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Digger · Admin

Everyone MUST wear face coverings on trains, buses, aircraft and ferries in England from June 15 or be FINED £80

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I can see face mask manufacturers and sellers hiking their prices up as we speak.

Magica · Go Outside

I can't wear masks, just aswell I can drive then.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
I can't wear masks, just aswell I can drive then.

Talk now of people needing to wear masks in all enclosed spaces.

Magica · Go Outside

I saw that today Syl, isn't it a bit late in the day? We were told don't wear them, now they want us to. Sick of these do's and dont's tbh.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
I saw that today Syl, isn't it a bit late in the day? We were told don't wear them, now they want us to. Sick of these do's and dont's tbh.

Yep....they have backtracked considerably on the issue of mask wearing.

Hospitals have now been added to public transport where it will be mandatory to wear a mask before admittance.

Date: Jun 5 7:40 PM, 2020

Why now? So many professionals saying the crises is over.

UPMC doctor says COVID-19 has become ‘less prevalent’ and isn’t making people as sick

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/upmc-doctor-says-covid-19-has-become-less-prevalent-and-less-severe.html

Why are they allowing protests to go on and yet mass gatherings are banned still? Police are even giving permission for these protests, yet people will be fined for not wearing a mask. if you cannot see something is very wrong with this then I don't know what to say.

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
Why now? So many professionals saying the crises is over.

UPMC doctor says COVID-19 has become ‘less prevalent’ and isn’t making people as sick

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/upmc-doctor-says-covid-19-has-become-less-prevalent-and-less-severe.html

Why are they allowing protests to go on and yet mass gatherings are banned still? Police are even giving permission for these protests, yet people will be fined for not wearing a mask. if you cannot see something is very wrong with this then I don't know what to say.

Because as always the authorities are so shit scared of being accused of 'racism' they will do anything to avoid it even if it puts thousands of lives at risk.

The first time I have heard a peep out of anyone was when today the Health Secretary asked for people to follow the rules this weekend and not join in mass protests (which have nothing to do with the UK anyway) and I confidently predict they won't and nothing will be done about it.

JP · Burning up the forum

Anonymous wrote:
Why now? So many professionals saying the crises is over.

UPMC doctor says COVID-19 has become ‘less prevalent’ and isn’t making people as sick

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/06/upmc-doctor-says-covid-19-has-become-less-prevalent-and-less-severe.html

Why are they allowing protests to go on and yet mass gatherings are banned still? Police are even giving permission for these protests, yet people will be fined for not wearing a mask. if you cannot see something is very wrong with this then I don't know what to say.

What do you want done about protests exactly? Well in some respects maybe we need a Trump in charge here then. Essentially Trump is the only leader of a major Country who isn't scared to threaten drastic action if protesters don't behave and bugger off. He's the only leader of a major Country who isn't scared of MSM.

The UK Government is too scared of MSM and have been for a while. Mainstream media is far too powerful in this Country. Mark my words they stir and cause a lot of issues in this Country directly and indirectly.

-- Edited by JP on Friday 5th of June 2020 08:54:06 PM

Vicks · Burning up the forum

This is only in England at the moment but it's reckoned Jockland will follow suit.

I'll be exempt though because I have Asthma.

Asthma attacks are quite terrifying and I imagine wearing a mask would make it a 100 x worse.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

Well I for one won’t be going on public transport.

But I think it’s a bit late, everyone should have been wearing masks at the beginning

but scientists said they made no difference.
Politicians have been winging it, you don’t know who to listen too.

If scientists can’t get it right then there is know hope.

Politicians now are only interested in get the country back to normal, but

there are certain areas of the country that are over 1 in the R ratings.

They lifted the lockdown way too soon, they should of left it till the ratio for all

towns were better than they are now.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Where I live has the highest infection rates now in the country. People are being strongly advised not to send any children back into schools till July at the earliest.
The death rate is still high round here, and tbh, seeing the way some local people have acted throughout this pandemic, not following lockdown or social distancing rules, I'm not surprised.
The government now seem to have lost the plot a bit....the mask wearing and the 2 week quarantine rule for incoming flights, though they do explain their reasons for introducing those rules so late in the day, seem to be grating with a lot of people.

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
Well I for one won’t be going on public transport.
But I think it’s a bit late, everyone should have been wearing masks at the beginning
but scientists said they made no difference.
Politicians have been winging it, you don’t know who to listen too.
If scientists can’t get it right then there is know hope.
Politicians now are only interested in get the country back to normal, but
there are certain areas of the country that are over 1 in the R ratings.
They lifted the lockdown way too soon, they should of left it till the ratio for all
towns were better than they are now.

If the Scientists and other experts don't know definitive answers. That's just how it is. No ones fault as such. We don't know the answers to everything. If only!

There are going to be local/hotspot lockdowns I suspect. The overall R when all studies are taken into account, is still 0.7 to 0.9 for the UK.

That is the last figures that I read. Unless it's changed today.

And after all of this time the economy does have to be seriously thought about whether people may like that or not. We can't gt away from that.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Well I for one won’t be going on public transport.
But I think it’s a bit late, everyone should have been wearing masks at the beginning
but scientists said they made no difference.
Politicians have been winging it, you don’t know who to listen too.
If scientists can’t get it right then there is know hope.
Politicians now are only interested in get the country back to normal, but
there are certain areas of the country that are over 1 in the R ratings.
They lifted the lockdown way too soon, they should of left it till the ratio for all
towns were better than they are now.

If the Scientists and other experts don't know definitive answers. That's just how it is. No ones fault as such. We don't know the answers to everything. If only!
There are going to be local/hotspot lockdowns I suspect. The overall R when all studies are taken into account, is still 0.7 to 0.9 for the UK.
That is the last figures that I read. Unless it's changed today.
And after all of this time the economy does have to be seriously thought about whether people may like that or not. We can't gt away from that.

The figures in the south west and the north west are over 1 JP.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Well I for one won’t be going on public transport.
But I think it’s a bit late, everyone should have been wearing masks at the beginning
but scientists said they made no difference.
Politicians have been winging it, you don’t know who to listen too.
If scientists can’t get it right then there is know hope.
Politicians now are only interested in get the country back to normal, but
there are certain areas of the country that are over 1 in the R ratings.
They lifted the lockdown way too soon, they should of left it till the ratio for all
towns were better than they are now.

If the Scientists and other experts don't know definitive answers. That's just how it is. No ones fault as such. We don't know the answers to everything. If only!
There are going to be local/hotspot lockdowns I suspect. The overall R when all studies are taken into account, is still 0.7 to 0.9 for the UK.
That is the last figures that I read. Unless it's changed today.
And after all of this time the economy does have to be seriously thought about whether people may like that or not. We can't gt away from that.

Check out Lancs Live.

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
Where I live has the highest infection rates now in the country. People are being strongly advised not to send any children back into schools till July at the earliest.
The death rate is still high round here, and tbh, seeing the way some local people have acted throughout this pandemic, not following lockdown or social distancing rules, I'm not surprised.
The government now seem to have lost the plot a bit....the mask wearing and the 2 week quarantine rule for incoming flights, though they do explain their reasons for introducing those rules so late in the day, seem to be grating with a lot of people.

What can they do without clear science and definitive answers on some issues. Scientists and experts seem to change their mind regular.

Also as I said the other day there are far too many of them putting an opinion into the mix. Why has SAGE got over 50 members. These people should stop appearing on Sky News etc as well. Too many opinions out there will only cloud the thought processes of decision makers. I'd love to know how many experts have been 'involved' in other Countries.

Who would want these decisions. It actually shows that Boris did actually follow the science. On things such as masks and quarantine. Until recently! Notice how no expert was at yesterdays briefing for the first time. Regarding masks and quarantine you've heard many times experts explain in their own words about how general public wearing masks is of very little benefit, if any at all. You've heard them explain the quarantine situation. The Government clearly went with what they said. Until recently.

In hindsight probably would have been better for the Government to just make up their own minds more.

It's a no win situation whatever though.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 6th of June 2020 03:08:01 PM

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Well I for one won’t be going on public transport.
But I think it’s a bit late, everyone should have been wearing masks at the beginning
but scientists said they made no difference.
Politicians have been winging it, you don’t know who to listen too.
If scientists can’t get it right then there is know hope.
Politicians now are only interested in get the country back to normal, but
there are certain areas of the country that are over 1 in the R ratings.
They lifted the lockdown way too soon, they should of left it till the ratio for all
towns were better than they are now.

If the Scientists and other experts don't know definitive answers. That's just how it is. No ones fault as such. We don't know the answers to everything. If only!
There are going to be local/hotspot lockdowns I suspect. The overall R when all studies are taken into account, is still 0.7 to 0.9 for the UK.
That is the last figures that I read. Unless it's changed today.
And after all of this time the economy does have to be seriously thought about whether people may like that or not. We can't gt away from that.
The figures in the south west and the north west are over 1 JP.

Ok. But according to which study? What method is being used in the study that claims its over 1?

It more complicated than just saying its over 1.

I'm trying to catch up now. lol Reading various sources. I'll reply here again later.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Nudging above 1 in some areas obviously means that the virus is spreading more in some areas.
Infection and death rate is higher in the NW now than in any other part of the country.

The only answer I can see is cut back on loosening the lockdown in those areas.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Well I for one won’t be going on public transport.
But I think it’s a bit late, everyone should have been wearing masks at the beginning
but scientists said they made no difference.
Politicians have been winging it, you don’t know who to listen too.
If scientists can’t get it right then there is know hope.
Politicians now are only interested in get the country back to normal, but
there are certain areas of the country that are over 1 in the R ratings.
They lifted the lockdown way too soon, they should of left it till the ratio for all
towns were better than they are now.

If the Scientists and other experts don't know definitive answers. That's just how it is. No ones fault as such. We don't know the answers to everything. If only!
There are going to be local/hotspot lockdowns I suspect. The overall R when all studies are taken into account, is still 0.7 to 0.9 for the UK.
That is the last figures that I read. Unless it's changed today.
And after all of this time the economy does have to be seriously thought about whether people may like that or not. We can't gt away from that.
The figures in the south west and the north west are over 1 JP.
Ok. But according to which study? What method is being used in the study that claims its over 1?
It more complicated than just saying its over 1.
I'm trying to catch up now. lol Reading various sources. I'll reply here again later.

I live here in the north west JP, I am not making stuff up.

You get back to me when you get all your facts.
Even where Syl lives the R has gone up !

JP · Burning up the forum

After reading the latest info I can find. Yeah for sure I can see the South West and North West having a local or hotspot lockdown.

Although, any easing of lockdown is bound to cause a shift. It was expected. They actually said that at the time.

I also recall that some Countries in Europe initially saw a slight shift in R, and then they seemed to have gone quiet about it. All still seems fine in these places.

Those frigging ongoing protests are fucking up London that is pretty much for sure. They were down to 0.4 there a week or so ago. Those people are fucking up all the previous good work done by the masses in London. They had a far lower R rate than any other part of the Country last week. Now they are in the same ballpark as most other places.