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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Is social distancing the new Racism?

Date: Mar 23 12:31 PM, 2020

Now I see why others posters left.

Magica · Go Outside

Thing is silly comments like the ones to JD derail any discussion. It's pathetic!

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Anonymous wrote:
Now I see why others posters left.

It's obvious really isn't it.

Tag teaming and bullying is not encouraged on here, some people just cant seem to cope with that.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Thing is silly comments like the ones to JD derail any discussion. It's pathetic!

Some people don't want to add anything constructive to any thread....OK, this is Whine and we do make allowances for the odd agenda driven nomad who wanders from forum to forum trying to stir up a bit of trouble….but when it's SO obvious it get's boring.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Thing is silly comments like the ones to JD derail any discussion. It's pathetic!
Some people don't want to add anything constructive to any thread....OK, this is Whine and we do make allowances for the odd agenda driven nomad who wanders from forum to forum trying to stir up a bit of trouble….but when it's SO obvious it get's boring.

True Syl, boring and stupid.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Thing is silly comments like the ones to JD derail any discussion. It's pathetic!
Some people don't want to add anything constructive to any thread....OK, this is Whine and we do make allowances for the odd agenda driven nomad who wanders from forum to forum trying to stir up a bit of trouble….but when it's SO obvious it get's boring.
True Syl, boring and stupid.

It's that boring I am off to do a bit of housework and gardening...laters. x

Date: Mar 23 1:00 PM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well it's attituded like that that allowed/still allow, that kind of abuse to continue for decades.
Bigots like JD don’t seem to care so much when it’s white men doing the abusing. He was banned from DS for being a bigot not for speaking the truth.
During the discussion on Pakistan/Bangladeshi Muslim rape gangs and the Manchester bombing some people were saying it is Islamophobic to talk about it and then they said what about the white men, why don't you talk about them, and what about all those Christian white men priests?
These same people would then talk about killing elderly white British people for being conservative voters and would endlessly call them gammons, not worth living. Then amongst themselves would talk about looking forward to the deaths of their elderly white parents so that they could claim their inheritance. All this is recorded on the Digital Spy Forum.

Yeah riiiiiiiiight.

Date: Mar 23 1:19 PM, 2020

There seems to be at least one person, maybe upwards of three, on DS and on Dogs that don't seem to like JD and have tried to speak of tittle tattle hearsay. The way one and then more went after the Dr indicates how these things develop.

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
There seems to be at least one person, maybe upwards of three, on DS and on Dogs that don't seem to like JD and have tried to speak of tittle tattle hearsay. The way one and then more went after the Dr indicates how these things develop.

It's the mentality of the schoolyard and rather pathetic in grown adults if that is their only pleasure in life.

Magica · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
There seems to be at least one person, maybe upwards of three, on DS and on Dogs that don't seem to like JD and have tried to speak of tittle tattle hearsay. The way one and then more went after the Dr indicates how these things develop.
It's the mentality of the schoolyard and rather pathetic in grown adults if that is their only pleasure in life.

Saddos JD, must have boring, sad lives.

dr synne · Musing at the Chaos

Anonymous wrote:
There seems to be at least one person, maybe upwards of three, on DS and on Dogs that don't seem to like JD and have tried to speak of tittle tattle hearsay. The way one and then more went after the Dr indicates how these things develop.

Not hearsay, just make shit up.

To be fair though I think they actually come to really believe it. Being that patholological.

On the other hand with that sort of damaged psyche, who takes them seriously in the first place.

Date: Mar 23 11:09 PM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
It lost it's true meaning a long time ago Mags - it is just a term used to immediately shut down discussion on any sensitive topic that might be uncomfortable for the 'right on' crowd (see Digital Spy since Hearst took over).
The most egregious example of this was/is the Pakistani/Bangladeshi Muslim grooming gangs operating in plain sight - and the gutless authorities turning a blind eye for decades.
Thousands of young lives sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.
A lot of people were banned from Digital Spy by moderators who accused them of Islamophobia when trying to discuss this. The majority of those raising the issue of Pakistani/Bangladeshi Muslims were eventually permanently banned.
Similarly during the Paris terrorist attack of November 2015 a lot of people were eventually permanently banned for Islamophobia from Digital Spy when discussing the incidents and subsequent related incidents in London and elsewhere.
So DS is left with forum members like Dee123, Banglaroad and similar.
I was banned after the Manchester bombing for commenting negatively about a woman outside the stadium whining about 'Islamophobia' in a full Burqa (as they were still taking the body parts of the poor kids to the morgue) - how the hell was I to know that the grenades and huge dagger on her clothing were some sort of bullshit 'peace' symbol?
The moderators on there have a very clear agenda, and that is shutting down discussion of anything that may be uncomfortable for certain 'communities'.

-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 23rd of March 2020 11:45:47 AM
Well you’ve ingratiated yourself with the mods here enough to be able to get away with your bilious views so knock yourself out.

It's called self preservation and singling JD out is ridiculous. Many posters on Dogs are overly chummy with owner and mods and bite their tongue if either are in the wrong. Why? So they don't receive a ban or fall out of favour.

DS is similar. So many pbu's exist only because they expressed anti liberal views. Their posts may contrast with what the mods believe in but did those posters deserve a permanent ban for a difference in opinion. No.

Date: Mar 23 11:24 PM, 2020

dr synne wrote:
I mean what with all the condemnation for people going to the park etc.

I understand people have concerns but there is only so much social distancing people can take. And isn't good for you to get out in the fresh air.

Back to the original OP and away from the tedious JD bashing ,I agree with you.

It will have a terrible effect on people's mental and physical health to be confined to their homes for so long. The obesity problem was out of hand before. Now people are not permitted to obesity will surely get far worse. As will a plethora of serious mental and physical health concerns. I wonder what will happen if someone urgently needs a dentist as tooth pain can be unbearable..!

The condemnation of the park goers was entirely manipulated by the media to ensure Boris' Orwellian measures would be well received and people would applaud their own imprisonment.

Those people had simply taken the PM"s advice to go out to parks to get fresh air and everyone had the same idea. Some may of been flouting the rules but most were only following advice and the media twisted their innocent actions so the easily deceived viewers would think "shame on you" and welcome having their liberty stolen from them.

I am not in total agreement with the draconian measures introduced tonight.

dr synne · Musing at the Chaos

Anonymous wrote:
dr synne wrote:
I mean what with all the condemnation for people going to the park etc.

I understand people have concerns but there is only so much social distancing people can take. And isn't good for you to get out in the fresh air.
Back to the original OP and away from the tedious JD bashing ,I agree with you.
It will have a terrible effect on people's mental and physical health to be confined to their homes for so long. The obesity problem was out of hand before. Now people are not permitted to obesity will surely get far worse. As will a plethora of serious mental and physical health concerns. I wonder what will happen if someone urgently needs a dentist as tooth pain can be unbearable..!
The condemnation of the park goers was entirely manipulated by the media to ensure Boris' Orwellian measures would be well received and people would applaud their own imprisonment.
Those people had simply taken the PM"s advice to go out to parks to get fresh air and everyone had the same idea. Some may of been flouting the rules but most were only following advice and the media twisted their innocent actions so the easily deceived viewers would think "shame on you" and welcome having their liberty stolen from them.
I am not in total agreement with the draconian measures introduced tonight.

Possibly being a bit harsh here. But if we're doing this to protect the vulnerable shouldn't some of the onus be on the vulnerable. Being held accountable for some possible infection of someone else because you went for a walk seems a bit draconian. We can't live by eridicating risk but by managing it or mitigating it.

Date: Mar 24 1:04 PM, 2020

dr synne wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
dr synne wrote:
I mean what with all the condemnation for people going to the park etc.

I understand people have concerns but there is only so much social distancing people can take. And isn't good for you to get out in the fresh air.
Back to the original OP and away from the tedious JD bashing ,I agree with you.
It will have a terrible effect on people's mental and physical health to be confined to their homes for so long. The obesity problem was out of hand before. Now people are not permitted to obesity will surely get far worse. As will a plethora of serious mental and physical health concerns. I wonder what will happen if someone urgently needs a dentist as tooth pain can be unbearable..!
The condemnation of the park goers was entirely manipulated by the media to ensure Boris' Orwellian measures would be well received and people would applaud their own imprisonment.
Those people had simply taken the PM"s advice to go out to parks to get fresh air and everyone had the same idea. Some may of been flouting the rules but most were only following advice and the media twisted their innocent actions so the easily deceived viewers would think "shame on you" and welcome having their liberty stolen from them.
I am not in total agreement with the draconian measures introduced tonight.
Possibly being a bit harsh here. But if we're doing this to protect the vulnerable shouldn't some of the onus be on the vulnerable. Being held accountable for some possible infection of someone else because you went for a walk seems a bit draconian. We can't live by eridicating risk but by managing it or mitigating it.

Agree entirely, haven't wanted to express that view as it is far from a popular one.

I totally support the measures taken by the PM that the elderly and vulnerable should not go out and should be protected. Removing everyone's freedom completely as was introduced yesterday I feel is a step too far.

Having supermarkets etc open ensures the virus will continue to spread unabated. These people will include key workers from care homes etc and the wonderful NHS staff to whom we owe so much. But they may harbour the virus without symptoms and be spreading it.This virus is spreading through tiny droplets of saliva when people speak, not just cough or sneeze. It's only possible to lessen it's impact but not by a great deal as the virus remains on surfaces for three days...! Cleaning substances need to be 70% alcohol to have any real effectiveness.

Thr brutal truth is until a vaccine is created and made available the virus will continue to prove fatal . The impact enforced isolation and intimidating police presence will have on the mentally ill will be immense. According to the charity Mind attempted suicides have already occurred as people simply can't cope with the intense loneliness they are now expected to tolerate.The draconian measures will prove so harmful to so many and the virus will spread rapidly anyway.

Italy is on complete lockdown yet the numbers of infected individuals and fatalities still rise by a significant amount every single day, this is even with everyone imprisoned in their homes.

Date: Mar 24 3:48 PM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:
dr synne wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
dr synne wrote:
I mean what with all the condemnation for people going to the park etc.

I understand people have concerns but there is only so much social distancing people can take. And isn't good for you to get out in the fresh air.
Back to the original OP and away from the tedious JD bashing ,I agree with you.
It will have a terrible effect on people's mental and physical health to be confined to their homes for so long. The obesity problem was out of hand before. Now people are not permitted to obesity will surely get far worse. As will a plethora of serious mental and physical health concerns. I wonder what will happen if someone urgently needs a dentist as tooth pain can be unbearable..!
The condemnation of the park goers was entirely manipulated by the media to ensure Boris' Orwellian measures would be well received and people would applaud their own imprisonment.
Those people had simply taken the PM"s advice to go out to parks to get fresh air and everyone had the same idea. Some may of been flouting the rules but most were only following advice and the media twisted their innocent actions so the easily deceived viewers would think "shame on you" and welcome having their liberty stolen from them.
I am not in total agreement with the draconian measures introduced tonight.
Possibly being a bit harsh here. But if we're doing this to protect the vulnerable shouldn't some of the onus be on the vulnerable. Being held accountable for some possible infection of someone else because you went for a walk seems a bit draconian. We can't live by eridicating risk but by managing it or mitigating it.
Agree entirely, haven't wanted to express that view as it is far from a popular one.
I totally support the measures taken by the PM that the elderly and vulnerable should not go out and should be protected. Removing everyone's freedom completely as was introduced yesterday I feel is a step too far.
Having supermarkets etc open ensures the virus will continue to spread unabated. These people will include key workers from care homes etc and the wonderful NHS staff to whom we owe so much. But they may harbour the virus without symptoms and be spreading it.This virus is spreading through tiny droplets of saliva when people speak, not just cough or sneeze. It's only possible to lessen it's impact but not by a great deal as the virus remains on surfaces for three days...! Cleaning substances need to be 70% alcohol to have any real effectiveness.
Thr brutal truth is until a vaccine is created and made available the virus will continue to prove fatal . The impact enforced isolation and intimidating police presence will have on the mentally ill will be immense. According to the charity Mind attempted suicides have already occurred as people simply can't cope with the intense loneliness they are now expected to tolerate.The draconian measures will prove so harmful to so many and the virus will spread rapidly anyway.
Italy is on complete lockdown yet the numbers of infected individuals and fatalities still rise by a significant amount every single day, this is even with everyone imprisoned in their homes.

People were contaminated before the lockdown. The death rate may have been far greater without a lockdown, we don’t know for sure.

dr synne · Musing at the Chaos

Anonymous wrote:
dr synne wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
dr synne wrote:
I mean what with all the condemnation for people going to the park etc.

I understand people have concerns but there is only so much social distancing people can take. And isn't good for you to get out in the fresh air.
Back to the original OP and away from the tedious JD bashing ,I agree with you.
It will have a terrible effect on people's mental and physical health to be confined to their homes for so long. The obesity problem was out of hand before. Now people are not permitted to obesity will surely get far worse. As will a plethora of serious mental and physical health concerns. I wonder what will happen if someone urgently needs a dentist as tooth pain can be unbearable..!
The condemnation of the park goers was entirely manipulated by the media to ensure Boris' Orwellian measures would be well received and people would applaud their own imprisonment.
Those people had simply taken the PM"s advice to go out to parks to get fresh air and everyone had the same idea. Some may of been flouting the rules but most were only following advice and the media twisted their innocent actions so the easily deceived viewers would think "shame on you" and welcome having their liberty stolen from them.
I am not in total agreement with the draconian measures introduced tonight.
Possibly being a bit harsh here. But if we're doing this to protect the vulnerable shouldn't some of the onus be on the vulnerable. Being held accountable for some possible infection of someone else because you went for a walk seems a bit draconian. We can't live by eridicating risk but by managing it or mitigating it.
Agree entirely, haven't wanted to express that view as it is far from a popular one.
I totally support the measures taken by the PM that the elderly and vulnerable should not go out and should be protected. Removing everyone's freedom completely as was introduced yesterday I feel is a step too far.
Having supermarkets etc open ensures the virus will continue to spread unabated. These people will include key workers from care homes etc and the wonderful NHS staff to whom we owe so much. But they may harbour the virus without symptoms and be spreading it.This virus is spreading through tiny droplets of saliva when people speak, not just cough or sneeze. It's only possible to lessen it's impact but not by a great deal as the virus remains on surfaces for three days...! Cleaning substances need to be 70% alcohol to have any real effectiveness.
Thr brutal truth is until a vaccine is created and made available the virus will continue to prove fatal . The impact enforced isolation and intimidating police presence will have on the mentally ill will be immense. According to the charity Mind attempted suicides have already occurred as people simply can't cope with the intense loneliness they are now expected to tolerate.The draconian measures will prove so harmful to so many and the virus will spread rapidly anyway.
Italy is on complete lockdown yet the numbers of infected individuals and fatalities still rise by a significant amount every single day, this is even with everyone imprisoned in their homes.

I agree with you on the Italian lockdown. It doesn't seem to have made a lot of difference. We can speculate how much worse it might have been without it but it is just speculation. I'm a fatalist as regards to this, I think the virus will do what it's meant to do despite our efforts. The time when a lockdown would have worked was sometime back in November.

Date: Mar 24 4:50 PM, 2020

From a BBC report

"A key piece of modelling which has informed government has been done by Imperial College London.

It suggested 500,000 could die if we do nothing, while the government's previous strategy to slow the spread was likely to lead to 250,000 deaths.

Instead, it is hoped the steps which have been taken, which are essentially about suppressing the virus, will limit deaths to 20,000."

So with the lockdown working it is estimated the number of deaths due to coronavirus in the UK will be 20,000. A carry on as usual policy would lead to half a million dead due to this virus. These are estimates and based on a model.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

dr synne · Musing at the Chaos

Anonymous wrote:
From a BBC report
"A key piece of modelling which has informed government has been done by Imperial College London.
It suggested 500,000 could die if we do nothing, while the government's previous strategy to slow the spread was likely to lead to 250,000 deaths.
Instead, it is hoped the steps which have been taken, which are essentially about suppressing the virus, will limit deaths to 20,000."

So with the lockdown working it is estimated the number of deaths due to coronavirus in the UK will be 20,000. A carry on as usual policy would lead to half a million dead due to this virus. These are estimates and based on a model.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654

I don't think anyones suggesting a carry on policy. What I'm trying to say is that people manage and asses the risk for themselves. If someone chooses to go for a walk in the park they shouldn't be held accountable or shamed as reckless spreaders of the virus to the vulnerable. The vulnerable should be taking responsibility and precautions as well. You've just as much risk of catching it at the supermarket, more so maybe.