ChaoticMusings

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Raggamuffin wrote:

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Been reading the election thread over yonder on dogs, and asked a simple enough question that stooo refused to let hit the board.

My question was. Why are all the remainer's that are posting in the thread demanding that Trump show some dignity and accept the that he lost and concede the Presidency. Are The same people who refused to accept the Brexit result.

There really is no point in trying to debate over there. When the admin is so heavily biased that they won't allow the chance of a response that proves them wrong.

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 I learnt some time ago that Stooo holds a very tight ship when it comes to politics.  In that respect he is identical to Digital Spy.  At least this is the case for guest posters.  Stooo told us this and I also learned this by looking at what posts didn't pass moderation.  Only by becoming a forum member will you be able to engage in a proper debate.  Red Oktober and horsemuffin (?) hold more conservative views but there is not much debate.  It ends up in a shouting match with them being accused of being racist or stupid.

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Raggamuffin if you don't mind - nothing to do with horses. Dogs is a very left-wing forum.

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 Dogs isn't actually left wing Rags, true left wingers get as hard a time as right wingers. It's a neoliberal, mainstream media led circle jerk with anything other than hate for Trump/Boris/Tories/Brexit being frowned upon. You're either a CTer, it's fake news or you're lying. Then it's thread locked or removed, threats of bans or actual bans for going outside the 'official forum narrative'

 

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OK. That sounds left wing to me, but hey ...

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Been reading the election thread over yonder on dogs, and asked a simple enough question that stooo refused to let hit the board.

My question was. Why are all the remainer's that are posting in the thread demanding that Trump show some dignity and accept the that he lost and concede the Presidency. Are The same people who refused to accept the Brexit result.

There really is no point in trying to debate over there. When the admin is so heavily biased that they won't allow the chance of a response that proves them wrong.

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 I learnt some time ago that Stooo holds a very tight ship when it comes to politics.  In that respect he is identical to Digital Spy.  At least this is the case for guest posters.  Stooo told us this and I also learned this by looking at what posts didn't pass moderation.  Only by becoming a forum member will you be able to engage in a proper debate.  Red Oktober and horsemuffin (?) hold more conservative views but there is not much debate.  It ends up in a shouting match with them being accused of being racist or stupid.

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Raggamuffin if you don't mind - nothing to do with horses. Dogs is a very left-wing forum.

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 What does that make this forum? You just do badly in debate and throw round lies like confetti. 

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Hi Maddog, have you and your fellow Americans been made aware of Dr Anthony Fauci's prediction in 2017 of a pandemic that will likely occur during Trump's Presidency, and his role in supporting and funding the lab. in Wuhan for genetically engineering bat coronavirus to make them infectious in humans?   Now after the US Election we have an announcement by Pfizer of an effective cure to the Covid-19 pandemic.

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 I don't do those type conspiracies. I guess we shall see. 

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I juxtaposed three "facts" for which there is evidence to support them.  I asked if you and your fellow Americans were aware of those facts.  I mentioned no "theory" nor "conspiracy" nor even "conspiracies".  Just facts for which there is evidence to support them.

I think this highlights an issue.   It seems people will not mention facts if within their minds they are only able to understand those facts in terms of something shady that in some way is associated with some imagined wrong way of thinking.  It is a hurdle to free and open enquiry and is a form of self censorship.   Of course self-censorship is likely to arise from learned behavior and hence a reflection of the environment and culture of the  person doing the self-censoring.   The result is that certain facts are suppressed.

I suppose I am going to have to apologise for any discomfort you may have felt in responding to my query, but I think it has helped me think deeper about certain things, for which I am grateful, and you seem to be very resilient, accommodating, tolerant, fair and rational.

Separate to this would I be correct to say that your politics is one of an independent, and one of small state control which I think is in line with the founders of the American constitution.  Maybe you have already mentioned this and I have partly forgotten.  For me a free speech society is paramount.

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 Dogs isn't actually left wing Rags, true left wingers get as hard a time as right wingers. It's a neoliberal, mainstream media led circle jerk with anything other than hate for Trump/Boris/Tories/Brexit being frowned upon. You're either a CTer, it's fake news or you're lying. Then it's thread locked or removed, threats of bans or actual bans for going outside the 'official forum narrative'

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 Many online forums become polarised one way or the other when it comes to politics.  With Dogs there is a difference between a guest posters experience and a forum members experiences.  With Guest posters their comments may not pass moderation, with Forum Members they can post without any moderation.  In general Forum Members can post anything unless it is too personal or the admin take some sort of offense to it.   As a Guest Poster I have noticed a strong left leaning aspect to what is allowed and not allowed when submitting comments on politics.   However, it is much better than Digital Spy.   There are some crazies on Dogs when it comes to politics, that are only interested in asserting their political opinions and will not listen to anything that doesn't automatically accept what they have to say.  You can still learn from them but discussion with them is limited. 

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 Many people confuse Liberalism with Left Wing. They're not necessarily the same thing and neoliberals (or so called centrists) are nowhere near left Wing. There are only three or four main posters on politics forum and none of those are left Wing. Just look at the grief they give Corbyn and his moderate left wing shadow cabinet. He advocated the same sort of policies common throughout Europe but was branded far left for it. 

Centrists love the Blair government of privatisation, selling off chunks of the NHS, tying the NHS up with scandalous PFI schemes, foreign wars, bringing in ATOS for sick and disabled people, tuition fees and corporate largess accompanied by lie after lie, or spin as it became known. The same could be said for their love of Cameron until the EU referendum. Left wing they are not.

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Many online forums become polarised one way or the other when it comes to politics.  With Dogs there is a difference between a guest posters experience and a forum members experiences.  With Guest posters their comments may not pass moderation, with Forum Members they can post without any moderation.  In general Forum Members can post anything unless it is too personal or the admin take some sort of offense to it.   As a Guest Poster I have noticed a strong left leaning aspect to what is allowed and not allowed when submitting comments on politics.   However, it is much better than Digital Spy.   There are some crazies on Dogs when it comes to politics, that are only interested in asserting their political opinions and will not listen to anything that doesn't automatically accept what they have to say.  You can still learn from them but discussion with them is limited. 

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 Many people confuse Liberalism with Left Wing. They're not necessarily the same thing and neoliberals (or so called centrists) are nowhere near left Wing. There are only three or four main posters on politics forum and none of those are left Wing. Just look at the grief they give Corbyn and his moderate left wing shadow cabinet. He advocated the same sort of policies common throughout Europe but was branded far left for it. 

Centrists love the Blair government of privatisation, selling off chunks of the NHS, tying the NHS up with scandalous PFI schemes, foreign wars, bringing in ATOS for sick and disabled people, tuition fees and corporate largess accompanied by lie after lie, or spin as it became known. The same could be said for their love of Cameron until the EU referendum. Left wing they are not.

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 Thank you for your thoughtful reply.  I agree that Left Wing or Right Wing are fairly loose terms and often we should be more careful and discerning in our descriptions.

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COVID - well Donald it did not suddenly 'disappear' after the 4th - what a shocker, not that you give a shit as all you care about is sulking like a spoiled toddler because you lost the election.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-leadership/index.html

According to Worldometer the US death toll is currently 247,000 + and rising by 1500 a day, anything to say about that Donald (or Mike), any chance of some leadership to save American lives before you finally get booted out of the White House?

Thought not. 

-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 12th of November 2020 01:47:23 PM

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 It's getting embarrassing having to explain and watch others trying to explain things to you.  He didn't mean rona would vanish but the frantic reporting of it every time Trump (or in fact did anything had a rally) "super spreader"  and now Dems are in the streets celebrating nothing is said and nothing would have been saying had they been rioting. Its the hypocrisy of it all.   You cant see it because you hate Trump so much,  as maddog says why would someone living 1000s of miles away be so full of venom for Trump is a mystery.

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The only thing that is embarrassing is your continued support for the twat and his blatant and easily refuted lies and stop trying to bring Maddog into the conversation as your hoped for pile on as he can speak for himself very eloquently as it happens.

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John Doe wrote:

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COVID - well Donald it did not suddenly 'disappear' after the 4th - what a shocker, not that you give a shit as all you care about is sulking like a spoiled toddler because you lost the election.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-leadership/index.html

According to Worldometer the US death toll is currently 247,000 + and rising by 1500 a day, anything to say about that Donald (or Mike), any chance of some leadership to save American lives before you finally get booted out of the White House?

Thought not. 

-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 12th of November 2020 01:47:23 PM

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 Well it will all soon be Biden's fault. :D

I don't know why Trump just doesn't bugger off now. I mean who would want to be a leader of a Country right now!

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Biden has inherited a total disaster - no doubt Trumpateers will now blame him!

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John Doe wrote:

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COVID - well Donald it did not suddenly 'disappear' after the 4th - what a shocker, not that you give a shit as all you care about is sulking like a spoiled toddler because you lost the election.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-leadership/index.html

According to Worldometer the US death toll is currently 247,000 + and rising by 1500 a day, anything to say about that Donald (or Mike), any chance of some leadership to save American lives before you finally get booted out of the White House?

Thought not. 

-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 12th of November 2020 01:47:23 PM

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 Well it will all soon be Biden's fault. :D

I don't know why Trump just doesn't bugger off now. I mean who would want to be a leader of a Country right now!

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Biden has inherited a total disaster - no doubt Trumpateers will now blame him!

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Well personally I think that for covid specifically some people do tend to blame leaders a bit too much.

Most people aren't thick. They know how viruses spread. They know this virus in particular is pretty damn potent. Figures across the World tell you that. The basics are very simple. Limit contact. Wash hands regular. Wear masks in certain circumstances. None of this is rocket science. Too many people having their own mind and thinking they know best is the main problem. Too many selfish people is a problem.

Speaking of statistics. There's now 12 Countries who have a death per capita figure between 650 and 1,185. 8 of those are between 650 and 750.

The 12.

USA

UK

Spain

France

Italy

Brazil

Peru

Argentina

Columbia

Belgium

Mexico 

Chille

In no particular order^

Sometimes I spend a bit of time trying to look for patterns in things. It's quite a mixed bag of Countries. A mixed bag of leaders also. I can't see any particular patterns. Fine details regarding human behaviour and thought processes and patterns throughout this whole pandemic would be interesting to know.

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 12th of November 2020 08:35:48 PM

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John Doe wrote:

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JP wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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COVID - well Donald it did not suddenly 'disappear' after the 4th - what a shocker, not that you give a shit as all you care about is sulking like a spoiled toddler because you lost the election.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/12/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-leadership/index.html

According to Worldometer the US death toll is currently 247,000 + and rising by 1500 a day, anything to say about that Donald (or Mike), any chance of some leadership to save American lives before you finally get booted out of the White House?

Thought not. 

-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 12th of November 2020 01:47:23 PM

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 Well it will all soon be Biden's fault. :D

I don't know why Trump just doesn't bugger off now. I mean who would want to be a leader of a Country right now!

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Biden has inherited a total disaster - no doubt Trumpateers will now blame him!

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Well personally I think that for covid specifically some people do tend to blame leaders a bit too much.

Most people aren't thick. They know how viruses spread. They know this virus in particular is pretty damn potent. Figures across the World tell you that. The basics are very simple. Limit contact. Wash hands regular. Wear masks in certain circumstances. None of this is rocket science. Too many people having their own mind and thinking they know best is the main problem. Too many selfish people is a problem.

Speaking of statistics. There's now 12 Countries who have a death per capita figure between 650 and 1,185. 8 of those are between 650 and 750.

The 12.

USA

UK

Spain

France

Italy

Brazil

Peru

Argentina

Columbia

Belgium

Mexico 

Chille

In no particular order^

Sometimes I spend a bit of time trying to look for patterns in things. It's quite a mixed bag of Countries. A mixed bag of leaders also. I can't see any particular patterns. Fine details regarding human behaviour and thought processes and patterns throughout this whole pandemic would be interesting to know.

 

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 12th of November 2020 08:35:48 PM

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 12th of November 2020 08:38:09 PM

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Yeah but apart from Bolsonaro the other countries did not willfully downplay the threat or take the piss out of people who wore masks or socially distanced like Trump did.

The fucker held so many super-spreader rallies for his supporters and actually revelled in it.

The one saving grace for the US was that their system allowed the Governers of the various states to separately make up their own minds on how to deal with COVID very much like with Climate Change which is why Trump has not been as devastating on that issue as he could have been.