ChaoticMusings

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Fair enough, I hope your softer side comes out in future, JD. Not just in racial issues but in how you relate to all your fellow human beings of all colours, races, creeds. 

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 Tbf I've always found JD to be fair, and not at all biased.  He retaliates like others do,  when attacked, but I've always seen him as a nice man and poster.    Whatever he was on other forums is of no importance here.

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 Quite.

People should concentrate on their own behaviour on other forums before thet start criticising others.

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 That's an unfair comment Syl.  

What behaviour  of mine would you like me to ''concentrate'' on?

JD has just said there that he retaliates when attacked and I agree with that, cos I  have the exact attitude. 

People leave me alone and I leave them alone. But if they jump on me I will not roll over and play dead, I will respond.

 

 

My post had nothing to do with his issues on Dogs, btw. I never mentioned Dogs.

I made that post to him today  cos I get on well with him and consider him a friend.

If I did not get on well with him, I'd have said nothing to him, whatever his views. 

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 No I dont think it's an unfair comment at all.

Merely saying that you for one should concentrate on your own behaviour on other forums before you start preaching to others. It comes across as hypocritical.

Maybe you dont see all the flak JD gets on here from big brave anons, if he retaliates he is only doing what you do....and he seldom goes as far as you do, whether in retaliation or not.

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Yes of course he's got a right to retaliate against anons, Syl.
I retaliate too, when anons have a go at me unfairly. Good for him!

I don't even think having a guestposting facilty is a good idea, I think it should be abolished on all forums, that's how strongly I feel about anons.
Not made a single guest post in nearly a decade, I'm always upfront, for better or for worse.

Like I said, I have always been able to speak freely to JD without him taking umbrage.
As you were . . . . .

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 Well whatever we say at least we are all able to post under our names without resorting to hiding behind anonymity! 

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Yes of course he's got a right to retaliate against anons, Syl.
I retaliate too, when anons have a go at me unfairly. Good for him!

I don't even think having a guestposting facilty is a good idea, I think it should be abolished on all forums, that's how strongly I feel about anons.
Not made a single guest post in nearly a decade, I'm always upfront, for better or for worse.

Like I said, I have always been able to speak freely to JD without him taking umbrage.
As you were . . . . .

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 That's nice, as long as you don't mind people speaking freely (some may say it's more like talking down to) in return.

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Judge a person by their behaviour. That's all you need to do.

The above needs to be stringently taught to all.

For many of us however it is very basic obvious stuff, that we have already lived by basically all of our lives. I certainly have.

Everyone is the same. Behaviour is what differentiates people.

Two men beat up a different old lady. One man happens to be black one happens to be white. Who the fuck cares about their colour.

Everyone can agree both of them are scum the lowest of the low.

Regularly people needlessly make things far too complicated. Very often if you go back to basics you can't go wrong.

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 I agree with you, it is behaviour not colour that matters. But it was not me that wanted a contest.

I mentioned the brutal murders commited by racist police and these tragedies were met with "but look at what happens to white people" all through the thread. I never once disputed that racism occurs to white people but frankly no, I don't think there is the same amount of white people murdered by black racists and I certainly think black people have historically suffered more barbaric injustices.

I wanted to know what posters thought we could do to move forward, how could racists,  yes in this case white ones who attempt to kill based on skin colour, be educated to accept  people are all equal and skin colour was irrelevant,

I despise segregation,  the very idea of it, but sorry if it offends but that was again a white man's creation. During the second world war segregation was rife in Britain even though Jamaican soldiers were fighting for their "mother country" because white people refused to be near them in any public place.

I do find it chilling that people honestly think that respecting the struggle of the black community is somehow staged or unfair to white people. I cannot fathom that mentality at all. 

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 Actually your list was compiled from false or biased info,  I only checked two names on it .....and you had it wrong both times.

I'm not sure where you plucked it from, but you shouldn't blindly believe everything you read on the internet and post it as if you have researched.

It makes everything else you write pointless.

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 Well Syl I checked two and they were deceased. I no longer wish to argue.

And it's a Twitter post being posted over and over again by people in the UK  I know some are definitely murders,  the others are  examples of things white people in America can do but black people cannot due to their skin colour. I apologised earlier in the thread when you said this.

 It is still a glaring example of racism,  but not all were murders.

People who were not killed were still arrested or blackmailed due to skin colour alone. A black lady was arrested for reading a book. Do you fear that will happen to you?

It was only a quarter of  the list. I may post the ones that are only murders if you feel it necessary, I know it is only my error not that the cases do not exist. If you want me to post only the racist deaths please respond and I shall,  I will just check every case so it may be a while. I have always maintained they are deaths caused by American police brutality though.

I am not biased  because I still believe there is work to do in regards to racism. I dont know why you took my posts personally.   I apologise when I am wrong or considered rude.

The murder of George Floyd is on the list, that alone does not make it pointless.  If racism was not still a huge problem BLM would surely not be supported so widely. 

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There are parallels between the US & UK ........ but the UK (and Europe in general) are far more advanced than the US. More progressive and more civilised than the US.

 

If perhaps you made your posts a bit briefer, guest - and more accurate of course - you will convey your message far more effectively. 

Nevertheless you made some excellent points, good on ya. 

 

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  Thankyou very much.  I am ill at present so not able to be articulate as I wish but have guest posted for a while. I read here as it is a forum you can debate on fairly.  I did write better counter arguments but got the flipping code wrong..! 

I have maintained thoughout that the US are far  more racist  than here and Syl hit the nail on the head when she posted that all  life is equal, no matter what skin colour a person has. 

I think people in the BLM movement just wish to support those suffering in America and show they emphasise with those in mourning. Society here  is radically different,  not allowing prejudices or bigotry of any kind when they come to light. There is always more work to do but we have come so far

Thankyou for your kind advice. :sunny:

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Yes of course he's got a right to retaliate against anons, Syl.
I retaliate too, when anons have a go at me unfairly. Good for him!

I don't even think having a guestposting facilty is a good idea, I think it should be abolished on all forums, that's how strongly I feel about anons.
Not made a single guest post in nearly a decade, I'm always upfront, for better or for worse.

Like I said, I have always been able to speak freely to JD without him taking umbrage.
As you were . . . . .

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 That's nice, as long as you don't mind people speaking freely (some may say it's more like talking down to) in return.

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 Talking down to people is a way of puffing yourself up to look more important than you are, often down to underlying feelings of inferiority or insecurity.

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 Yes I could learn so much from ahem  superior, secure types like you, lil miss psychologist.  eg ...... how to cower behind balaclavas & VPN's while clinging on to the coat tails of a moderator and using her words as a springboard to segue in your own nasty insults. Malicious secretive turds like you just make me laugh.

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So where is all the 'taking the knee' for the victims of black on black and ethnic minority gang and drive-by shootings which have surged in appalling fashion in places like New York, Atlanta, Philadelphia and Chicago over the last few weeksl?

Including many young children caught in the crossfire.

People can look it up for themselves as there are far too many links to post.

Does BLM only if it is a white person/cop committing the crime?

The silence is deafening and why have all the wokes here suddenly been struck dumb on the issue?

Sickening hypocrisy.

The police in these US cities have actually been criticised for not tackling violent criminals due to the demonstrations for fear of being accused of racism - and now some are saying they were racist for not tackling the violent black/ethnic gang members and protecting the community more.

They just can't fucking win can they?

 

 

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 I suspect some of your anger is not at the evident racist epidemic in America but because you don't feel white victims don't  get the same level of respect or outrage as black victims.

I can't agree with you about American police being too Politically correct to arrest black men though. They don't seem shy of it to me. You are right there are black gangs in the US dealing  drugs but there are also white gangs dealing in primarily meth. 

The whole reason for the gang culture  of both races and dealing/taking drugs is poverty. These youngsters live in ghettos, rarely any father role model and a mother either emotionless from drugs or busy with several children to feed and no job to speak of. So many mothers have to turn to prostitution to put food on the table.  I doubt these desperate  communities voted for Trump and he pretends they don't exist so they never get help.

Education is the way out and for actual real money to be put into housing , drug counselling etc. These youths, whatever their race, are deliberately ignored and isolated.  The gangs become their family and the streets their home. I can't imagine what a miserable existence that would be. It's all about priorities and the American  Government don't consider poverty one.

You cannot say anything to or about JD without his guard dogs jumping in. Its why so many left the forum.  Mind you,  I have noticed Digger and Twizzler have taken more of a back seat in defending him lately.   

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You cannot say anything to or about JD without his guard dogs jumping in. Its why so many left the forum.  Mind you,  I have noticed Digger and Twizzler have taken more of a back seat in defending him lately.   

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 Ooooh, you sound cross.

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 You sound crosser. 

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 Talking down to people is a way of puffing yourself up to look more important than you are, often down to underlying feelings of inferiority or insecurity.

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 Yes I could learn so much from ahem  superior, secure types like you, lil miss psychologist.  eg ...... how to cower behind balaclavas & VPN's while clinging on to the coat tails of a moderator and using her words as a springboard to segue in your own nasty insults. Malicious secretive turds like you just make me laugh.

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 I don't feel superior, I don't always feel secure, I'm not a 'miss', I don't use a VPN, I don't cling to moderators' coat tails, I wasn't being insulting and I'm not malicious or being secretive. Other than that you're spot on.