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John Doe · Still Here!

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Digger · Admin

At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.

Date: Jul 17 12:32 PM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Does anyone agree with this decision and if so why?
https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-court-rules-is-bride-can-return-to-uk-to-challenge-removal-of-british-citizenship-12029526

Presumably you'd agree as it gives her a better chance to appeal as is her right?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Does anyone agree with this decision and if so why?
https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-court-rules-is-bride-can-return-to-uk-to-challenge-removal-of-british-citizenship-12029526
Presumably you'd agree as it gives her a better chance to appeal as is her right?

What is your view?

Date: Jul 17 12:46 PM, 2020

Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Does anyone agree with this decision and if so why?
https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-court-rules-is-bride-can-return-to-uk-to-challenge-removal-of-british-citizenship-12029526
Presumably you'd agree as it gives her a better chance to appeal as is her right?
What is your view?

I think it gives her a better chance to appeal, as is her right.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Does anyone agree with this decision and if so why?
https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-court-rules-is-bride-can-return-to-uk-to-challenge-removal-of-british-citizenship-12029526
Presumably you'd agree as it gives her a better chance to appeal as is her right?
What is your view?
I think it gives her a better chance to appeal, as is her right.

So going by your own presumption you and JD agree on the matter.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

Digger wrote:
At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.

Yes we all probably have, but we aren’t terrorists.
She has made her bed, and definitely should not be allowed back

into the U.K.

It is all bollocks ! This country has gone to the dogs I.e Brexit and coronavirus!
Say no more.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

One has to wonder about the state of mind of the people who sat on the court of appeal and made this decision.

The Court of Appeal has now ruled that "the only way in which she can have a fair and effective appeal is to be permitted to come into the United Kingdom to pursue her appeal".

Lord Justice Flaux - sitting with Lady Justice King and Lord Justice Singh - said: "Fairness and justice must, on the facts of this case, outweigh the national security concerns, so that the leave to enter appeals should be allowed."

-- Edited by Syl on Friday 17th of July 2020 02:04:24 PM

BackGammon · Burning up the forum

Because of this every Tom, Abdul and Jihadi have the right to return to this country! They will be put in jail and released early and then they will disappear into the ether to carry on their Jihad but back here. Best get used to the sight of heads in bins and body parts blasted across the streets.

Date: Jul 17 4:56 PM, 2020

Digger wrote:
At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.

You think running away to support terrorists in a war is just the daft actions of a 15 year old?

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
Digger wrote:
At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.
Yes we all probably have, but we aren’t terrorists.
She has made her bed, and definitely should not be allowed back
into the U.K.
It is all bollocks ! This country has gone to the dogs I.e Brexit and coronavirus!
Say no more.

That's the increasingly Left MSM for you. And actually the court system, its not impartial as its suppose to be far from it. These things really do not help at all when it comes to situations like the one this thread is about.

Things rarely go the way of what the majority actually want. I bet you if you conducted a mass survey today the majority would say don't let her back here.

-- Edited by JP on Friday 17th of July 2020 06:12:11 PM

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Does anyone agree with this decision and if so why?
https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-court-rules-is-bride-can-return-to-uk-to-challenge-removal-of-british-citizenship-12029526
Presumably you'd agree as it gives her a better chance to appeal as is her right?

No.

In my opinion she lost her 'rights' when she went off to join the most murderous organisation of the 21st century and at 15 she knew exactly what she was doing (having access to the internet and studying the atrocities they had committed for a start) although her apologists will no doubt say differently.

She was not just a Daesh wife, she was a brutal enforcer and also stitched people into suicide vests and having now spent years in a camp full of such Jihadists do those who have made this judgment really think she has really changed her beliefs?

The will only have been enforced.

Perhaps those who have donated their bodies to medical science can be beheaded and dismembered and stuck in bins or strewn around so that she can feel right at home?

The bitch has shown absolutely no remorse and this ludicrous decision will bring hordes of fanatics wanting to come back to the country, a short jail sentence and then free to disappear back into society.

Our poor over-stretched security services must simply despair.

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 17th of July 2020 06:39:56 PM

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Digger wrote:
At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.
Yes we all probably have, but we aren’t terrorists.
She has made her bed, and definitely should not be allowed back
into the U.K.
It is all bollocks ! This country has gone to the dogs I.e Brexit and coronavirus!
Say no more.
That's the increasingly Left MSM for you. And actually the court system, its not impartial as its suppose to be far from it. These things really do not help at all when it comes to situations like the one this thread is about.
Things rarely go the way of what the majority actually want. I bet you if you conducted a mass survey today the majority would say don't let her back here.

-- Edited by JP on Friday 17th of July 2020 06:12:11 PM

Left MSM?

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Digger wrote:
At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.
Yes we all probably have, but we aren’t terrorists.
She has made her bed, and definitely should not be allowed back
into the U.K.
It is all bollocks ! This country has gone to the dogs I.e Brexit and coronavirus!
Say no more.
That's the increasingly Left MSM for you. And actually the court system, its not impartial as its suppose to be far from it. These things really do not help at all when it comes to situations like the one this thread is about.
Things rarely go the way of what the majority actually want. I bet you if you conducted a mass survey today the majority would say don't let her back here.

-- Edited by JP on Friday 17th of July 2020 06:12:11 PM
Left MSM?

Mainstream Media.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.
You think running away to support terrorists in a war is just the daft actions of a 15 year old?

I think at that age you make stupid, idiotic and life threatening decisions. Plenty of teenagers have killed themselves and others because their frontal lobe is undeveloped. I think she's an arse and I'd like to slap her into next week for being part of that vile regime, but that's not the subject of the OP.

What's more the issue here is that if they let her in, then every other wannabee Jihadi will want back. I think she should be tried for war crimes in Syria. She went out there to support murder. But the reality is this country gives air space to lawyers who make a fucking killing from this kind of thing. That's the real problem here in the UK.

Digger · Admin

John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Does anyone agree with this decision and if so why?
https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-court-rules-is-bride-can-return-to-uk-to-challenge-removal-of-british-citizenship-12029526
Presumably you'd agree as it gives her a better chance to appeal as is her right?
No.
In my opinion she lost her 'rights' when she went off to join the most murderous organisation of the 21st century and at 15 she knew exactly what she was doing (having access to the internet and studying the atrocities they had committed for a start) although her apologists will no doubt say differently.
She was not just a Daesh wife, she was a brutal enforcer and also stitched people into suicide vests and having now spent years in a camp full of such Jihadists do those who have made this judgment really think she has really changed her beliefs?
The will only have been enforced.
Perhaps those who have donated their bodies to medical science can be beheaded and dismembered and stuck in bins or strewn around so that she can feel right at home?
The bitch has shown absolutely no remorse and this ludicrous decision will bring hordes of fanatics wanting to come back to the country, a short jail sentence and then free to disappear back into society.
Our poor over-stretched security services must simply despair.

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 17th of July 2020 06:39:56 PM

In the eyes of the law, she was a minor when she left for Syria, so the case for her repatriation hinges on that.

Digger · Admin

BackGammon · Burning up the forum

Digger wrote:

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
At 15 you don't really know your own mind, and I'm sure we've all done daft things at that age, so that's the only thing about her that's an excuse. However, I think her life could well be made a misery in this country if she's allowed to go back into society.
You think running away to support terrorists in a war is just the daft actions of a 15 year old?
I think at that age you make stupid, idiotic and life threatening decisions. Plenty of teenagers have killed themselves and others because their frontal lobe is undeveloped. I think she's an arse and I'd like to slap her into next week for being part of that vile regime, but that's not the subject of the OP.
What's more the issue here is that if they let her in, then every other wannabee Jihadi will want back. I think she should be tried for war crimes in Syria. She went out there to support murder. But the reality is this country gives air space to lawyers who make a fucking killing from this kind of thing. That's the real problem here in the UK.

Spot on and how much fucking tax-payers money will be spent on protecting (and monitoring) the little darling if she does win her appeal?.

Date: Jul 17 11:47 PM, 2020

BackGammon wrote:
Because of this every Tom, Abdul and Jihadi have the right to return to this country! They will be put in jail and released early and then they will disappear into the ether to carry on their Jihad but back here. Best get used to the sight of heads in bins and body parts blasted across the streets.

For goodness’ sake - why are you so utterly negative in everything you post? Fuck off - Britain and it’s judiciary respect human rights which is a darn sight more than can be said for many countries. If we don’t give people a fair trial then what have we become?