirely privately financed

•⁠ ⁠The Falklands liberated in 74 days

•⁠ ⁠Backed Gorbachev early, stood with Reagan, and won the Cold War

•⁠ ⁠Three consecutive election victories and the longest-serving PM of the twentieth century



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Burnham is a disaster waiting to happen - a Marxist who wants to reverse Thatcherism and take us back to the 1970s.

He keeps banging on about 40 years of neoliberalism, which included 15 years under Labour, and 3 years where he himself was a cabinet minister. So that makes him a contributor to the neoliberalism that he claims has ruined the country.

He has to call a GE - we can't have this nonsense going on unopposed for the next 3 years. If he doesn't, I have a feeling he may be out on his ear even quicker than Starmer was.

He may well be a nice bloke, but so's the fella who works in my local chippie, and I wouldn't want him running the country either.

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I don't like Burnham, he's a leftie.

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How many PMs have y'all had since Tony Blair?

I used to envy your ability to "take out the trash" compared to our system which really has forced only one president out in 240 or so years.

But I'm not sure the revolving door is a good system either. You need some sort of consistency and continuity, especially in a very centralized system like you have..

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Maddog wrote:

How many PMs have y'all had since Tony Blair?

I used to envy your ability to "take out the trash" compared to our system which really has forced only one president out in 240 or so years.

But I'm not sure the revolving door is a good system either. You need some sort of consistency and continuity, especially in a very centralized system like you have..

 I get what you say, but they all.promise the earth then don't deliver.🤔



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Burnham wasn't an MP he was the mayor of Manchester. There are over 400 Labour MP's but they couldn't find one good enough to be leader. So Burnham was made an MP so he could become PM. That to me stinks of some kind of engineered agenda. You are not watching democracy in action.

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Apologies if I’ve got this wrong, but wasn’t he previously an MP back in the early 2000’s? 



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Vam wrote:

Apologies if I’ve got this wrong, but wasn’t he previously an MP back in the early 2000’s? 

 He has been an MP, and held high positions in Government previously.

He left because he says openly he did not like the way the country was run, he hated the South supremecy and over the last 10 years, has made a good job on evening up the country, he has done loads for Manchester and the surrounding areas.

As he says now, he will be PM for ALL the country, and I believe he believes that is the right way, giving all areas the chance to decide what's best for them, rather than a cabinet based in the South who is making decisions about parts of the country they know sod all about.

 

Some people won't give him a chance simply becuase he is Labour, time will tell whether he can make the difference we need in the short time he has.



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Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:

Apologies if I’ve got this wrong, but wasn’t he previously an MP back in the early 2000’s? 

 He has been an MP, and held high positions in Government previously.

He left because he says openly he did not like the way the country was run, he hated the South supremecy and over the last 10 years, has made a good job on evening up the country, he has done loads for Manchester and the surrounding areas.

As he says now, he will be PM for ALL the country, and I believe he believes that is the right way, giving all areas the chance to decide what's best for them, rather than a cabinet based in the South who is making decisions about parts of the country they know sod all about.

 

Some people won't give him a chance simply becuase he is Labour, time will tell whether he can make the difference we need in the short time he has.

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)



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I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

 

 What was wrong with it?



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Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:

Apologies if I’ve got this wrong, but wasn’t he previously an MP back in the early 2000’s? 

 He has been an MP, and held high positions in Government previously.

He left because he says openly he did not like the way the country was run, he hated the South supremecy and over the last 10 years, has made a good job on evening up the country, he has done loads for Manchester and the surrounding areas.

As he says now, he will be PM for ALL the country, and I believe he believes that is the right way, giving all areas the chance to decide what's best for them, rather than a cabinet based in the South who is making decisions about parts of the country they know sod all about.

 

Some people won't give him a chance simply becuase he is Labour, time will tell whether he can make the difference we need in the short time he has.

 As cynical as I am re politicians generally, I'm willing to give him a chance. I might be tempting fate here but surely to God he can't be as dire as Starmer. Right?



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Vam wrote:

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)

 Are the Burnham's expecting another child?

She's gives off 'ageing punk' vibes - she could be Tilda Swinton’s slightly better looking half sister

Great name, I would say the best ever for a politicians spouse  - Marie-France van Heel



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Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:

Apologies if I’ve got this wrong, but wasn’t he previously an MP back in the early 2000’s? 

 He has been an MP, and held high positions in Government previously.

He left because he says openly he did not like the way the country was run, he hated the South supremecy and over the last 10 years, has made a good job on evening up the country, he has done loads for Manchester and the surrounding areas.

As he says now, he will be PM for ALL the country, and I believe he believes that is the right way, giving all areas the chance to decide what's best for them, rather than a cabinet based in the South who is making decisions about parts of the country they know sod all about.

 

Some people won't give him a chance simply becuase he is Labour, time will tell whether he can make the difference we need in the short time he has.

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)

 Not very flattering I agree but haute couture compared to Angela Rayner's wardrobe.  I think Rayner's the queen of scragg-bags; I've yet to see her in anything that looks and fits decently...considering her salary, *cough non-payments cough*,and perks you'd think she'd have a few well-cut tailored suits and/or dresses she could throw on. She really puts the chav in chavtastic.



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Red Okktober wrote:
Vam wrote:

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)

 Are the Burnham's expecting another child?

She's gives off 'ageing punk' vibes - she could be Tilda Swinton’s slightly better looking half sister

Great name, I would say the best ever for a politicians spouse  - Marie-France van Heel

 I thought she was his.mum! lol



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Vam wrote:
Syl wrote:
Vam wrote:

Apologies if I’ve got this wrong, but wasn’t he previously an MP back in the early 2000’s? 

 He has been an MP, and held high positions in Government previously.

He left because he says openly he did not like the way the country was run, he hated the South supremecy and over the last 10 years, has made a good job on evening up the country, he has done loads for Manchester and the surrounding areas.

As he says now, he will be PM for ALL the country, and I believe he believes that is the right way, giving all areas the chance to decide what's best for them, rather than a cabinet based in the South who is making decisions about parts of the country they know sod all about.

 

Some people won't give him a chance simply becuase he is Labour, time will tell whether he can make the difference we need in the short time he has.

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)

 Thanks, we had a great time Vam

Mrs B certainly has her own style. I don't know much about her, so far she has kept out of the spotlight, maybe that will change.



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I was doing a little research on your system (I know it better than 98% of Americans but there is still a lot I don't know) and it appears that your ministers basically have to be members of parliament and are also almost always members of the same party as the PM.

Seems like Burnham (or any PM) might be able to gain a little good will from the other side by nominating a few ministers from another party. Or would the Labour majority in parliament shoot that idea down?

While our current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave wouldn't do anything like that, recent past presidents have.

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Magica wrote:
Red Okktober wrote:
Vam wrote:

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)

 Are the Burnham's expecting another child?

She's gives off 'ageing punk' vibes - she could be Tilda Swinton’s slightly better looking half sister

Great name, I would say the best ever for a politicians spouse  - Marie-France van Heel

 I thought she was his.mum! lol

 😂 Syl might recall I said exactly the same thing when I first noticed Mrs B! 

That Punkish/Gothy purple lippy she seems to like, doesn’t do her any favours … 



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Vam wrote:

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)

 Not very flattering I agree but haute couture compared to Angela Rayner's wardrobe.  I think Rayner's the queen of scragg-bags; I've yet to see her in anything that looks and fits decently...considering her salary, *cough non-payments cough*,and perks you'd think she'd have a few well-cut tailored suits and/or dresses she could throw on. She really puts the chav in chavtastic.


 ‘scragg-bags’! lol 

Yeah, Rayner is a whole other case apart nod A hopeless one, and beyond redemption.

Red was right, Mrs B’s dress did make her look pregnant. Bulging tummy aside, a fitted dress cut too tight + a clingy fabric in a pastel colour, is never a great idea when a butt is riddled with cellulite dimples 🫣



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Vam wrote:
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Vam wrote:

 So as I thought, it’s not as if he’s inexperienced. I’ll keep reading from afar, and I really hope he does right by the country.

I‘ll also resist commenting on what Mrs B was wearing today 😇 (unless I’m asked 😂)

(hope you had a great weekend! wink)

 Not very flattering I agree but haute couture compared to Angela Rayner's wardrobe.  I think Rayner's the queen of scragg-bags; I've yet to see her in anything that looks and fits decently...considering her salary, *cough non-payments cough*,and perks you'd think she'd have a few well-cut tailored suits and/or dresses she could throw on. She really puts the chav in chavtastic.


 ‘scragg-bags’! lol 

Yeah, Rayner is a whole other case apart nod A hopeless one, and beyond redemption.

Red was right, Mrs B’s dress did make her look pregnant. Bulging tummy aside, a fitted dress cut too tight + a clingy fabric in a pastel colour, is never a great idea when a butt is riddled with cellulite dimples 🫣

Ooh, bitchy. lolHowever....I agree with all that.

But I mentioned this somewhere a couple of weeks ago, I think they make a great couple. He is proud of her and she him. She has borne him three children, now adults, and she is in her mid-fifties. Maybe she doesn't want to be a fashion plate, and if that's the case, I admire her confidence to just be herself.

 

In the clip below, she is seen as a contestant on TV's 'Blind Date', she doesn't come across as particularly endearing, but then neither does her date.

I bet she wishes that clip had not been unearthed.

 

Who is Marie-France van Heel, wife of Andy Burnham and mother of their children? | LBC



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😂 Ahhh, Syl…let me try to explain. She seems to be a perfectly normal middle-aged woman, with a body shape similar to middle-aged women the whole world over. I’m not knocking her for that. If the way she dresses is her personal choice, I’m not really knocking her for that either.

Also, it has to be said that the Burnhams have 3 great looking kids.

The cellulite thing (sorry! 🤣) was a few seconds of me happening to notice her rear end, as she was stepping into Buckingham Palace. The sunlight happened to catch all the…’dimpling’…because her dress was cut too tight and the fabric was too pastel and clingy. And once seen, I couldn’t unsee it! 🤣

Rightly or wrongly, image matters for people in public office and it inevitably attracts public scrutiny.  I would imagine Mrs B will be surrounded by assistants/advisers to very tactfully steer her fashion choices in a better direction when she’s out in public view. If she then decides to still do her own thing, so be it 🤷🏻‍♀️



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