ChaoticMusings

Poca wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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In answer to the anon who stupidly said more whites are peodophiles in the UK than Asian....
That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.

That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.

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 Asian men target Muslim Asian children as well as white children. But it is not as well publicised as Muslim girls very rarely come forward due to the abuser usually being a family member. The statistics for sexual child abuse is that white males commit roughly 85% of the crime. The repulsive abhorrent act is rarely race motivated.  These men are deviants, compelled to act out sexual violence against children and overall race is not usually a factor. Sexual acts against children are primarily a sex crime. Possibly the worthy topic needs it's own thread.

The list posted above of black people is only a tiny percentage of people slain for their skin colour , one was a child, which is thankfully being supported hugely on Twitter. It highlights with bitterly heartbreaking clarity  how black people endure terrible abuse due to the colour of their skin.

These poor men and women were killed for simply going to the shops or birdwatching, attending parties, things white people would never fear doing. But sadly this is the reality of life for black people. Racism in the police force is rife especially in America and has been covered up for way to long. When racism takes the form of murder and people are being slaughtered for the colour of their skin by those who are meant to protect them and ensure their safety no one can argue that racism is completely out of control. 

I do understand why people may dislike the term White Privellege, but if anyone here honestly fears that going to the shops,  Cashing a Cheque or reading a book in their car will result in their death I would be most surprised. The loathing of black people is also far more prevalent  in America and the police brutality totally unchecked.

Admitting White Privellege exists is the same as saying racism exists and no one is denying that. The problem is where to go from here.

Michelle Obama who admitted she has experienced racism many times says all she  feels she can do to halt the hatred white people must feel is to carry on as normal. To continue being a good mother, doing the chores etc so white people can see there is nothing to fear. I found that quite moving. Skin colour is just that,  a colour. How can anybody hate or fear a  colour enough to kill someone for it.

Constructive  ideas on how to deal with violent racists  is what is needed now. Both here and in the US. Education is key. Maybe teaching children fairly early on how looking different has no bearing on a person being 'good ' or 'bad '. But if that child goes home to hear racist rhetoric all the good work will be undone, I admit I have no answers. Does anyone have any ideas how such ingrained needless prejudices can be changed? 

Putting our heads in the sand is not working, there has to be a better way. Hopefully white people will care enough to find one rather than pursuing  their own agenda's or wasting time being affronted. Because black people deserve a dialogue on the discrimination and death they may face, on the terrifying fear they feel everyday.

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What a load of self indulgEd bollocks..... so white people dont feel fear in mainly black populated areas?.... go give your head a wobble.... fucking idiot! 

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 They aren't murdered though are they, 

What places are you referring to btw? Why is the nation supporting the BLM movement if there's no truth to it? So you are saying that the heartbreaking murders of black people being slain due to deep seated racism is "self indulgent bollocks "??

Do you fear for your safety when reading a book in your car? A lady doing just that was murdered because she was black.

I think you need to consult the news and other social media, a black man was murdered by a white policeman just because he was black.He pleaded that he couldn't breathe and was ignored. It caused a bit of a fuss.

Does Stephen Lawrence ring any bells? ? So white people are (apparently ) frightened and black people are definately murdered.

Good point Poca (!) Thanks 4 contributing..

Syl wrote:

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I think every right thinking person was appalled by the murder of George Floyd, it's been discussed at length on here and most other forums, the cops who participated are facing justice.
The holding technique used on him has been used on others. There is video of another man being killed by cops in the exact same way....even worse the cops were laughing whilst the man lay dead in the street.
No one made a fuss about that, mind you, he was white, killed by white cops, so it doesn't count does it.

The name was Tony Timpa...look it up if you can summon up any outrage, though I doubt you will.

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 Why are you so offended? Who asked you to apologise for being white? Put your brain into gear and quit the defensiveness, no one is attacking you. Where is the video of black cops killing and laughing while killing a white man? acknowledging racial inequality isn’t the same as admitting guilt for being racist yourselves. You appear to be conflating the two.

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@anon

You think I'm going to google all of those names separately. And read the detail about every single one! Come on now. I was hoping for a link where a well-known website has the details of your claims written out in an article.

Here's something to ponder though.

thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2019/no-need-to-plead-guilty/

And this Country the UK is absolutely leaps and bounds ahead of America and pretty much any other Country on the planet. When it comes to race relations. Our Policing system is entirely different to that of America.

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 I quickly checked out two of the names. One man supposedly slain by the police according to anon is alive and well and posting his videos on Youtube.

Another had a loaded gun in his sock according to police...two sides to every story.

No one is saying that NO US police are racist , I'm sure a minority, as in all walks of like,  are.....but if anon wants to be taken seriously he should do a bit of research instead of blindly believing everything he reads online.

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@anon

You think I'm going to google all of those names separately. And read the detail about every single one! Come on now. I was hoping for a link where a well-known website has the details of your claims written out in an article.

Here's something to ponder though.

thecritic.co.uk/issues/december-2019/no-need-to-plead-guilty/

And this Country the UK is absolutely leaps and bounds ahead of America and pretty much any other Country on the planet. When it comes to race relations. Our Policing system is entirely different to that of America.

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 Anon thinks you have nothing better to do 

Syl wrote:

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Anon seems overly fixated with what has happened in America and is determined to confuse the society in some parts on America with the society we (most of us who post here are British) live with here.

Also comparing the way some Muslim men treat their own wives and daughters and pretending the grooming of young white kids....which has gone on for DECADES in towns and cities across the UK is the same sort of abuse... is like comparing apples with oranges.

Do you not see the crime is a RACIST crime, if you dont you are obviously looking at this with blinkers on.

Racism works both ways. Constantly banging on about the way blacks are treated by us horrible white people and ignoring the way whites are treated by those horrible black people doesn't wash.

I don't want to be a noble white person grovelling along on one knee thanks very much. I show my respect by treating everyone, no matter the colour, the same as I wish to be treated myself. Far better than hamming it up in front of the cameras, or posting ridiculous pics on social media to prove to total strangers how very WOKE I am.

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An excellent post, and the last paragraph especially is spot on.

You also mentioned Tony Timpa - where are the mass demonstrations of posturing woke grief for him and others like him?

But as you say as he was white his death does not count and does not fit the narrative of the noble and oppressed black victim (terrible as George's death was he was a career criminal and not the uber-saint portrayed by the media).

The US police are very heavily armed and have far more brutal restraint methods then the UK force which is about as different as it is possible to be.

It is inevitable in a country obsessed with guns that death by cop (of all races) is a common occurrence.

The shit our force members often have to put up with from scumbags actually proves how incredibly restrained they actually are (look at Brixton the other week).

Videos posted on social media in the UK are often cut and edited out of context to show any instance of 'racism' by 'the feds' in the worst possible light.

Poca wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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In answer to the anon who stupidly said more whites are peodophiles in the UK than Asian....
That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.

That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.

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 Asian men target Muslim Asian children as well as white children. But it is not as well publicised as Muslim girls very rarely come forward due to the abuser usually being a family member. The statistics for sexual child abuse is that white males commit roughly 85% of the crime. The repulsive abhorrent act is rarely race motivated.  These men are deviants, compelled to act out sexual violence against children and overall race is not usually a factor. Sexual acts against children are primarily a sex crime. Possibly the worthy topic needs it's own thread.

The list posted above of black people is only a tiny percentage of people slain for their skin colour , one was a child, which is thankfully being supported hugely on Twitter. It highlights with bitterly heartbreaking clarity  how black people endure terrible abuse due to the colour of their skin.

These poor men and women were killed for simply going to the shops or birdwatching, attending parties, things white people would never fear doing. But sadly this is the reality of life for black people. Racism in the police force is rife especially in America and has been covered up for way to long. When racism takes the form of murder and people are being slaughtered for the colour of their skin by those who are meant to protect them and ensure their safety no one can argue that racism is completely out of control. 

I do understand why people may dislike the term White Privellege, but if anyone here honestly fears that going to the shops,  Cashing a Cheque or reading a book in their car will result in their death I would be most surprised. The loathing of black people is also far more prevalent  in America and the police brutality totally unchecked.

Admitting White Privellege exists is the same as saying racism exists and no one is denying that. The problem is where to go from here.

Michelle Obama who admitted she has experienced racism many times says all she  feels she can do to halt the hatred white people must feel is to carry on as normal. To continue being a good mother, doing the chores etc so white people can see there is nothing to fear. I found that quite moving. Skin colour is just that,  a colour. How can anybody hate or fear a  colour enough to kill someone for it.

Constructive  ideas on how to deal with violent racists  is what is needed now. Both here and in the US. Education is key. Maybe teaching children fairly early on how looking different has no bearing on a person being 'good ' or 'bad '. But if that child goes home to hear racist rhetoric all the good work will be undone, I admit I have no answers. Does anyone have any ideas how such ingrained needless prejudices can be changed? 

Putting our heads in the sand is not working, there has to be a better way. Hopefully white people will care enough to find one rather than pursuing  their own agenda's or wasting time being affronted. Because black people deserve a dialogue on the discrimination and death they may face, on the terrifying fear they feel everyday.

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What a load of self indulged bollocks..... so white people dont feel fear, intimidation, vulnerable, threatened in mainly black populated areas?.... go give your head a wobble.... fucking idiot! 

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 Can I ask why you think white people are afraid of being in "mainly black populated areas" Poca?

I just don't understand why they would be afraid of black people in particular so could you elaborate.

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Poca wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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In answer to the anon who stupidly said more whites are peodophiles in the UK than Asian....
That's hardly surprising when less than 2% of UK residents are from Pakistan and less than 5% of the population are Muslim.

That was not the point though, ALL paodophiles are damaged and dangerous, where the grooming gangs differed was the fact they were not only grooming and raping often underage girls, they were targeting white girls, which also made it a racist crime.

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 Asian men target Muslim Asian children as well as white children. But it is not as well publicised as Muslim girls very rarely come forward due to the abuser usually being a family member. The statistics for sexual child abuse is that white males commit roughly 85% of the crime. The repulsive abhorrent act is rarely race motivated.  These men are deviants, compelled to act out sexual violence against children and overall race is not usually a factor. Sexual acts against children are primarily a sex crime. Possibly the worthy topic needs it's own thread.

The list posted above of black people is only a tiny percentage of people slain for their skin colour , one was a child, which is thankfully being supported hugely on Twitter. It highlights with bitterly heartbreaking clarity  how black people endure terrible abuse due to the colour of their skin.

These poor men and women were killed for simply going to the shops or birdwatching, attending parties, things white people would never fear doing. But sadly this is the reality of life for black people. Racism in the police force is rife especially in America and has been covered up for way to long. When racism takes the form of murder and people are being slaughtered for the colour of their skin by those who are meant to protect them and ensure their safety no one can argue that racism is completely out of control. 

I do understand why people may dislike the term White Privellege, but if anyone here honestly fears that going to the shops,  Cashing a Cheque or reading a book in their car will result in their death I would be most surprised. The loathing of black people is also far more prevalent  in America and the police brutality totally unchecked.

Admitting White Privellege exists is the same as saying racism exists and no one is denying that. The problem is where to go from here.

Michelle Obama who admitted she has experienced racism many times says all she  feels she can do to halt the hatred white people must feel is to carry on as normal. To continue being a good mother, doing the chores etc so white people can see there is nothing to fear. I found that quite moving. Skin colour is just that,  a colour. How can anybody hate or fear a  colour enough to kill someone for it.

Constructive  ideas on how to deal with violent racists  is what is needed now. Both here and in the US. Education is key. Maybe teaching children fairly early on how looking different has no bearing on a person being 'good ' or 'bad '. But if that child goes home to hear racist rhetoric all the good work will be undone, I admit I have no answers. Does anyone have any ideas how such ingrained needless prejudices can be changed? 

Putting our heads in the sand is not working, there has to be a better way. Hopefully white people will care enough to find one rather than pursuing  their own agenda's or wasting time being affronted. Because black people deserve a dialogue on the discrimination and death they may face, on the terrifying fear they feel everyday.

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What a load of self indulged bollocks..... so white people dont feel fear, intimidation, vulnerable, threatened in mainly black populated areas?.... go give your head a wobble.... fucking idiot! 

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 Can I ask why you think white people are afraid of being in "mainly black populated areas" Poca?

I just don't understand why they would be afraid of black people in particular so could you elaborate.

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 You don't think these kind of areas exist?

Personally I don't like 'segregation' type chat. You hear it a lot though on the news etc etc

It only sets up a thought process in many people of them and us. Muslim community this, black community that etc It may seem and sound like a good thing to some. But imo it creates more of a them and us. Rightly or wrongly that is the impression it will give to some people.

Syl wrote:

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Racism works both ways. Constantly banging on about the way blacks are treated by us horrible white people and ignoring the way whites are treated by those horrible black people doesn't wash.

I don't want to be a noble white person grovelling along on one knee thanks very much. I show my respect by treating everyone, no matter the colour, the same as I wish to be treated myself. Far better than hamming it up in front of the cameras, or posting ridiculous pics on social media to prove to total strangers how very WOKE I am.

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 Syl I will not prolong this but to show respect and love to people who have been tortured and murdered for decades is not "woke". I don't have much time for silly buzzwords like that anyway, they mean nothing in the real world.

People  don't have to kneel if they think that is somehow demeaning, they can still show their support. But you are wrong to state those who are doing are doing so for the camera's. That may be your opinion but it's not a fact, and considering relatives of people killed by racist police have taken the knee I think it's a bit unkind.

As for your first paragraph you seem to think I'm talking about British people when I say White people. I don't, I mean any white men who historically engaged in slavery,  invaded countries where black people lived and called them their property. 

However the one comment I do feel saddened about is you saying that white people have been treated poorly by black people also, stating its not all one way.

Do you believe the races have treated each other equally? . Black people were murdered due to their skin colour,  enslaved and  tortured,  deemed second class citizens. Black people have certainly been treated far worse by white people historically and now. If you know all about the historic slavery  and the murders of black people by racist white police I don't see how you can possibly say white people suffer equal horrific treatment from black people. But if that's your opinion there is nothing more to say.

I hate speaking this way because it's not a contest, no race is superior or inferior to another. Supporting another race and showing you feel for their plight is not demeaning. .! But to deny the racism black people receive and have endured in the past just isn't fair imo.