ChaoticMusings

Date: Nov 6 7:25 PM, 2020

RE: If Trump refuses to accept the result of the election if he loses - then what happens?

Maddog · Go Outside

JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
One person pulling ahead by some margin, and then bit by bit the other person catches them up and eventually stumbles over the finishing line as the winner. It doesn't sit right, especially when it's taking days and days to reach that conclusion. Other larger states have completed counting much quicker than the likes of Georgia. That seems a tad strange also.
You know it's postal votes that are being counted last, and they're mostly from democrats, right? Does that not explain it?
I know that and they are supposedly mostly meant to go the Democrats way.
None of us in this thread can prove that everything is all legitimate, or indeed provide proof of any corruption. It's not on us to post evidence alongside what are merely just our views and perceptions of the situation.
That is on Trump and others.

Yeah, proving more than a handful of cases is difficult.

Seeing that millions are going to say something stinks won't be difficult.

These razor thin victories that only happen after days of counting are making people pretty suspicious of the whole process.

We really need to do away with most mail in votes. Voter fraud is almost impossible with in person voting.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
One person pulling ahead by some margin, and then bit by bit the other person catches them up and eventually stumbles over the finishing line as the winner. It doesn't sit right, especially when it's taking days and days to reach that conclusion. Other larger states have completed counting much quicker than the likes of Georgia. That seems a tad strange also.
You know it's postal votes that are being counted last, and they're mostly from democrats, right? Does that not explain it?
I know that and they are supposedly mostly meant to go the Democrats way.
None of us in this thread can prove that everything is all legitimate, or indeed provide proof of any corruption. It's not on us to post evidence alongside what are merely just our views and perceptions of the situation.
That is on Trump and others.
Yeah, proving more than a handful of cases is difficult.

Seeing that millions are going to say something stinks won't be difficult.

These razor thin victories that only happen after days of counting are making people pretty suspicious of the whole process.

We really need to do away with most mail in votes. Voter fraud is almost impossible with in person voting.

This was a good post on a wildlife news forum of all places.

From what I gather it depends on the state law. Some vetted and counted mail-in ballots beforehand/first, resulting in an initial surge for Biden but later catching-up for Trump (e.g. Texas and Florida). Some (e.g. Pennsylvania and Michigan) counted them last because state law did not permit them to start until election day, resulting in early leads for Trump but Biden catching up in the late stages as the postal votes started trickling in. If I may just say so, it is kinda ridiculous to decide stuff like this on the state level so that there is no nationally uniform framework for federal elections. But it’s not really surprising from a country that doesn’t seem willing to accept that in a democracy 600k people should not have just as much legislative power as 40 million.

Now if anyone (e.g. Trump himself) is seriously surprised that postal votes are strongly in favour of Biden then I’m sorry, but they must be mentally challenged (and seriously so). Trump spent months campaigning against postal votes in no uncertain terms and the main reason for the surge in postal votes is the pandemic, which republican voters have been consistently polled as being far less worried about than democrats. Ergo, republican voters are way more likely to vote in person, and by inference way less likely to vote by mail. Anything BUT a decisive lead for Biden in the mail-in votes would be suspicious.

At this point everything Trump and his supporters do is just making him seem more and more ridiculous. Well ok, that was literally everything he did since he entered the political stage. But it is becoming more and more obvious now and should be obvious for even his staunchest supporters. The Trump campaign immediately alledged fraud in states like Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania as Biden gained ground there, even though it was expected, and f*ing demanded the counting of legitimate ballots to stop (what kind of democracy would that be?), even though a blue shift was to be expected in those states, while simultaneously organizing armed protests in Arizona to demand every last vote to be countes (which wasn’t ever in any doubt to begin with). He’s not even trying to seem like he’s interested in democracy or fair elections any more.

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
One person pulling ahead by some margin, and then bit by bit the other person catches them up and eventually stumbles over the finishing line as the winner. It doesn't sit right, especially when it's taking days and days to reach that conclusion. Other larger states have completed counting much quicker than the likes of Georgia. That seems a tad strange also.
You know it's postal votes that are being counted last, and they're mostly from democrats, right? Does that not explain it?
I know that and they are supposedly mostly meant to go the Democrats way.
None of us in this thread can prove that everything is all legitimate, or indeed provide proof of any corruption. It's not on us to post evidence alongside what are merely just our views and perceptions of the situation.
That is on Trump and others.
Yeah, proving more than a handful of cases is difficult.

Seeing that millions are going to say something stinks won't be difficult.

These razor thin victories that only happen after days of counting are making people pretty suspicious of the whole process.

We really need to do away with most mail in votes. Voter fraud is almost impossible with in person voting.
This was a good post on a wildlife news forum of all places.

From what I gather it depends on the state law. Some vetted and counted mail-in ballots beforehand/first, resulting in an initial surge for Biden but later catching-up for Trump (e.g. Texas and Florida). Some (e.g. Pennsylvania and Michigan) counted them last because state law did not permit them to start until election day, resulting in early leads for Trump but Biden catching up in the late stages as the postal votes started trickling in. If I may just say so, it is kinda ridiculous to decide stuff like this on the state level so that there is no nationally uniform framework for federal elections. But it’s not really surprising from a country that doesn’t seem willing to accept that in a democracy 600k people should not have just as much legislative power as 40 million.

Now if anyone (e.g. Trump himself) is seriously surprised that postal votes are strongly in favour of Biden then I’m sorry, but they must be mentally challenged (and seriously so). Trump spent months campaigning against postal votes in no uncertain terms and the main reason for the surge in postal votes is the pandemic, which republican voters have been consistently polled as being far less worried about than democrats. Ergo, republican voters are way more likely to vote in person, and by inference way less likely to vote by mail. Anything BUT a decisive lead for Biden in the mail-in votes would be suspicious.

At this point everything Trump and his supporters do is just making him seem more and more ridiculous. Well ok, that was literally everything he did since he entered the political stage. But it is becoming more and more obvious now and should be obvious for even his staunchest supporters. The Trump campaign immediately alledged fraud in states like Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania as Biden gained ground there, even though it was expected, and f*ing demanded the counting of legitimate ballots to stop (what kind of democracy would that be?), even though a blue shift was to be expected in those states, while simultaneously organizing armed protests in Arizona to demand every last vote to be countes (which wasn’t ever in any doubt to begin with). He’s not even trying to seem like he’s interested in democracy or fair elections any more.

Yes, mail in votes will favor Biden.

Maddog · Go Outside

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
One person pulling ahead by some margin, and then bit by bit the other person catches them up and eventually stumbles over the finishing line as the winner. It doesn't sit right, especially when it's taking days and days to reach that conclusion. Other larger states have completed counting much quicker than the likes of Georgia. That seems a tad strange also.
You know it's postal votes that are being counted last, and they're mostly from democrats, right? Does that not explain it?
I know that and they are supposedly mostly meant to go the Democrats way.
None of us in this thread can prove that everything is all legitimate, or indeed provide proof of any corruption. It's not on us to post evidence alongside what are merely just our views and perceptions of the situation.
That is on Trump and others.
Yeah, proving more than a handful of cases is difficult.

Seeing that millions are going to say something stinks won't be difficult.

These razor thin victories that only happen after days of counting are making people pretty suspicious of the whole process.

We really need to do away with most mail in votes. Voter fraud is almost impossible with in person voting.
This was a good post on a wildlife news forum of all places.

From what I gather it depends on the state law. Some vetted and counted mail-in ballots beforehand/first, resulting in an initial surge for Biden but later catching-up for Trump (e.g. Texas and Florida). Some (e.g. Pennsylvania and Michigan) counted them last because state law did not permit them to start until election day, resulting in early leads for Trump but Biden catching up in the late stages as the postal votes started trickling in. If I may just say so, it is kinda ridiculous to decide stuff like this on the state level so that there is no nationally uniform framework for federal elections. But it’s not really surprising from a country that doesn’t seem willing to accept that in a democracy 600k people should not have just as much legislative power as 40 million.

Now if anyone (e.g. Trump himself) is seriously surprised that postal votes are strongly in favour of Biden then I’m sorry, but they must be mentally challenged (and seriously so). Trump spent months campaigning against postal votes in no uncertain terms and the main reason for the surge in postal votes is the pandemic, which republican voters have been consistently polled as being far less worried about than democrats. Ergo, republican voters are way more likely to vote in person, and by inference way less likely to vote by mail. Anything BUT a decisive lead for Biden in the mail-in votes would be suspicious.

At this point everything Trump and his supporters do is just making him seem more and more ridiculous. Well ok, that was literally everything he did since he entered the political stage. But it is becoming more and more obvious now and should be obvious for even his staunchest supporters. The Trump campaign immediately alledged fraud in states like Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania as Biden gained ground there, even though it was expected, and f*ing demanded the counting of legitimate ballots to stop (what kind of democracy would that be?), even though a blue shift was to be expected in those states, while simultaneously organizing armed protests in Arizona to demand every last vote to be countes (which wasn’t ever in any doubt to begin with). He’s not even trying to seem like he’s interested in democracy or fair elections any more.
Yes, mail in votes will favor Biden.

They almost always favor Democrats though. Pandemic or not.

Date: Nov 7 7:04 AM, 2020

Maddog wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
One person pulling ahead by some margin, and then bit by bit the other person catches them up and eventually stumbles over the finishing line as the winner. It doesn't sit right, especially when it's taking days and days to reach that conclusion. Other larger states have completed counting much quicker than the likes of Georgia. That seems a tad strange also.
You know it's postal votes that are being counted last, and they're mostly from democrats, right? Does that not explain it?
I know that and they are supposedly mostly meant to go the Democrats way.
None of us in this thread can prove that everything is all legitimate, or indeed provide proof of any corruption. It's not on us to post evidence alongside what are merely just our views and perceptions of the situation.
That is on Trump and others.
Yeah, proving more than a handful of cases is difficult.

Seeing that millions are going to say something stinks won't be difficult.

These razor thin victories that only happen after days of counting are making people pretty suspicious of the whole process.

We really need to do away with most mail in votes. Voter fraud is almost impossible with in person voting.

Watch this Maddog. little bit here a little bit there.

https://www.facebook.com/scottc1196/videos/3687914401218936/

This machine that "Glitched" is being used everywhere.

https://rumble.com/vayiz3-michigan-county-flips-to-trump-after-software-glitch-is-fixed.html

Date: Nov 7 7:37 AM, 2020

JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
But surely it's how you would expect it to go, knowing the largely democrat postal votes are counted last.

Date: Nov 7 11:41 AM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
One person pulling ahead by some margin, and then bit by bit the other person catches them up and eventually stumbles over the finishing line as the winner. It doesn't sit right, especially when it's taking days and days to reach that conclusion. Other larger states have completed counting much quicker than the likes of Georgia. That seems a tad strange also.
You know it's postal votes that are being counted last, and they're mostly from democrats, right? Does that not explain it?
I know that and they are supposedly mostly meant to go the Democrats way.
None of us in this thread can prove that everything is all legitimate, or indeed provide proof of any corruption. It's not on us to post evidence alongside what are merely just our views and perceptions of the situation.
That is on Trump and others.
Yeah, proving more than a handful of cases is difficult.

Seeing that millions are going to say something stinks won't be difficult.

These razor thin victories that only happen after days of counting are making people pretty suspicious of the whole process.

We really need to do away with most mail in votes. Voter fraud is almost impossible with in person voting.
Watch this Maddog. little bit here a little bit there.

https://www.facebook.com/scottc1196/videos/3687914401218936/

This machine that "Glitched" is being used everywhere.

https://rumble.com/vayiz3-michigan-county-flips-to-trump-after-software-glitch-is-fixed.html

if you have ever programmed software, you would know that “software glitches” like this do not just happen. This is malicious and planned. With this and all of the other stories of corruption emerging, it has gotten to the point that it does not matter who sits in the White House next year, faith in the electoral process has been compromised and no one will accept the results, which is extremely sad. There are no winners here, America loses big time, and faith in the process after several days of this circus sideshow may never be restored. This is a sad week for America and democracy.

Date: Nov 7 11:45 AM, 2020

In Venezuela, they kept counting until Chavez won. After that, Maduro didn’t even bother with elections.

Welcome to Amerizeula

Date: Nov 7 12:03 PM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:

JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
But surely it's how you would expect it to go, knowing the largely democrat postal votes are counted last.

It’s been 99% counted for at least three days. Straight from the Robert Mugabe school of counting

Date: Nov 7 2:14 PM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:
In Venezuela, they kept counting until Chavez won. After that, Maduro didn’t even bother with elections.
Welcome to Amerizeula

I’m sorry, not even in Venezuela were they so blunt like they are being in America.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
In Venezuela, they kept counting until Chavez won. After that, Maduro didn’t even bother with elections.
Welcome to Amerizeula

And while I don't know if that happened, it looks bad.

It's not all about the votes. It's how the process looks and plays out.

If the votes are 100% accurate and 50% of the people don't believe it based on the process, we are going to have problems. More problems are not what we need right now.

JP · Burning up the forum

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

JP wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
JP wrote:

It sure starts to give off the impression of suspicion. Take Georgia, Trump a fair bit ahead. But over time... a lot of time. Bit by bit, things have crept along, Biden slowing but surely catching up and now equal. Or tiny bit ahead. No doubt as the very last few votes are counted he'll creep into a slightly bigger lead.

Why are you suspicious about that?
Because it's not how you'd expect it to go at least. I've watched the way the numbers have changed over the last few days.
But surely it's how you would expect it to go, knowing the largely democrat postal votes are counted last.
It’s been 99% counted for at least three days. Straight from the Robert Mugabe school of counting

Yep^

Date: Nov 7 4:59 PM, 2020

Trump was up in nearly all the so called swing states and heading to win the Presidency - then all counting stopped for about 8 hours - and then all the Trump leads disappeared with 100% Biden votes - and then every swing state was called for Biden and none for Trump until Biden crossed the line.

Date: Nov 7 5:15 PM, 2020

God bless America. They can move on from the fat dictator now.

JP · Burning up the forum

Well the Associated press have declared Biden the winner (President elect) the 46th President of the United States.

Trump has until what Jan 20th to overturn this. America is clearly one of the great democracies. But there are sure some strange anomalies within the system.

This is long from done I think. Trump off to Court on Monday. Surely he has some actual evidence? It would be very silly going to Court without any to say the least.

Date: Nov 7 6:20 PM, 2020

JP wrote:
Well the Associated press have declared Biden the winner (President elect) the 46th President of the United States.

Trump has until what Jan 20th to overturn this. America is clearly one of the great democracies. But there are sure some strange anomalies within the system.

This is long from done I think. Trump off to Court on Monday. Surely he has some actual evidence? It would be very silly going to Court without any to say the least.

Media do not get to make the call. None of the states has been certified yet so the media is just creating problems trying to cause riots to kick off.

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Date: Nov 7 6:42 PM, 2020

The BBC has also declared Joe Biden the winner and the great grandson of the Interior Minister of the Ottoman Empire has also congratulated Biden and Kamala Harris.

Maddog · Go Outside

JP wrote:
Well the Associated press have declared Biden the winner (President elect) the 46th President of the United States.

Trump has until what Jan 20th to overturn this. America is clearly one of the great democracies. But there are sure some strange anomalies within the system.

This is long from done I think. Trump off to Court on Monday. Surely he has some actual evidence? It would be very silly going to Court without any to say the least.

Actually the electoral college meets about the 2nd week in December. That's when it's technically over.

That's why the Supreme Court made Florida stop counting in December and declare a winner in 2000. There is a time line that has to followed. You basically get about 45 days after the election to make count, fight and challenge.

It appears that Pennsylvania wont be close enough to force a recount.

Georgia will likely have one because there are other races that matter. Georgia doesnt matter in the presidential election any more,

Date: Nov 7 7:07 PM, 2020

Interview with Patrick Colbeck aerospace engineer, author, former elected official, & former candidate for governor in Michigan, detailing election fraud in this election:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p25v2q_b8bQ