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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

2020....The most miserable summer ever.

BackGammon · Burning up the forum

It was interesting to see who was lurking on here at the time that post was made.

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Twizzler · Burning up the forum

BackGammon wrote:
It was interesting to see who was lurking on here at the time that post was made.

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There has been quite a few lurking this morning

Date: Jul 30 12:18 PM, 2020

Syl wrote:
We have been promised a rare nice day in Manchester today....so far it's overcast and spitting with rain.
Fingers crossed the 25c promised will materialise before nightfall.

Yeah, not been the best July has it Syl :no:... thank goodness for weekly top ups with ‘Skinny Tan’

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Hi Poca...I am usually brown anyway, (possibly rust) I just love the sun....getting a nice glow is a bonus.

Maddog · Go Outside

JP wrote:
Syl wrote:
Personally I think travelling abroad at this time simply for pleasure is too big a gamble to take.
I know the travel companies are trying to tempt people back, but at what cost?
I know I've said it before. And it may be a simplistic reply.
But there are no great answers to be suggested by anyone. Any decision made will always have some adverse consequences for a number of people.
Everyone just has to live with it. What else can you do.

Exactly. You cant ignore the mental health problems associated with isolating a social species, or the economic factors when everything, including the government functions better with a working economy. Then you have the mental health factors of people losing businesses.

Just staying home and riding this out is not really a healthy or viable option for many. Someone has to keep the wheels greased.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I agree, it's actually a luxury to be able to stay at home if that's what you choose.
I would have been lost without internet ordering and food delivery service. The thought of having to rely on family to run around after me wouldn't have been a choice I would have liked to make., I am usually the one helping out others.

I think it's been difficult for many to accept help.

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
Even Shapps went to Spain, he took no notice of Boris’s
essential travel only

I blame Spain really. They had very low cases like 2 weeks ago. So appeared safer than many. And said they were safe.

BUT.. may be this thing can just rise very quickly now. And they couldn't foresee the rapid uptick coming at all.

I'll call Shapps foolish though and anyone else who thinks going on Holiday is a good idea right now.

Unless its to Grenada maybe. :D There are actually places where covid is currently considered gone!

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 30th of July 2020 04:29:40 PM

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 30th of July 2020 04:30:04 PM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

The Spanish island are pretty safe too...at least compared to here.

Jobless Oddball · Boring Twat.

Syl wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1311816/coronavirus-vaccine-UK-mandatory-vaccination-compulsory

"Under current UK law, vaccines are not compulsory."

That post proves you don't travel further than Lanzarote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
The Spanish island are pretty safe too...at least compared to here.

Bespoke plans are being spoke about still the last I heard. Imo I can see why they went blanket quarantine quickly though!

I still wouldn't go to anywhere in Europe right now however.

Grenada maybe an option though.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I am not even going to Wales right now....but we can dream.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
I am not even going to Wales right now....but we can dream.

Of Filey.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Jobless Oddball wrote:
Syl wrote:
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/health/1311816/coronavirus-vaccine-UK-mandatory-vaccination-compulsory

"Under current UK law, vaccines are not compulsory."

That post proves you don't travel further than Lanzarote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well it's farther away than Filey.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
I am not even going to Wales right now....but we can dream.
Of Filey.

Lol....snap.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I agree, it's actually a luxury to be able to stay at home if that's what you choose.
I would have been lost without internet ordering and food delivery service. The thought of having to rely on family to run around after me wouldn't have been a choice I would have liked to make., I am usually the one helping out others.

I think it's been difficult for many to accept help.

I used the word privileged a while back to describe a few government workers I know. Pissed them off but it's because it's true. It's a privilege to have the same paycheck deposited into your account every week, regardless of this pandemic. They stay home and the biggest loss they feel is a lack of socialization, which is significant but not like loss of income. There are people in all walks of life not making as much, and are working in industries that require people to get out of their home and buy things. These people have a much different look on this.

I'll post something from a buddy of mine and his Brewery.

"Today is a dark day here at The Hop.

Today we say goodbye to half of our staff, which we have had to lay off due to Governor Abbott’s arbitrary and, we believe, predatory decision to ONLY close bars and brewery taprooms in this second shutdown. Eight of our people and their families have been pushed unfairly into unemployment and an uncertain future because of his decision.

This may not sound like a lot to an economy that has lost millions. But to us, the deep regret and pain we feel is just as vast.

Since March 18, we have been forcibly closed a total of over 3 months. From the start, we risked even the future of the brewery to keep our staff employed. During this second arbitrary shutdown of just bars & brewery taprooms, we watch from our empty taproom as restaurants and especially their bars are filled, some with little regard for social distancing. The truth is this second shutdown is unfair to our industry, our customers and our staff. Those forced to make it on just to-go sales are severely hampered, because there are so many other choices available now for people to socialize and drink in public.

When we were allowed to open for a brief time in June, we far exceeded CDC and state guidelines to protect our staff and customers. We stand ready to do the same again. We believe breweries can and did lead the way in this effort.

We appreciate those of you who have purchased beer-to-go from us! You were instrumental in allowing us to hold it together for this long. We used well over 100% of those sales and tips to provide for our employees. If you purchased our beer in any of our many retailers around Texas, thank you! All of you are our heroes.

So now, as we send our staff into an unknown that we share with them, we are forced to curtail our curbside beer-to-go days. Going forward we will be open for curbside beer-to-go Thursday through Saturday from noon-8pm."

Date: Jul 31 5:46 AM, 2020

I think it's a real shame how those who have the luxury of not having to make the choice of food or bills today feel it's ok to call others who need to make those choices selfish. People are dying, people's business are going down all because of COVID and not because they have COVID. they are saying more people have died because of COVID than who have had it, But the relatives of those people are told to be quiet don't you know there is a pandemic going on, people are dying from COVID shut the fuck up.

As someone else on this board asked if you turned your TV off and didn't read the papers etc would you know there was a pandemic? No, I would not, but I would know we are going into a recession due to all the boarded-up stores and businesses.

I'm going to say this out loud, this is BS. something strange is going on and it's not about a virus

Date: Jul 31 5:54 AM, 2020

The COVID death rate without a vaccine is lower than flu deaths with a vaccine. Did we shut the world down for that? Its BS

Date: Jul 31 12:28 PM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:

As someone else on this board asked if you turned your TV off and didn't read the papers etc would you know there was a pandemic? No, I would not, but I would know we are going into a recession due to all the boarded-up stores and businesses.

If nobody had seen the news they wouldn't have taken the precautions they did - in which case it wouldn't have taken long before you'd have been well aware there was a pandemic going on around you.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

It depends which figures you believe.
Globally flu kills between 250 to 500,000 people annually. In 6 months Corona virus has killed 673,000.

https://fullfact.org/health/coronavirus-compare-influenza/

"Public Health England estimates that on average 17,000 people have died from the flu in England annually between 2014/15 and 2018/19. However, the yearly deaths vary widely from a high of 28,330 in 2014/15 to a low of 1,692 in 2018/19. Public Health England does not publish a mortality rate for the flu."

Deaths from Coronavirus are....

England cases
Updated 31 Jul at 12:17 local
Deaths
41,398

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United Kingdom cases
Updated 31 Jul at 12:17 local
Confirmed
Deaths
45,999

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Global cases
Updated 31 Jul at 12:17 local
Confirmed
Deaths
673,223

https://www.bing.com/search?q=Coronavirus&FORM=covwpt&tf=U2VydmljZT1HZW5lcmljQW5zd2VycyBTY2VuYXJpbz1Db3JvbmFWaXJ1c01MIFBvc2l0aW9uPVRPUCBSYW5raW5nRGF0YT1UcnVlIEZvcmNlUGxhY2U9VHJ1ZSBQYWlycz1pbnRlbnQ6Q2hlY2tDb3JvbmFHZW5lcmFsO2Fib3ZlbmV3czp0cnVlOyB8&hs=Ldqf8eveoQKVBvtoFdAPnL1zomPtuKTOz57eMYnFGfc%3d

-- Edited by Syl on Friday 31st of July 2020 12:54:59 PM