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John Doe · Still Here!

RE: If Trump refuses to accept the result of the election if he loses - then what happens?

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
I pretty much entirely agree with you.
I wouldn't actually go around saying I wish someone would suffer or die. However I wouldn't think about it at all if certain people did.You can guess the kind of people I'm talking about. Convicted Child killers, mass murderers. That kind of person.

Regarding masks and some other points made in this thread recently. Yep the UK was against mask wearing for some time. Longer than many Countries in fact. Our experts including Van Tam, and the DMO Jenny Harris. Spoke on several occasions about how masks possibly hinder more than they help. Due to people fiddling with them, not wearing them properly. And just that the general science showed that the general public wearing masks/face coverings doesn't particularly have much affect on the spread of the virus. The science actually still says much the same right now as well. And masks have obviously now been worn more and more but infections have still gone up again. So may be that tells a story in itself.
Deaths per capita. Yes America and Britain are in the same ballpark, USA just has the higher number. A fair number of Countries actually are now in the same area as USA and UK when it comes to death per capita statistics. Around 600 and higher. Over time some leveling out of this statistic has occurred. Months ago some experts said that in the end a year or more later down the line many Countries will end up within the same ballpark. I actually think that's right. And the figures are starting to show that.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:55:07 PM
The infections have gone up because some selfish people have not been social distancing.
Loads of people flying off to warmer climates, not wearing masks and not social distancing.
Coming back to the U.K. and not self isolating for the 2 weeks.
Boris should have made everyone wear masks right at the very start, and made it compulsory,
and we might not have been in this same situation again.

Look how nonchalant Trump has been about wearing masks. - I rest my case.

-- Edited by Twizzler on Sunday 4th of October 2020 07:04:43 AM

Cases have risen since people started wearing masks more. On public transport. In Hospital's etc

In my view they don't do much when it comes to the masses, the general public wearing them. And that's actually still the view of many experts.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

There has been controversy about the masks in the UK from the start.
I cant see them doing any harm, unless people are continuously adjusting them and touching their mouth and nose all the time.
Don't forget people were being encouraged to get back to work, take public transport again, eat out again, schools, colleges and unis opened up again, all this has to have an effect on the numbers of people being infected and more now sadly dying.

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
There has been controversy about the masks in the UK from the start.
I cant see them doing any harm, unless people are continuously adjusting them and touching their mouth and nose all the time.
Don't forget people were being encouraged to get back to work, take public transport again, eat out again, schools, colleges and unis opened up again, all this has to have an effect on the numbers of people being infected and more now sadly dying.

It's definitely fascinating hearing all the many different views on face covering/masks. Talk radio alone has a very wide and varied selection of views that can be heard. Some of the clips on youtube make interesting viewing. Jeremy Corbyn's brother's views are a particular highlight. lol No masks for him at all. The pandemic isn't serious, and more.

Maybe Jeremy thinks the same as his Brother. He was caught at a dinner party the other day. 9 people there.

-- Edited by JP on Sunday 4th of October 2020 04:59:45 PM

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
There has been controversy about the masks in the UK from the start.
I cant see them doing any harm, unless people are continuously adjusting them and touching their mouth and nose all the time.
Don't forget people were being encouraged to get back to work, take public transport again, eat out again, schools, colleges and unis opened up again, all this has to have an effect on the numbers of people being infected and more now sadly dying.

And by the way. The media caused a lot of the early hysteria on face masks. We actually pretty much followed what WHO were putting out. They only recommended general public face mask wearing from around early mid-July time. That's when we started taking them more serious I recall.

Also many Nordic Countries haven't bothered with them that much at all. And many of those Countries in terms of infection rates and deaths all throughout this pandemic are in a better position than the likes of us, the USA, Spain, France etc

They may not do too much harm. But there is definitely nothing clear-cut science wise about this issue at all. Not even now.

And it's for sure a big mistake if anyone thinks they are safe as long as a mask is on their face. I bet some people do think that. You clearly still have to practice other things also. Day in, day out.

-- Edited by JP on Sunday 4th of October 2020 04:56:48 PM

-- Edited by JP on Sunday 4th of October 2020 05:10:32 PM

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
I pretty much entirely agree with you.
I wouldn't actually go around saying I wish someone would suffer or die. However I wouldn't think about it at all if certain people did.You can guess the kind of people I'm talking about. Convicted Child killers, mass murderers. That kind of person.

Regarding masks and some other points made in this thread recently. Yep the UK was against mask wearing for some time. Longer than many Countries in fact. Our experts including Van Tam, and the DMO Jenny Harris. Spoke on several occasions about how masks possibly hinder more than they help. Due to people fiddling with them, not wearing them properly. And just that the general science showed that the general public wearing masks/face coverings doesn't particularly have much affect on the spread of the virus. The science actually still says much the same right now as well. And masks have obviously now been worn more and more but infections have still gone up again. So may be that tells a story in itself.
Deaths per capita. Yes America and Britain are in the same ballpark, USA just has the higher number. A fair number of Countries actually are now in the same area as USA and UK when it comes to death per capita statistics. Around 600 and higher. Over time some leveling out of this statistic has occurred. Months ago some experts said that in the end a year or more later down the line many Countries will end up within the same ballpark. I actually think that's right. And the figures are starting to show that.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:55:07 PM
The infections have gone up because some selfish people have not been social distancing.
Loads of people flying off to warmer climates, not wearing masks and not social distancing.
Coming back to the U.K. and not self isolating for the 2 weeks.
Boris should have made everyone wear masks right at the very start, and made it compulsory,
and we might not have been in this same situation again.

Look how nonchalant Trump has been about wearing masks. - I rest my case.

-- Edited by Twizzler on Sunday 4th of October 2020 07:04:43 AM
Cases have risen since people started wearing masks more. On public transport. In Hospital's etc
In my view they don't do much when it comes to the masses, the general public wearing them. And that's actually still the view of many experts.

You do talk a load of tosh JP, you are entitled to your opinion of course.

You didn’t think Cummings did anything wrong when he drove all that way with his child.

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Syl wrote:
No matter how much I may dislike anyone, politician or whoever, I wouldn't wish death or suffering on them.
I could not stand Thatcher, but I thought the rejoicing when she suffered from dementia, and then when she died, was frankly disgusting.
I pretty much entirely agree with you.
I wouldn't actually go around saying I wish someone would suffer or die. However I wouldn't think about it at all if certain people did.You can guess the kind of people I'm talking about. Convicted Child killers, mass murderers. That kind of person.

Regarding masks and some other points made in this thread recently. Yep the UK was against mask wearing for some time. Longer than many Countries in fact. Our experts including Van Tam, and the DMO Jenny Harris. Spoke on several occasions about how masks possibly hinder more than they help. Due to people fiddling with them, not wearing them properly. And just that the general science showed that the general public wearing masks/face coverings doesn't particularly have much affect on the spread of the virus. The science actually still says much the same right now as well. And masks have obviously now been worn more and more but infections have still gone up again. So may be that tells a story in itself.
Deaths per capita. Yes America and Britain are in the same ballpark, USA just has the higher number. A fair number of Countries actually are now in the same area as USA and UK when it comes to death per capita statistics. Around 600 and higher. Over time some leveling out of this statistic has occurred. Months ago some experts said that in the end a year or more later down the line many Countries will end up within the same ballpark. I actually think that's right. And the figures are starting to show that.

-- Edited by JP on Saturday 3rd of October 2020 03:55:07 PM
The infections have gone up because some selfish people have not been social distancing.
Loads of people flying off to warmer climates, not wearing masks and not social distancing.
Coming back to the U.K. and not self isolating for the 2 weeks.
Boris should have made everyone wear masks right at the very start, and made it compulsory,
and we might not have been in this same situation again.

Look how nonchalant Trump has been about wearing masks. - I rest my case.

-- Edited by Twizzler on Sunday 4th of October 2020 07:04:43 AM
Cases have risen since people started wearing masks more. On public transport. In Hospital's etc
In my view they don't do much when it comes to the masses, the general public wearing them. And that's actually still the view of many experts.
You do talk a load of tosh JP, you are entitled to your opinion of course.
You didn’t think Cummings did anything wrong when he drove all that way with his child.

What the hell are you on about?

Either counter my words with facts. Or say nothing. If you are going to take that attitude.

If you show me something that says that I'm wrong. Then fair play to you.

JP · Burning up the forum

And also seeing as you clearly want to get into this. You've done this numerous times before bring up Cumming's as though it wins you the discussion.

There have been plenty of actual MPs who have behaved far more appallingly than anything Cumming's did. The SNP MP being the latest one.

It is funny how you don't want to talk about any clear-cut rule breakers. It's always Cumming's on your mind.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

So Boris has said what we all knew anyway, this virus will still be a threat over Christmas and beyond.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
So Boris has said what we all knew anyway, this virus will still be a threat over Christmas and beyond.

Of course it will be, and this is just the first of many pandemics in this century as nature collapses and more zoonotric diseases are inevitable.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Unless this was man made....which so many now seem convinced that it is.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Unless this was man made....which so many now seem convinced that it is.

People spouting conspiracy bollocks online can be as convinced as they like Syl but that ridiculous 'theory' (to dignify the term) has been debunked time and time again by science.

Why is it social media seems to make people think they know better than the worlds greatest experts who have spent their entire lives/careers researching such things?

It baffles me because so many of them are believed - mind you it has made some of them a shitload of money - just look at that fraud Ike.

Rant over.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
And also seeing as you clearly want to get into this. You've done this numerous times before bring up Cumming's as though it wins you the discussion.

There have been plenty of actual MPs who have behaved far more appallingly than anything Cumming's did. The SNP MP being the latest one.

It is funny how you don't want to talk about any clear-cut rule breakers. It's always Cumming's on your mind.

I was just stating a fact JP.

You at the time didn’t believe that Cummings did anything wrong.

He broke the rules, especially after claiming he had symptoms. He should have been sacked.

The SNP MP who travelled to London and back after testing positive for covid19 should have been sacked.

These are people in authority and if nothing is to be done about them, then ordinary people who get fined

for breaking the rules, we will never be rid of this virus.

So calm your jets JP.

Date: Oct 5 7:29 AM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Unless this was man made....which so many now seem convinced that it is.
People spouting conspiracy bollocks online can be as convinced as they like Syl but that ridiculous 'theory' (to dignify the term) has been debunked time and time again by science.
Why is it social media seems to make people think they know better than the worlds greatest experts who have spent their entire lives/careers researching such things?
It baffles me because so many of them are believed - mind you it has made some of them a shitload of money - just look at that fraud Ike.
Rant over.

Surely it depends on what greatest experts and professionals you follow or listen too? I'm sure Syl isn't just listening to joe blogs on FB and its very patronising of you to keep saying things like that about people.

Just a coincidence there is a lab in Wuhan that specialises in virology and virologists from that lab right from the start have been saying it came from there. Even the former head of MI6 has said they believe it comes from the lab as well as other professionals, scientists etc throughout the world

I'm personally more surprised anyone still blindly believes it came from bats without questioning it.

Date: Oct 5 8:41 AM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
So Boris has said what we all knew anyway, this virus will still be a threat over Christmas and beyond.
Of course it will be, and this is just the first of many pandemics in this century as nature collapses and more zoonotric diseases are inevitable.

This is nothing to do with science. There are many more scientists in the world than those willing to sell their souls for the governments £

This is about controlling people. Nothing about it makes sense. I just want to scream "Wake the fuck up, the king is naked"

Date: Oct 5 11:13 AM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Unless this was man made....which so many now seem convinced that it is.
People spouting conspiracy bollocks online can be as convinced as they like Syl but that ridiculous 'theory' (to dignify the term) has been debunked time and time again by science.
Why is it social media seems to make people think they know better than the worlds greatest experts who have spent their entire lives/careers researching such things?
It baffles me because so many of them are believed - mind you it has made some of them a shitload of money - just look at that fraud Ike.
Rant over.
Surely it depends on what greatest experts and professionals you follow or listen too? I'm sure Syl isn't just listening to joe blogs on FB and its very patronising of you to keep saying things like that about people.
Just a coincidence there is a lab in Wuhan that specialises in virology and virologists from that lab right from the start have been saying it came from there. Even the former head of MI6 has said they believe it comes from the lab as well as other professionals, scientists etc throughout the world
I'm personally more surprised anyone still blindly believes it came from bats without questioning it.

Incoming...has the Ike forum shut down?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

More and more I'm believing this was a man made virus, obviously that doesn't mean it's less deadly than if it originated in the wet market in Wuhan, which disgusting though the markets are, and are no doubt the cause of many localised illnesses, have thrived for many decades without bringing the whole world to a halt.

The lab in Wuhan was said to be studying and experimenting with bats at the same time this outbreak began....which is possibly months earlier than what we were originally told. Scientists there
were studying and experimenting on captured bats originating from caves in Yunnan which is 1000 miles away from Wuhan. The Covid 19 virus has been traced back to the bats which were living in those caves, which, if true, is too much of a coincidence imo.
This programme was funded for over 3 million pounds by the the USA by the way.

Of course, there are so many conflicting stories and as Trump would say FAKE NEWS..... none of us can say for sure who's telling the truth and who isn't.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
More and more I'm believing this was a man made virus, obviously that doesn't mean it's less deadly than if it originated in the wet market in Wuhan, which disgusting though the markets are, and are no doubt the cause of many localised illnesses, have thrived for many decades without bringing the whole world to a halt.

The lab in Wuhan was said to be studying and experimenting with bats at the same time this outbreak began....which is possibly months earlier than what we were originally told. Scientists there
were studying and experimenting on captured bats originating from caves in Yunnan which is 1000 miles away from Wuhan. The Covid 19 virus has been traced back to the bats which were living in those caves, which, if true, is too much of a coincidence imo.
This programme was funded for over 3 million pounds by the the USA by the way.

Of course, there are so many conflicting stories and as Trump would say FAKE NEWS..... none of us can say for sure who's telling the truth and who isn't.

If there was no lab in Wuhan, then yes, it might be more plausible that the virus developed naturally. I remember a tiny bit of news way back in November 2019 showing the Chinese running around Wuhan in hazmat suits. Even then I thought, why are they running around like that if this is just flu or some unknown virus? I think they knew exactly what it was and were shitting themselves.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

If it did come from the Wuhan lab, I bet it was human error....I doubt anyone no matter how insane or despotic would release such a deadly virus intentionally, not unless a vaccine had already been found ....and it seems not.

God, can you imagine being the idiot who accidently brought this out into the world??

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Unless this was man made....which so many now seem convinced that it is.
People spouting conspiracy bollocks online can be as convinced as they like Syl but that ridiculous 'theory' (to dignify the term) has been debunked time and time again by science.
Why is it social media seems to make people think they know better than the worlds greatest experts who have spent their entire lives/careers researching such things?
It baffles me because so many of them are believed - mind you it has made some of them a shitload of money - just look at that fraud Ike.
Rant over.
Surely it depends on what greatest experts and professionals you follow or listen too? I'm sure Syl isn't just listening to joe blogs on FB and its very patronising of you to keep saying things like that about people.
Just a coincidence there is a lab in Wuhan that specialises in virology and virologists from that lab right from the start have been saying it came from there. Even the former head of MI6 has said they believe it comes from the lab as well as other professionals, scientists etc throughout the world
I'm personally more surprised anyone still blindly believes it came from bats without questioning it.
Incoming...has the Ike forum shut down?