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JP · Burning up the forum

RE: If Trump refuses to accept the result of the election if he loses - then what happens?

Maddog · Go Outside

I'm pretty sure this thing formed like the Spanish Flu and every lesser outbreak since that one.

Maybe the Chinese were cooking something up in their lab, but history shows mother nature needs no help for certain mutations to become very deadly now and then.

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
More and more I'm believing this was a man made virus, obviously that doesn't mean it's less deadly than if it originated in the wet market in Wuhan, which disgusting though the markets are, and are no doubt the cause of many localised illnesses, have thrived for many decades without bringing the whole world to a halt.

The lab in Wuhan was said to be studying and experimenting with bats at the same time this outbreak began....which is possibly months earlier than what we were originally told. Scientists there
were studying and experimenting on captured bats originating from caves in Yunnan which is 1000 miles away from Wuhan. The Covid 19 virus has been traced back to the bats which were living in those caves, which, if true, is too much of a coincidence imo.
This programme was funded for over 3 million pounds by the the USA by the way.

Of course, there are so many conflicting stories and as Trump would say FAKE NEWS..... none of us can say for sure who's telling the truth and who isn't.

I was watching Speedway on the TV over the weekend. From Poland. Thousands in the crowd. Many had no masks on. If people look it up they'll see Poland has barely been touched by this virus. Why? It is all very strange.

I might have to look up exactly what they've been doing throughout this pandemic.

-- Edited by JP on Monday 5th of October 2020 03:54:34 PM

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
I'm pretty sure this thing formed like the Spanish Flu and every lesser outbreak since that one.

Maybe the Chinese were cooking something up in their lab, but history shows mother nature needs no help for certain mutations to become very deadly now and then.

One of the reasons cited for the mortality rate of Spanish flu was a lack of quarantine.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
If it did come from the Wuhan lab, I bet it was human error....I doubt anyone no matter how insane or despotic would release such a deadly virus intentionally, not unless a vaccine had already been found ....and it seems not.

God, can you imagine being the idiot who accidently brought this out into the world??

Well, they've done it before...so why not again?

John Doe · Still Here!

There are so many articles on this very topic it's hard to choose the best one that proves COVID-19 is a Zoonotic disease but here are just a couple.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-lab-manmade-myth-debunked-2020-6?r=US&IR=T

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300115280/covid19-fact-check-five-reasons-why-the-coronavirus-is-not-manmade

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
And also seeing as you clearly want to get into this. You've done this numerous times before bring up Cumming's as though it wins you the discussion.

There have been plenty of actual MPs who have behaved far more appallingly than anything Cumming's did. The SNP MP being the latest one.

It is funny how you don't want to talk about any clear-cut rule breakers. It's always Cumming's on your mind.
I was just stating a fact JP.
You at the time didn’t believe that Cummings did anything wrong.
He broke the rules, especially after claiming he had symptoms. He should have been sacked.
The SNP MP who travelled to London and back after testing positive for covid19 should have been sacked.
These are people in authority and if nothing is to be done about them, then ordinary people who get fined
for breaking the rules, we will never be rid of this virus.
So calm your jets JP.

Cumming's broke no rules. Fact. Police said that.
It looks like you have a more serious form of "Load of old Tosh Disease"

It must be catching

JP · Burning up the forum

Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
JP wrote:
And also seeing as you clearly want to get into this. You've done this numerous times before bring up Cumming's as though it wins you the discussion.

There have been plenty of actual MPs who have behaved far more appallingly than anything Cumming's did. The SNP MP being the latest one.

It is funny how you don't want to talk about any clear-cut rule breakers. It's always Cumming's on your mind.
I was just stating a fact JP.
You at the time didn’t believe that Cummings did anything wrong.
He broke the rules, especially after claiming he had symptoms. He should have been sacked.
The SNP MP who travelled to London and back after testing positive for covid19 should have been sacked.
These are people in authority and if nothing is to be done about them, then ordinary people who get fined
for breaking the rules, we will never be rid of this virus.
So calm your jets JP.

Cumming's broke no rules. Fact. Police said that.
It looks like you have a more serious form of "Load of old Tosh Disease"
It must be catching

Let's hope we get a vaccine soon.

Tbh a forums wide vaccination programme is probably needed most people who frequent forums regular need a shot!

Vicks · Burning up the forum

Nicola Sturgeon is being urged to back a recall petition to have Coronavirus spreader Margaret Ferrier removed as an MP.

Ferrier has lost the SNP whip but has so far refused to resign and Sturgeon doesn't have the power to sack her.

So the FM is being urged to back the recall petition.

Under parlimentary rules a recall petition could be triggered if an MP is suspended from the house of commons for two weeks and any petition would then need the backing of at least ten percent of eliigible voters in their constituency.

These petition have worked in the past and as the arrogant cow won't resign, i can see no other way.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I wonder whether Trump really has had the virus, it could be a publicity stunt to back up what he has been bleating about all along, that the virus is nothing.
The fool has tweeted that a vaccine will be coming 'momentarily', wonder what he knows that all the scientists and experts put together dont?

He is also saying the virus is nothing to be scared of, it can be beaten, he has it and feels better than what he did 20 years ago....which must be a great comfort to the millions of family members who have lost a loved one from coronavirus.

Twizzler · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
I wonder whether Trump really has had the virus, it could be a publicity stunt to back up what he has been bleating about all along, that the virus is nothing.
The fool has tweeted that a vaccine will be coming 'momentarily', wonder what he knows that all the scientists and experts put together dont?

He is also saying the virus is nothing to be scared of, it can be beaten, he has it and feels better than what he did 20 years ago....which must be a great comfort to the millions of family members who have lost a loved one from coronavirus.

I don’t think he had it.

I think it was for sympathy to get more votes.

He only stayed in hospital 2 nights.

Boris was in nearly 2 weeks and he looked dreadful for weeks after.

Date: Oct 6 12:59 PM, 2020

What happens if Joe Biden and Kamala Harris win? What policies will they implement? They are supporting Black Lives Matter and Kamala Harris has said they will add Justices to the Supreme Court to ensure they can make fundamental changes to United States to combat systemic racism. Is this just electioneering or are they really going to do this? Can they also get rid of amendments to the Constitution and add new ones?

Date: Oct 6 1:14 PM, 2020

I just want to add that Joe Biden should easily win this election.

In the last election Donald Trump lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote.

One of the reasons why he won the electoral vote was because many people didn't like Hillary Clinton. She was a very polarising figure. Joe Biden doesn't have that problem.

This coupled with the bad press Donald Trump receives, his style of communication that many find repulsive, the economy tanking due to the lockdown and the street violence associated with his tenure means that the Democrats should win this election. It seems the majority of people just want his Presidency to end.

Given this, it is important to now consider what a Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Presidency would look like on its own merit.

Maddog · Go Outside

Twizzler wrote:
Syl wrote:
I wonder whether Trump really has had the virus, it could be a publicity stunt to back up what he has been bleating about all along, that the virus is nothing.
The fool has tweeted that a vaccine will be coming 'momentarily', wonder what he knows that all the scientists and experts put together dont?

He is also saying the virus is nothing to be scared of, it can be beaten, he has it and feels better than what he did 20 years ago....which must be a great comfort to the millions of family members who have lost a loved one from coronavirus.
I don’t think he had it.
I think it was for sympathy to get more votes.
He only stayed in hospital 2 nights.
Boris was in nearly 2 weeks and he looked dreadful for weeks after.

Most people who have it, never go to the hospital. And while I think he would lie, you couldnt get all of the doctors at Walter Reed to go along with that. I'm pretty sure if he wasnt the president, he would have been told to ride it out at home like the vast majority of people do.

And for a man like Trump, catching this shows weakness . It also makes him look like a fool, which is why his poll numbers continue to slide.

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
I just want to add that Joe Biden should easily win this election.
In the last election Donald Trump lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote.
One of the reasons why he won the electoral vote was because many people didn't like Hillary Clinton. She was a very polarising figure. Joe Biden doesn't have that problem.
This coupled with the bad press Donald Trump receives, his style of communication that many find repulsive, the economy tanking due to the lockdown and the street violence associated with his tenure means that the Democrats should win this election. It seems the majority of people just want his Presidency to end.
Given this, it is important to now consider what a Joe Biden - Kamala Harris Presidency would look like on its own merit.

They will raise taxes, and spend more money.

A lot depends on how the Senate goes. If the Republicans keep 51 seats, they can stop Biden when they want.

Since my girl doesnt have a chance in hell, the best scenario for me is that the Senate rams through the ACB nomination and the Senate stays red. This way nothing really changes much in terms of serious legislation. And regardless of my feelings on some of the SC justices, the ones on the right typically dont pretend to have mystical powers in regards to the constitution.

Of course a lot depends on how long Biden lasts. Dont be surprised if he isn't ushered out a few months after he is sworn in and thanked for his service.

JP · Burning up the forum

Maddog wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Syl wrote:
I wonder whether Trump really has had the virus, it could be a publicity stunt to back up what he has been bleating about all along, that the virus is nothing.
The fool has tweeted that a vaccine will be coming 'momentarily', wonder what he knows that all the scientists and experts put together dont?

He is also saying the virus is nothing to be scared of, it can be beaten, he has it and feels better than what he did 20 years ago....which must be a great comfort to the millions of family members who have lost a loved one from coronavirus.
I don’t think he had it.
I think it was for sympathy to get more votes.
He only stayed in hospital 2 nights.
Boris was in nearly 2 weeks and he looked dreadful for weeks after.
Most people who have it, never go to the hospital. And while I think he would lie, you couldnt get all of the doctors at Walter Reed to go along with that. I'm pretty sure if he wasnt the president, he would have been told to ride it out at home like the vast majority of people do.

And for a man like Trump, catching this shows weakness . It also makes him look like a fool, which is why his poll numbers continue to slide.

I don't know this for a fact. But going by the statistics you see, and what you hear. It seems that a 74 year old who's somewhat overweight is highly unlikely to just breeze through covid19 has he "so far" appears to have done. Although I'm sure it's possible.

I say "so far" because according to some DRs over here after contracting the virus some people feel good after only a short period of time. But then a few days later they precede go downhill pretty fast and rather badly. Hopefully it doesn't happen to Trump. If he's still feeling good by the end of the week and into the weekend then he will no doubt be over it for sure.

As for this being a scam. Well I think anything is possible with this POTUS. If it was a scam they haven't been very subtle about it, things such as the POTUS saying he hasn't felt this great for 20 years and the like. Will trigger some people's suspicions.

Vicks · Burning up the forum

Maddog · Go Outside

JP wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Syl wrote:
I wonder whether Trump really has had the virus, it could be a publicity stunt to back up what he has been bleating about all along, that the virus is nothing.
The fool has tweeted that a vaccine will be coming 'momentarily', wonder what he knows that all the scientists and experts put together dont?

He is also saying the virus is nothing to be scared of, it can be beaten, he has it and feels better than what he did 20 years ago....which must be a great comfort to the millions of family members who have lost a loved one from coronavirus.
I don’t think he had it.
I think it was for sympathy to get more votes.
He only stayed in hospital 2 nights.
Boris was in nearly 2 weeks and he looked dreadful for weeks after.
Most people who have it, never go to the hospital. And while I think he would lie, you couldnt get all of the doctors at Walter Reed to go along with that. I'm pretty sure if he wasnt the president, he would have been told to ride it out at home like the vast majority of people do.

And for a man like Trump, catching this shows weakness . It also makes him look like a fool, which is why his poll numbers continue to slide.
I don't know this for a fact. But going by the statistics you see, and what you hear. It seems that a 74 year old who's somewhat overweight is highly unlikely to just breeze through covid19 has he "so far" appears to have done. Although I'm sure it's possible.
I say "so far" because according to some DRs over here after contracting the virus some people feel good after only a short period of time. But then a few days later they precede go downhill pretty fast and rather badly. Hopefully it doesn't happen to Trump. If he's still feeling good by the end of the week and into the weekend then he will no doubt be over it for sure.
As for this being a scam. Well I think anything is possible with this POTUS. If it was a scam they haven't been very subtle about it, things such as the POTUS saying he hasn't felt this great for 20 years and the like. Will trigger some people's suspicions.

He could still be fairly sick too. Unlike you or I, he can treated by some of the best doctors in the world, in his own bed.

They can medicate and treat him in the White House. I imagine the trip to the hospital was a precaution. He doesnt have a serious enough case to warrant being in the hospital and can be treated by his own doctor at home.

And lets not forget that he can be transported to a hospital bed in literally minutes if it's necessary.

Maddog · Go Outside

JP wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Twizzler wrote:
Syl wrote:
I wonder whether Trump really has had the virus, it could be a publicity stunt to back up what he has been bleating about all along, that the virus is nothing.
The fool has tweeted that a vaccine will be coming 'momentarily', wonder what he knows that all the scientists and experts put together dont?

He is also saying the virus is nothing to be scared of, it can be beaten, he has it and feels better than what he did 20 years ago....which must be a great comfort to the millions of family members who have lost a loved one from coronavirus.
I don’t think he had it.
I think it was for sympathy to get more votes.
He only stayed in hospital 2 nights.
Boris was in nearly 2 weeks and he looked dreadful for weeks after.
Most people who have it, never go to the hospital. And while I think he would lie, you couldnt get all of the doctors at Walter Reed to go along with that. I'm pretty sure if he wasnt the president, he would have been told to ride it out at home like the vast majority of people do.

And for a man like Trump, catching this shows weakness . It also makes him look like a fool, which is why his poll numbers continue to slide.
I don't know this for a fact. But going by the statistics you see, and what you hear. It seems that a 74 year old who's somewhat overweight is highly unlikely to just breeze through covid19 has he "so far" appears to have done. Although I'm sure it's possible.
I say "so far" because according to some DRs over here after contracting the virus some people feel good after only a short period of time. But then a few days later they precede go downhill pretty fast and rather badly. Hopefully it doesn't happen to Trump. If he's still feeling good by the end of the week and into the weekend then he will no doubt be over it for sure.
As for this being a scam. Well I think anything is possible with this POTUS. If it was a scam they haven't been very subtle about it, things such as the POTUS saying he hasn't felt this great for 20 years and the like. Will trigger some people's suspicions.

He could still be fairly sick too. Unlike you or I, he can treated by some of the best doctors in the world, in his own bed.

They can medicate and treat him in the White House. I imagine the trip to the hospital was a precaution. He doesnt have a serious enough case to warrant being in the hospital and can be treated by his own doctor at home.

And lets not forget that he can be transported to a hospital bed in literally minutes if it's necessary.

Maddog · Go Outside

In addition to his suite at the military hospital in Bethesda, Md., the most notable advantage Trump enjoys is access to an experimental antibody treatment that has been given to fewer than 10 people under the “compassionate use” program that the president’s doctors employed to obtain the drug from its manufacturer, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals. About 2,000 others have received the drug or a placebo because they are enrolled in the company’s clinical trial.

www.washingtonpost.com/health/an-army-of-doctors-access-to-an-experimental-drug-a-special-patient-gets-special-care/2020/10/03/ba3e1e32-05b0-11eb-897d-3a6201d6643f_story.html