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Maddog · Go Outside

If Trump refuses to accept the result of the election if he loses - then what happens?

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
I guess the leader of Belgium lusted for too much power.

Sarcy git!

-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 12th of November 2020 10:44:00 PM

JP · Burning up the forum

Regarding Belgium I don't know anything about how the people are there the demeanour of the people, or the leader.

They have around 11 million population versus the UKs around 67 million and currently have more people in ICU than the UK does.

JP · Burning up the forum

I would love to know exactly how Germany have been recording deaths throughout this pandemic. What their exact methodologies are.

Their death figures don't really make too much sense. When you look at infection numbers and numbers they currently have in ICU. And how many people they have had in ICU over the last few weeks. When population size is taken into account. They have had around the equivalent numbers in ICU. As the UK does. And may be one or two other Countries in Europe.

Germany infection numbers and ICU numbers do compare to other Countries like the UK etc especially so over the last several weeks yet HIGH death numbers never seem to follow.

I mean they have no better treatments than anyone else as far as we know.

-- Edited by JP on Friday 13th of November 2020 12:08:00 AM

-- Edited by JP on Friday 13th of November 2020 12:13:58 AM

Maddog · Go Outside

JP wrote:
I would love to know exactly how Germany have been recording deaths throughout this pandemic. What their exact methodologies are.

Their death figures don't really make too much sense. When you look at infection numbers and numbers they currently have in ICU. And how many people they have had in ICU over the last few weeks. When population size is taken into account. They have had around the equivalent numbers in ICU. As the UK does. And may be one or two other Countries in Europe.

Germany infection numbers and ICU numbers do compare to other Countries like the UK etc especially so over the last several weeks yet HIGH death numbers never seem to follow.

I mean they have no better treatments than anyone else as far as we know.

-- Edited by JP on Friday 13th of November 2020 12:08:00 AM

-- Edited by JP on Friday 13th of November 2020 12:13:58 AM

Us Aryans are the master race. Duh!

John Doe · Still Here!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084

That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.

Date: Nov 14 3:14 AM, 2020

I would not be so sure about the machine votes either.

Date: Nov 14 4:53 PM, 2020

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084
That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.

What evidence do you have that it’s fraud?

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084
That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.
What evidence do you have that it’s fraud?

As far as I can tell there is no evidence just Trump's endless tweets this year and the desperate hope of his supporters that the election will somehow be overturned.

It won't and meanwhile it means Biden cannot put his plan to tackle COVID-19 into action, not that Trump gives a shit about the US death toll as he is too busy playing golf.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084
That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.
What evidence do you have that it’s fraud?

There is fraud every election.

Why would this one be different?

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084
That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.
What evidence do you have that it’s fraud?
As far as I can tell there is no evidence just Trump's endless tweets this year and the desperate hope of his supporters that the election will somehow be overturned.
It won't and meanwhile it means Biden cannot put his plan to tackle COVID-19 into action, not that Trump gives a shit about the US death toll as he is too busy playing golf.

Let me run this by you again since your obsession with Trump causes myopia.

Does fraud that doesnt change the winner of the presidential election matter?

-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 15th of November 2020 06:54:06 PM

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084
That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.
What evidence do you have that it’s fraud?
As far as I can tell there is no evidence just Trump's endless tweets this year and the desperate hope of his supporters that the election will somehow be overturned.
It won't and meanwhile it means Biden cannot put his plan to tackle COVID-19 into action, not that Trump gives a shit about the US death toll as he is too busy playing golf.
Let me run this by you again since your obsession with Trump causes myopia.

Does fraud that doesnt change the winner of the presidential election matter?

-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 15th of November 2020 06:54:06 PM

I don't have myopia, simply his twisted, narcissistic behaviour is unprecedented by a US president.

Fraud matters but I have still yet to see any evidence of it on a mass scale and why would it only be by the Democrats as Trump keeps stating?

All the studies suggest fraud in US elections is miniscule.

Plus I see he tried to stoke more conflict today - he is causing real trouble.

The man has no dignity or honour at all.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 15th of November 2020 07:34:54 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084
That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.
What evidence do you have that it’s fraud?
As far as I can tell there is no evidence just Trump's endless tweets this year and the desperate hope of his supporters that the election will somehow be overturned.
It won't and meanwhile it means Biden cannot put his plan to tackle COVID-19 into action, not that Trump gives a shit about the US death toll as he is too busy playing golf.
Let me run this by you again since your obsession with Trump causes myopia.

Does fraud that doesnt change the winner of the presidential election matter?

-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 15th of November 2020 06:54:06 PM
I don't have myopia, simply his twisted, narcissistic behaviour is unprecedented by a US president.
Fraud matters but I have still yet to see any evidence of it on a mass scale and why would it only be by the Democrats as Trump keeps stating?
All the studies suggest fraud in US elections is miniscule.
Plus I see he tried to stoke more conflict today - he is causing real trouble.
The man has no dignity or honour at all.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 15th of November 2020 07:34:54 PM

Can you discuss fraud without bringing him up?

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2020-54926084
That doesn't take into account mail in ballots. That's where all the fraud is, not in the actual machines.

What people fail to understand is that there was likely a lot of fraud. Not enough to throw the presidential election, and I'm afraid a lot of people are under the mindset that fraud only matters if it changes elections. It always matters.

I'm not interested in Trumps theatrics at this point. He lost.

But I'm damn sure worried about this gigantic push by one party to use the most problematic type of voting.

Let's go back to everyone except the very old, or disabled, going to the polls, showing an ID and then voting. We have a two week window and we can vote on weekends. There is no need for mail in ballots.
What evidence do you have that it’s fraud?
As far as I can tell there is no evidence just Trump's endless tweets this year and the desperate hope of his supporters that the election will somehow be overturned.
It won't and meanwhile it means Biden cannot put his plan to tackle COVID-19 into action, not that Trump gives a shit about the US death toll as he is too busy playing golf.
Let me run this by you again since your obsession with Trump causes myopia.

Does fraud that doesnt change the winner of the presidential election matter?

-- Edited by Maddog on Sunday 15th of November 2020 06:54:06 PM
I don't have myopia, simply his twisted, narcissistic behaviour is unprecedented by a US president.
Fraud matters but I have still yet to see any evidence of it on a mass scale and why would it only be by the Democrats as Trump keeps stating?
All the studies suggest fraud in US elections is miniscule.
Plus I see he tried to stoke more conflict today - he is causing real trouble.
The man has no dignity or honour at all.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 15th of November 2020 07:34:54 PM
Can you discuss fraud without bringing him up?

Well I could but he makes it very hard to do so since he is banging on about it 24/7.

Maddog · Go Outside

You're making excuses.

Attorney General Ken Paxton today announced that his Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner, a social worker in the Mexia State Supported Living Center (SSLC), with 134 felony counts of purportedly acting as an agent and of election fraud. If convicted, Brunner faces up to 10 years in prison for these offenses.

www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud

Does this matter? Stealing votes from the disabled?

Date: Nov 16 12:59 AM, 2020

What bugs me about Trump Derangement Syndrome is that no-one talks about politics. Instead it is people having hysterics. Under such circumstances people can drift towards conspiracy theorists other people towards a mob mentality. The same sort of thing happened with Brexit and there even the politicians were shown to be contradictory and inflammatory. The non-politician Donald Trump was voted in for a reason, the swamp revealed how extensive it ran through the various institutions of the US, and now we have Obama winning his third term of office with Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton and Puppet Joe.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
You're making excuses.

Attorney General Ken Paxton today announced that his Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner, a social worker in the Mexia State Supported Living Center (SSLC), with 134 felony counts of purportedly acting as an agent and of election fraud. If convicted, Brunner faces up to 10 years in prison for these offenses.

www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud

Does this matter? Stealing votes from the disabled?

And so are you.

Forget about Trump and isolated incidents like the above whilst wrong (and what is the source and the political motivation of that site btw) having nothing to do with that arsehole deliberately dividing your country and claiming the democrats stole the election because that is so divisive and absolute cobblers as people die.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/15/coronavirus-texas-el-paso-inmates-morgue-deaths/

When Biden does finally get in I expect several mass shootings - it is inevitable sadly.

Why do you dislike Obama so much he seems like a decent man and a good President to me and that is a genuine question MD?

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
You're making excuses.

Attorney General Ken Paxton today announced that his Election Fraud Unit assisted the Limestone County Sheriff and District Attorney in charging Kelly Reagan Brunner, a social worker in the Mexia State Supported Living Center (SSLC), with 134 felony counts of purportedly acting as an agent and of election fraud. If convicted, Brunner faces up to 10 years in prison for these offenses.

www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/limestone-county-social-worker-charged-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud

Does this matter? Stealing votes from the disabled?
And so are you.
Forget about Trump and isolated incidents like the above whilst wrong (and what is the source and the political motivation of that site btw) having nothing to do with that arsehole deliberately dividing your country and claiming the democrats stole the election because that is so divisive and absolute cobblers as people die.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/15/coronavirus-texas-el-paso-inmates-morgue-deaths/
When Biden does finally get in I expect several mass shootings - it is inevitable sadly.
Why do you dislike Obama so much he seems like a decent man and a good President to me and that is a genuine question MD?

I didn't make any excuses. I said Trump lost and he needs to move on, but the fraud still matter.

What in the hell does Obama have to do with this?

We are talking about voter fraud.

Like this.

LONGVIEW, Texas (KLTV) - A Gregg County commissioner arrested in connection to an alleged vote harvesting scheme will stay in office for the time being, according to Gregg County Judge Bill Stoudt.

According to the Gregg County District Attorney’s Office, Gregg County commissioner Shannon Brown, Marlena Jackson, Charlie Burns, and DeWayne Ward were arrested. A press release said to increase the pool of ballots needed to swing the race in Brown’s favor, the group targeted young, able-bodied voters to cast ballots by mail by fraudulently claiming the voters were “disabled,” in most cases without the voters' knowledge or consent. Under Texas election law, mail ballots based on disability are specifically reserved for those who are physically ill and cannot vote in-person as a result.

https://www.kltv.com/2020/09/25/gregg-county-commissioner-indicted-alleged-vote-harvesting-scheme-will-stay-office-now/

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Someone said in an interview last night, Trump could be far more dangerous as an ousted president than he was when he held office.
I can see that could happen.