ChaoticMusings

I’m sure some of us have sometimes experienced certain instances that can’t easily be rationalised or explained away.

Jury’s out for me, one way or another, tbh. But what I definitely *do* believe is that if a person’s beliefs bring comfort & don’t negatively influence or endanger others, then where’s the harm?

I believe in the one that I saw.

She told me things that my dad had said about something 

that needed fixing in our house. Now she would not have known 

about that.

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I would be interested to know in people's thoughts about whether anything exists when we pass away. 

Whether it be the traditional Heaven or Hell spoken of in organised religion or some kind of spiritual realm we can't even imagine yet. A popular opinion is Earth is so small and insignificant in comparison to the Universe there must be something there, no matter how unique the form.

Do posters believe there is some sort of purgatory for  people who are evil and has anyone experienced something they can't quite explain? 

Sorry for the macabre thread but I am watching a man on television who uses "spirit boxes" to apparently communicate with spirits (that all have English as a 1st language helpfully!) and wonder if humans could ever really contact those who have passed, maybe even loved ones. Is that a fools hope and the whole concept of mediums a hoax?

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In my opinion (which I will no doubt get slaughtered for) once the brain ceases to function unfortunately that's it - death is the end, just like it has been for every single organism on this planet from Abiogenesis onwards.

It's the dying which worries me, once dead it will just be like the aeons before I was born - absolute zero.

As for Mediums although the few who do not make money from the practice may truly believe that they are in contact with the dead most are charlatans who use many well known techniques to wheedle as much money as possible from their victims.

I suggest reading this book for those who are interested.

'Paranormality: Why we see what isn't there' by the below researcher - it's excellent. 

Richard Wiseman (eminent psychologist) -

Cold reading also explains why psychics have consistently failed scientific tests of their powers. By isolating them from their clients, psychics are unable to pick up information from the way those clients dress or behave. By presenting all of the volunteers involved in the test with all of the readings, they are prevented from attributing meaning to their own reading, and therefore can't identify it from readings made for others. As a result, the type of highly successful hit rate that psychics enjoy on a daily basis comes crashing down and the truth emerges – their success depends on a fascinating application of psychology and not the existence of paranormal abilities.

John Doe wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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I would be interested to know in people's thoughts about whether anything exists when we pass away. 

Whether it be the traditional Heaven or Hell spoken of in organised religion or some kind of spiritual realm we can't even imagine yet. A popular opinion is Earth is so small and insignificant in comparison to the Universe there must be something there, no matter how unique the form.

Do posters believe there is some sort of purgatory for  people who are evil and has anyone experienced something they can't quite explain? 

Sorry for the macabre thread but I am watching a man on television who uses "spirit boxes" to apparently communicate with spirits (that all have English as a 1st language helpfully!) and wonder if humans could ever really contact those who have passed, maybe even loved ones. Is that a fools hope and the whole concept of mediums a hoax?

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In my opinion (which I will no doubt get slaughtered for) once the brain ceases to function unfortunately that's it - death is the end, just like it has been for every single organism on this planet from Abiogenesis onwards.

It's the dying which worries me, once dead it will just be like the aeons before I was born - absolute zero.

As for Mediums although the few who do not make money from the practice may truly believe that they are in contact with the dead most are Charlatans who use many well known techniques to wheedle as much money as possible from their victims.

I suggest reading this book for those who are interested.

'Paranormality: Why we see what isn't there' by the below researcher - it's excellent. 

Richard Wiseman (eminent psychologist) -

Cold reading also explains why psychics have consistently failed scientific tests of their powers. By isolating them from their clients, psychics are unable to pick up information from the way those clients dress or behave. By presenting all of the volunteers involved in the test with all of the readings, they are prevented from attributing meaning to their own reading, and therefore can't identify it from readings made for others. As a result, the type of highly successful hit rate that psychics enjoy on a daily basis comes crashing down and the truth emerges – their success depends on a fascinating application of psychology and not the existence of paranormal abilities.

 

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 15th of May 2020 03:00:15 PM

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 Are you saying Digger is a charlatan?  

Some people just don't understand the power of the universe, the power of prayer and togetherness. We are one,  even you who looks down on anything he does not understand.  You always have to insult someone to get over what you are trying to say. You do not seem to have any filter. 

I think the late, great Carl Sagan put things into perspective.

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Syl wrote:

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I am open minded.
A couple of unexplainable things I have witnessed over the years which I have talked about in the forum.
Others are far more in to the spirit world than I am.....I do find it fascinating though.

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 I am open minded also. I do suspect  the mediums that appear on television are likely to be insincere. Those with true psychic abilities tend to be more or less reclusive, they certainly don't advertise their gift. 

So much of our brain , is it 80% (Doc will know being in the medical profession :lesson:) remains  unused, we are unable to tap in to it for some reason. Who knows what sensation or information would be available to us if those dark areas of our brain were to be accessed? However that has no correlation to confirmation of an Afterlife. 

A sinking feeling within me feels JD has to be correct,  login  dictates it. However I have had  an experience I can't explain like Syl eludes to. It weren't really confirmation of an Afterlife either,  but a strange occurrence that shouldn't of been possible and led to a significant change in my life.

I suppose I want to believe something else exists because otherwise it means that it's  all meaningless,  all our lives and loves turn to nothing and become dust.  We had to come from somewhere surely, nothing comes from nothing. If the planets and solar system must "appeared" one day, have scientists explained how something can suddenly emerge from a void?

 

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There is the possibility that belief in an afterlife may be an evolutionary adaptation to prevent despair, a side affect of other advanced cognitive developments, a means of co-operation within larger social groups or a combination of all three.

Plus it is literally impossible for a living being to truly conceive the state of not being alive.

It is a fascinating topic and I also echo the sentiments of those above, as long as people don't try to force what they believe on others were is the harm?

Unfortunately organised religion in most forms has been spectacularly bad at refraining from doing just that throughout history.

 

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 15th of May 2020 04:17:30 PM

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 This is something I've cogitated over since I was old enough to understand the stuff I've experienced.   It's a perfectly feasible explanation...and I do think it's something inherent in us.  And if it weren't for what I've been through and experienced personally, I'd say it was THE only explanation.  But I can't.   I've seen stuff that defies that concept.

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John Doe wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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I would be interested to know in people's thoughts about whether anything exists when we pass away. 

Whether it be the traditional Heaven or Hell spoken of in organised religion or some kind of spiritual realm we can't even imagine yet. A popular opinion is Earth is so small and insignificant in comparison to the Universe there must be something there, no matter how unique the form.

Do posters believe there is some sort of purgatory for  people who are evil and has anyone experienced something they can't quite explain? 

Sorry for the macabre thread but I am watching a man on television who uses "spirit boxes" to apparently communicate with spirits (that all have English as a 1st language helpfully!) and wonder if humans could ever really contact those who have passed, maybe even loved ones. Is that a fools hope and the whole concept of mediums a hoax?

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In my opinion (which I will no doubt get slaughtered for) once the brain ceases to function unfortunately that's it - death is the end, just like it has been for every single organism on this planet from Abiogenesis onwards.

It's the dying which worries me, once dead it will just be like the aeons before I was born - absolute zero.

As for Mediums although the few who do not make money from the practice may truly believe that they are in contact with the dead most are Charlatans who use many well known techniques to wheedle as much money as possible from their victims.

I suggest reading this book for those who are interested.

'Paranormality: Why we see what isn't there' by the below researcher - it's excellent. 

Richard Wiseman (eminent psychologist) -

Cold reading also explains why psychics have consistently failed scientific tests of their powers. By isolating them from their clients, psychics are unable to pick up information from the way those clients dress or behave. By presenting all of the volunteers involved in the test with all of the readings, they are prevented from attributing meaning to their own reading, and therefore can't identify it from readings made for others. As a result, the type of highly successful hit rate that psychics enjoy on a daily basis comes crashing down and the truth emerges – their success depends on a fascinating application of psychology and not the existence of paranormal abilities.

 

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 15th of May 2020 03:00:15 PM

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 Are you saying Digger is a charlatan?  

 

Some people just don't understand the power of the universe, the power of prayer and togetherness. We are one,  even you who looks down on anything he does not understand.  You always have to insult someone to get over what you are trying to say. You do not seem to have any filter. 

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 0/10 for effort. 

I'm frightened of death.  Is anyone else?

It's not so much fear of Hell, I know there are far worse people in the world than myself if there was a fiery chasm to face. But when I was young I made a selfish choice I believe I should be punished for.

It's more knowing I won't see my family and loved ones again,  that it's all been for nothing. Obviously I won't 'realise' that devastating revelation at the time it happens as I won't have conscious thought. I do disagree with something JD said  (I know, how very dare I ) and that's not being able to comprehend being dead.

At one time I couldn't but when two people close passed away and I saw them I realised the pain of nothingness. They were there but what made them who they were was gone. I've upset myself a little now lol,  I'm away to bed.

Your responses were very interesting and poignant JD, thankyou,

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I'm frightened of death.  Is anyone else?

It's not so much fear of Hell, I know there are far worse people in the world than myself if there was a fiery chasm to face. But when I was young I made a selfish choice I believe I should be punished for.

It's more knowing I won't see my family and loved ones again,  that it's all been for nothing. Obviously I won't 'realise' that devastating revelation at the time it happens as I won't have conscious thought. I do disagree with something JD said  (I know, how very dare I ) and that's not being able to comprehend being dead.

At one time I couldn't but when two people close passed away and I saw them I realised the pain of nothingness. They were there but what made them who they were was gone. I've upset myself a little now lol,  I'm away to bed.

Your responses were very interesting and poignant JD, thankyou,

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 Thank you for being so kind. X