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Oh that's just limp, JP.   As limp as it gets.

I did not challenge your views. You are entitled to them. 

Night!

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 It eas nice of him to take along the missus for his eye testing drive but it was her birthday. :lesson:

If he hadn't had an eye problem to test he probably would have taken her on her birthday to get out of the house and see a nice area anyways so no harm done. It's pretty much standard practice to drive if you suspect you can't see.

 It was his mothers birthday too , a  day or so after drive number one. But that's a coincidence too because he didn't see his mum despite her living there. He had to socially distance himself as he had Covid. He would have been better off staying at his own home really as the lock down rules he made  demanded Covid sufferers isolated themselves for 14 days . But he was confused because his eyes hurt.  

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The scruffy little man and his side kicks were quick to blame the media for the "lies" but the truth is out there IE, a little man that is the unofficial PM of the UK that has played a pivotal role in the STAY AT HOME campaign DO NOT LEAVe if you have symptoms or household has was caught with its pants down by travelling 260+ miles to parents home and then out on a jolly with his wife and kid on a 60 mile round trip with a nice little time by the rover in a nice area of the UK. It would have never come to light had it not been for the press and then gentleman that saw the little man and said hi to him Clearly, one rule for him and another for the plebs and that includes me.

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I don't think its a name names competition is it. Let's name chaotic musing members who disagree with JPs point of view on this one. lol

I could direct you to copious places where there are plenty of names who agree with my assessment of events. But that would be churlish. Believe me there are plenty of people who believe this whole thing has been blown well out of proportion!!

My wife was very worried, particularly given my eyesight seemed to have been affected by the disease. She didn't want to risk a nearly 300-mile drive with our child, given how ill I had been. We agreed that we should go for a short drive to see if I could drive safely. We drove for roughly half an hour and ended up on the outskirts of Barnard Castle town. We did not visit the castle. We did not walk around the town. We parked by a river. My wife and I discussed the situation. We agreed that I could drive safely, we should turn around, go home. I felt a bit sick. We walked about 10 to 15 metres from the car to the river bank nearby. We sat there for about 15 minutes. We had no interactions with anybody. I felt better. We returned the car.

That's the 'eye' part in his exact words.

Seems to me it looks like the truth. A good lie there would have been to say that they were just taking their permitted daily exercise in a public space.

His Wife wrote an article where she did not mention what they did. Probably knew how over-the-top things would become if she mentioned the situation in her article. How right she was.

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"we agreed a short drive"  -  60 fucking miles 

Eyesight test for driving test, read plate at 20 meters if you cant', YOU FAIL and licence taken away 

 

"We had no interactions with anybody"  FULL OF bloddy LIES as the TEACHER SPOTTED HIM you joker https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/24/witness-complains-to-police-about-dominic-cummings-as-pressure-mounts

 

Ok, I've had a few glasses of whine, my husband said to me I looked a bit tipsy - as I'm driving  doing a round trip of 600 miles we better go for a short drive to see if my eyes are ok

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 TheGuardian! lmao.. the greatest manipulator of our time. Governments have nothing on them. Be my guest you carry on falling for the rhetoric, spin, and lies. 

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"lmao" as much as you want as either you remain ignorant or just to thick to realise that the retired teacher that saw him exchanged a quick "hello" with DC on his outing during the lockdown, at the height of the lockdown incorporated by this little weasel. Stop making a joke out of yourself, but your choice.

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 You try hard just like TheGuardian. Fair play to you for that.

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I don't think its a name names competition is it. Let's name chaotic musing members who disagree with JPs point of view on this one. lol

I could direct you to copious places where there are plenty of names who agree with my assessment of events. But that would be churlish. Believe me there are plenty of people who believe this whole thing has been blown well out of proportion!!

My wife was very worried, particularly given my eyesight seemed to have been affected by the disease. She didn't want to risk a nearly 300-mile drive with our child, given how ill I had been. We agreed that we should go for a short drive to see if I could drive safely. We drove for roughly half an hour and ended up on the outskirts of Barnard Castle town. We did not visit the castle. We did not walk around the town. We parked by a river. My wife and I discussed the situation. We agreed that I could drive safely, we should turn around, go home. I felt a bit sick. We walked about 10 to 15 metres from the car to the river bank nearby. We sat there for about 15 minutes. We had no interactions with anybody. I felt better. We returned the car.

That's the 'eye' part in his exact words.

Seems to me it looks like the truth. A good lie there would have been to say that they were just taking their permitted daily exercise in a public space.

His Wife wrote an article where she did not mention what they did. Probably knew how over-the-top things would become if she mentioned the situation in her article. How right she was.

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"we agreed a short drive"  -  60 fucking miles 

Eyesight test for driving test, read plate at 20 meters if you cant', YOU FAIL and licence taken away 

 

"We had no interactions with anybody"  FULL OF bloddy LIES as the TEACHER SPOTTED HIM you joker https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/24/witness-complains-to-police-about-dominic-cummings-as-pressure-mounts

 

Ok, I've had a few glasses of whine, my husband said to me I looked a bit tipsy - as I'm driving  doing a round trip of 600 miles we better go for a short drive to see if my eyes are ok

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 TheGuardian! lmao.. the greatest manipulator of our time. Governments have nothing on them. Be my guest you carry on falling for the rhetoric, spin, and lies. 

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 So your sources are just absolutely right and the rest of the entire media and members of the Tory party who resigned out of disgust for Cummings lies  are just absolutely wrong. 

Okay doke.You stay in your fantasyland, it harms nobody else after all.

The one main rule of lockdown,  the point of the whole blasted thing was to stay in your home and self isolate if you had symptoms. Cummings didn't just have symptoms which could of been something other, he had Covid. That man was told to go nowhere..by rules HE wrote.  

It's a farce but in fairness the Tories always pull stunt like this just not quite so blatant, it was his arrogance and refusal to apologise that has done for him. He may not have issued his resignation but he is now a national joke. This is great news for Labour at least.

Nobody in their right mind goes for a drive if they fear their vision is blurry..it's hilarious. They would refuse to drive if anything  until they knew their eyesight was 100%. He admitted to going for a drive to test his eyesight  in the rose garden interview.  His own words.

The source is dodgy, and known for manipulation and spin, I agree. Nobody believes a word.

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I don't think its a name names competition is it. Let's name chaotic musing members who disagree with JPs point of view on this one. lol

I could direct you to copious places where there are plenty of names who agree with my assessment of events. But that would be churlish. Believe me there are plenty of people who believe this whole thing has been blown well out of proportion!!

My wife was very worried, particularly given my eyesight seemed to have been affected by the disease. She didn't want to risk a nearly 300-mile drive with our child, given how ill I had been. We agreed that we should go for a short drive to see if I could drive safely. We drove for roughly half an hour and ended up on the outskirts of Barnard Castle town. We did not visit the castle. We did not walk around the town. We parked by a river. My wife and I discussed the situation. We agreed that I could drive safely, we should turn around, go home. I felt a bit sick. We walked about 10 to 15 metres from the car to the river bank nearby. We sat there for about 15 minutes. We had no interactions with anybody. I felt better. We returned the car.

That's the 'eye' part in his exact words.

Seems to me it looks like the truth. A good lie there would have been to say that they were just taking their permitted daily exercise in a public space.

His Wife wrote an article where she did not mention what they did. Probably knew how over-the-top things would become if she mentioned the situation in her article. How right she was.

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"we agreed a short drive"  -  60 fucking miles 

Eyesight test for driving test, read plate at 20 meters if you cant', YOU FAIL and licence taken away 

 

"We had no interactions with anybody"  FULL OF bloddy LIES as the TEACHER SPOTTED HIM you joker https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/24/witness-complains-to-police-about-dominic-cummings-as-pressure-mounts

 

Ok, I've had a few glasses of whine, my husband said to me I looked a bit tipsy - as I'm driving  doing a round trip of 600 miles we better go for a short drive to see if my eyes are ok

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 TheGuardian! lmao.. the greatest manipulator of our time. Governments have nothing on them. Be my guest you carry on falling for the rhetoric, spin, and lies. 

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 So your sources are just absolutely right and the rest of the entire media and members of the Tory party who resigned out of disgust for Cummings lies  are just absolutely wrong. 

Okay doke.You stay in your fantasyland, it harms nobody else after all.

The one main rule of lockdown,  the point of the whole blasted thing was to stay in your home and self isolate if you had symptoms. Cummings didn't just have symptoms which could of been something other, he had Covid. That man was told to go nowhere..by rules HE wrote.  

It's a farce but in fairness the Tories always pull stunt like this just not quite so blatant, it was his arrogance and refusal to apologise that has done for him. He may not have issued his resignation but he is now a national joke. This is great news for Labour at least.

Nobody in their right mind goes for a drive if they fear their vision is blurry..it's hilarious. They would refuse to drive if anything  until they knew their eyesight was 100%. He admitted to going for a drive to test his eyesight  in the rose garden interview.  His own words.

The source is dodgy, and known for manipulation and spin, I agree. Nobody believes a word.

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 Katharine Viner will be proud.

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Boris made this lady very powerful by promoting her to the post of attorney general of the UK.
Surely with great power comes great responsibility and some labour MP's are quite annoyed that she waded into this row to speak in defence of cummings.
Shouldn't she be strictly neutral?
After all she was the one who told high court judges to "keep out of politics".


The Durham police force cleared cummings of wrongdoing very quickly … but frankly, if the head of the supreme court has already declared him innocent beforehand then it might have seem pointless for the police to bother?


Senior tories sticking up for each other - and sod everyone else.





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I remember another time when the PM at the time David Cameron meddled in a court case.
Nigella - the daughter of an ex chancellor of the exchequer - was in a high court case involving her personal assistants and Cameron publicly stuck up for Nigella. That was bang out of order. ( She still lost the case anyway.)

Shameless bias from people who should know better. 

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The Durham police force cleared cummings of wrongdoing very quickly … but frankly, if the head of the supreme court has already declared him innocent beforehand then it might have seem pointless for the police to bother?

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If this was put on Twitter it would deserve a hefty fact-checking label.

The police haven't 'cleared cummings of wrongdoing'. Only a court can do that. They have instead said he committed a breach but they won't be taking retrospective action.

She isn't 'head of the supreme court'. If you're thinking of its President, that's someone else.

She hasn't 'declared him innocent'. Again, only a court can do that. 

The police act independently of the Crown Prosecution Service, and the Crown Prosecution Service acts independently of the Attorney General, her opinion is neither here nor there when it comes to their decision making.

As always it's best to check things out before spouting misinformation, and follow the old advice - CHECK BRAIN IS ENGAGED BEFORE PUTTING MOUTH IN GEAR.

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 Nicely done. Ok more Cumming's discussion then. Why not. Starmer called for Cumming's to go. And yet 4 Labour MPs broke lock down rules. He didn't call for them to go. These Labour MPs clearly have constituents to set an example for. Unlike Cumming's. Of course most of the MSM haven't given these Labour transgressions a mention.

Ultimately if we are to play a tit-for-tat game here. We could do this all day. I could start with Alistair Campbell dodgy dossier. And go from there. 

Corruption of varying degrees has gone on within both of the main Political parties for years. 

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 30th of May 2020 02:34:57 AM

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 Seriously?

I'd rather stick pins in my eyes!! 

JP don't take this the wrong way. I know you are an ok person - but I  have no wish to  "discuss"  any of this.

I've done what I came to do in this thread. People were posting opinions that I fully agreed with, and wanted to add my own views too.

Didn't say a single word to you - till you addressed me lol. 

Enjoy your day. x

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 I was pointing out tit-for-tat Political point scoring could be done all day in this thread.

I don't want to go down Tory versus Labour route. But on the other hand someone needs to point out the hypocrisies within The Labour Party. On this site that person is mainly me. 

I'll try. Enjoy your day as well. :)

All were forbidden to leave their  home for 14 days with the virus. The main and most important rule of lockdown.

People who fear they can not see properly  do not risk taking their spouse on her birthday  for a longish drive.  Maybe someone dim would chance going around the block. But most wouldn't do it at all, driving is not a way to test ones eyesight as you could endanger passenger's,  yourself,  other motorists and pedestrians.

I feel going onto other minor details is irrelevant as you end up getting tied up in knots by a person pulling strings, eager to deflect away from the fundamental point.

Cummings had the virus and he left his home. This was forbidden.  The slogan was :Stay at Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives. 

I don't see why anyone needs go further than that when engaging with people who want to discuss things that are not relevant to that one fact alone. So don't do it. Repeat the lockdown rule like a mantra if any petty bullocks are attempted to sidetrack debate.

He had Covid and did not self isolate, he took an extensive Road trip. End of.

The British public took the instruction very seriously and didn't even see dying relatives to protect the NHS. That's why they are quite rightly bitter and angry, but mostly heartbroken at the unjust nature of one rule for the elite and another for the rest of us. Apparently he intends to resign in 6 months, this may or may not come to fruition. But if he did the Tories would still least have a chance at winning elections again.  Boris was falling on his sword and destroying all the Goodwill the public felt towards him by covering up for Cummings. I'm not keen on the PM but since early he did not break the rules, it did seem unfair the entire Tory party would suffer due to one man's cowardly deceit.

Who knows, once Cummings is a thankfully distant memory the Tory party may regain their former recent goodwill  with the electorate.

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The Durham police force cleared cummings of wrongdoing very quickly … but frankly, if the head of the supreme court has already declared him innocent beforehand then it might have seem pointless for the police to bother?

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If this was put on Twitter it would deserve a hefty fact-checking label.

The police haven't 'cleared cummings of wrongdoing'. Only a court can do that. They have instead said he committed a breach but they won't be taking retrospective action.

She isn't 'head of the supreme court'. If you're thinking of its President, that's someone else.

She hasn't 'declared him innocent'. Again, only a court can do that. 

The police act independently of the Crown Prosecution Service, and the Crown Prosecution Service acts independently of the Attorney General, her opinion is neither here nor there when it comes to their decision making.

 

As always it's best to check things out before spouting misinformation, and follow the old advice - CHECK BRAIN IS ENGAGED BEFORE PUTTING MOUTH IN GEAR.

 

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 'may have' a lot of people 'may have' done a lot of things. lol The Police took no action. Guess what that means not enough evidence. 

A Court? You have to be charged first.

What are you going on about! 

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 Someone else needs to go on the fact-checking list.

No action in this case could mean 'not in the public interest'. Neither you nor I know though.

And exactly - you have to be charged to court first, only in court can you be 'declared innocent' - in law nobody else can.