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John Doe · Still Here!

If Trump refuses to accept the result of the election if he loses - then what happens?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.

Yeah but the man has caused untold deaths with his mask stance.

I think of all those who have died.

Of all the people in history I might just make an exception.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Well thinking back a couple of months were the people in the UK not told the same thing by our 'leaders'?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Date: Oct 3 8:59 AM, 2020

Exactly, to begin with we all were told that wearing a mask could do more harm than not wearing one. You could wear a mask but if you keep touching it like so many people do by readjusting it , it defeats the purpose completely. If your mask happens to get contaminated by the virus you're screwed. IMO the best defends is to keep distance, keeps using your hand sanitiser while out, don't touch your face and wash your hands as often as you can. Trump could have worn a mask and still catch CD19. He managed a long time avoiding it.

Date: Oct 3 9:38 AM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
Yeah but the man has caused untold deaths with his mask stance.
I think of all those who have died.
Of all the people in history I might just make an exception.

So did many other leaders, people all over the world died and are still dying, I really don't believe that his stance on masks caused all those death. I think it had more to do with all the mingling during the riots, also people had parties and disregarded the warnings to keep distance. On top of it, people wanted their businesses to open. Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

The death rate is basically the same as in the UK per population, a bit over 0.6%

Don't forget, America has 328 million people.

America = 209000 dead out of 328 mill

Britain = 42 000 dead out of 66 mill.

Date: Oct 3 10:03 AM, 2020

Syl wrote:
Well thinking back a couple of months were the people in the UK not told the same thing by our 'leaders'?

The clip you put up as an example seems to have come from seven months back in early March when the disease was less well understood. Since then, and as the understanding of transmission improved, advice about wearing masks changed.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Anonymous wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well thinking back a couple of months were the people in the UK not told the same thing by our 'leaders'?
The clip you put up as an example seems to have come from seven months back in early March when the disease was less well understood. Since then, and as the understanding of transmission improved, advice about wearing masks changed.

It was the first clip I came across, but the advice that masks could possibly cause more harm than good and were not recommended for the general public in the UK was being repeated at almost every daily Downing st update back then.....and they stopped in June.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
Yeah but the man has caused untold deaths with his mask stance.
I think of all those who have died.
Of all the people in history I might just make an exception.
So did many other leaders, people all over the world died and are still dying, I really don't believe that his stance on masks caused all those death. I think it had more to do with all the mingling during the riots, also people had parties and disregarded the warnings to keep distance. On top of it, people wanted their businesses to open. Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
The death rate is basically the same as in the UK per population, a bit over 0.6%
Don't forget, America has 328 million people.
America = 209000 dead out of 328 mill
Britain = 42 000 dead out of 66 mill.

Yeah, the US is running neck and neck with the UK over 10th place in the deaths per capita.

I think we are also the 2 most obese countries on the planet.

The outlier is still Belgium. What in the hell happened there?

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:26:48 PM

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.

I pretty much entirely agree with you.

I wouldn't actually go around saying I wish someone would suffer or die. However I wouldn't think about it at all if certain people did.You can guess the kind of people I'm talking about. Convicted Child killers, mass murderers. That kind of person.

Regarding masks and some other points made in this thread recently. Yep the UK was against mask wearing for some time. Longer than many Countries in fact. Our experts including Van Tam, and the DMO Jenny Harris. Spoke on several occasions about how masks possibly hinder more than they help. Due to people fiddling with them, not wearing them properly. And just that the general science showed that the general public wearing masks/face coverings doesn't particularly have much affect on the spread of the virus. The science actually still says much the same right now as well. And masks have obviously now been worn more and more but infections have still gone up again. So may be that tells a story in itself.

Deaths per capita. Yes America and Britain are in the same ballpark, USA just has the higher number. A fair number of Countries actually are now in the same area as USA and UK when it comes to death per capita statistics. Around 600 and higher. Over time some leveling out of this statistic has occurred. Months ago some experts said that in the end a year or more later down the line many Countries will end up within the same ballpark. I actually think that's right. And the figures are starting to show that.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:55:07 PM

JP · Burning up the forum

Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
Yeah but the man has caused untold deaths with his mask stance.
I think of all those who have died.
Of all the people in history I might just make an exception.
So did many other leaders, people all over the world died and are still dying, I really don't believe that his stance on masks caused all those death. I think it had more to do with all the mingling during the riots, also people had parties and disregarded the warnings to keep distance. On top of it, people wanted their businesses to open. Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
The death rate is basically the same as in the UK per population, a bit over 0.6%
Don't forget, America has 328 million people.
America = 209000 dead out of 328 mill
Britain = 42 000 dead out of 66 mill.
Yeah, the US is running neck and neck with the UK over 10th place in the deaths per capita.

I think we are also the 2 most obese countries on the planet.

The outlier is still Belgium. What in the hell happened there?

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:26:48 PM

Peru has the highest death per capita figure now.

Maddog · Go Outside

JP wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
Yeah but the man has caused untold deaths with his mask stance.
I think of all those who have died.
Of all the people in history I might just make an exception.
So did many other leaders, people all over the world died and are still dying, I really don't believe that his stance on masks caused all those death. I think it had more to do with all the mingling during the riots, also people had parties and disregarded the warnings to keep distance. On top of it, people wanted their businesses to open. Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
The death rate is basically the same as in the UK per population, a bit over 0.6%
Don't forget, America has 328 million people.
America = 209000 dead out of 328 mill
Britain = 42 000 dead out of 66 mill.
Yeah, the US is running neck and neck with the UK over 10th place in the deaths per capita.

I think we are also the 2 most obese countries on the planet.

The outlier is still Belgium. What in the hell happened there?

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:26:48 PM
Peru has the highest death per capita figure now.

Yeah, I saw that.

But Belgium is an outlier for western countries.

Not counting tiny counties like San Marino.

It seems like Latin America is now the hardest hit though.

JP · Burning up the forum

Maddog wrote:
JP wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
Yeah but the man has caused untold deaths with his mask stance.
I think of all those who have died.
Of all the people in history I might just make an exception.
So did many other leaders, people all over the world died and are still dying, I really don't believe that his stance on masks caused all those death. I think it had more to do with all the mingling during the riots, also people had parties and disregarded the warnings to keep distance. On top of it, people wanted their businesses to open. Trump was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.
The death rate is basically the same as in the UK per population, a bit over 0.6%
Don't forget, America has 328 million people.
America = 209000 dead out of 328 mill
Britain = 42 000 dead out of 66 mill.
Yeah, the US is running neck and neck with the UK over 10th place in the deaths per capita.

I think we are also the 2 most obese countries on the planet.

The outlier is still Belgium. What in the hell happened there?

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:26:48 PM
Peru has the highest death per capita figure now.
Yeah, I saw that.

But Belgium is an outlier for western countries.
Not counting tiny counties like San Marino.
It seems like Latin America is now the hardest hit though.

I notice another Country has been added. It has sat on 213 Countries that have had at least 1 positive covid case for ages. Solomon Islands is now 214 they have 1 case.

Interesting how there are different figures around regarding how many different Countries and territories there are in the World. I've always thought the number is around 200. UN say it's 251 though.

John Doe · Still Here!

The problem I have with Trump is that he blatantly tweeted and shared preposterous COVID conspiracy theories and is in total denial about the scale of the problem, mocking Biden for taking precautions and saying it would disappear like a fart in the wind.

God knows how many people he and his supporters have needlessly infected at their mass rallies with no social distancing or masks.

The US is now ahead of the UK per capita deaths and they had the advantage of being far less densely populated as a whole and the fatalities will continue to mount at around a thousand a day.

I blame Trump for this and so do all the medical experts whom he has been at war with most of the time.

Him and his chum Bolsonaro have by far the greatest death tolls in the world and are nowhere near the end of even the first wave in their respective countries.

Coincidence?

No.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

JP wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
I pretty much entirely agree with you.
I wouldn't actually go around saying I wish someone would suffer or die. However I wouldn't think about it at all if certain people did.You can guess the kind of people I'm talking about. Convicted Child killers, mass murderers. That kind of person.

Regarding masks and some other points made in this thread recently. Yep the UK was against mask wearing for some time. Longer than many Countries in fact. Our experts including Van Tam, and the DMO Jenny Harris. Spoke on several occasions about how masks possibly hinder more than they help. Due to people fiddling with them, not wearing them properly. And just that the general science showed that the general public wearing masks/face coverings doesn't particularly have much affect on the spread of the virus. The science actually still says much the same right now as well. And masks have obviously now been worn more and more but infections have still gone up again. So may be that tells a story in itself.
Deaths per capita. Yes America and Britain are in the same ballpark, USA just has the higher number. A fair number of Countries actually are now in the same area as USA and UK when it comes to death per capita statistics. Around 600 and higher. Over time some leveling out of this statistic has occurred. Months ago some experts said that in the end a year or more later down the line many Countries will end up within the same ballpark. I actually think that's right. And the figures are starting to show that.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:55:07 PM

I would bring back capital punishment for the most heinous of crimes, but that's different to wishing death and destruction on someone you personally don't like.

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
JP wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
I pretty much entirely agree with you.
I wouldn't actually go around saying I wish someone would suffer or die. However I wouldn't think about it at all if certain people did.You can guess the kind of people I'm talking about. Convicted Child killers, mass murderers. That kind of person.

Regarding masks and some other points made in this thread recently. Yep the UK was against mask wearing for some time. Longer than many Countries in fact. Our experts including Van Tam, and the DMO Jenny Harris. Spoke on several occasions about how masks possibly hinder more than they help. Due to people fiddling with them, not wearing them properly. And just that the general science showed that the general public wearing masks/face coverings doesn't particularly have much affect on the spread of the virus. The science actually still says much the same right now as well. And masks have obviously now been worn more and more but infections have still gone up again. So may be that tells a story in itself.
Deaths per capita. Yes America and Britain are in the same ballpark, USA just has the higher number. A fair number of Countries actually are now in the same area as USA and UK when it comes to death per capita statistics. Around 600 and higher. Over time some leveling out of this statistic has occurred. Months ago some experts said that in the end a year or more later down the line many Countries will end up within the same ballpark. I actually think that's right. And the figures are starting to show that.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:55:07 PM
I would bring back capital punishment for the most heinous of crimes, but that's different to wishing death and destruction on someone you personally don't like.

Indeed.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
I pretty much entirely agree with you.
I wouldn't actually go around saying I wish someone would suffer or die. However I wouldn't think about it at all if certain people did.You can guess the kind of people I'm talking about. Convicted Child killers, mass murderers. That kind of person.

Regarding masks and some other points made in this thread recently. Yep the UK was against mask wearing for some time. Longer than many Countries in fact. Our experts including Van Tam, and the DMO Jenny Harris. Spoke on several occasions about how masks possibly hinder more than they help. Due to people fiddling with them, not wearing them properly. And just that the general science showed that the general public wearing masks/face coverings doesn't particularly have much affect on the spread of the virus. The science actually still says much the same right now as well. And masks have obviously now been worn more and more but infections have still gone up again. So may be that tells a story in itself.
Deaths per capita. Yes America and Britain are in the same ballpark, USA just has the higher number. A fair number of Countries actually are now in the same area as USA and UK when it comes to death per capita statistics. Around 600 and higher. Over time some leveling out of this statistic has occurred. Months ago some experts said that in the end a year or more later down the line many Countries will end up within the same ballpark. I actually think that's right. And the figures are starting to show that.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:55:07 PM

The infections have gone up because some selfish people have not been social distancing.
Loads of people flying off to warmer climates, not wearing masks and not social distancing.

Coming back to the U.K. and not self isolating for the 2 weeks.

Boris should have made everyone wear masks right at the very start, and made it compulsory,

and we might not have been in this same situation again.

Look how nonchalant Trump has been about wearing masks. - I rest my case.

-- Edited by Twizzler on Sunday 4th of October 2020 07:04:43 AM

Digger · Admin

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I love Carey anyway, and Baldwin was brilliant as Trump just as he was when he took off Jerry Springer.

That was SO like the real debate they didn't have to do much acting.