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‘Parent shouting Allahu Akbar’ beheads Paris teacher ‘for showing pupils cartoons of the Prophet in class’

Digger · Admin

Muslim leaders condemned the killing, which many public figures perceived as an attack on the essence of French statehood and its values of secularism, freedom of worship and freedom of expression.

Tareq Oubrou, the imam of a Bordeaux mosque, said of the killing, 'It is not a civilisation that kills an innocent person, it is barbarity'.

John Doe · Still Here!

Quite frankly fuck the extremists.

If they want to have a medieval life then they should piss off somewhere else not live in a Western democracy - it's that simple.

Imagine if someone tried to make a comedy film about the 7th century (probably fictional) warlord like The Life of Brian (which was not actually about Yeshua ben Yosef but a satire of religion in general) - there would be mass murder and riots on the streets.

Organised religion especially Islam (and Wahhbism in particular) is by it's very nature totally divisive because the warlord's teachings are the literal word of God and therefor inviolate and cannot be changed or modernised to suit the 21st century unlike say The Church of England.

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 17th of October 2020 07:18:00 PM

Digger · Admin

John Doe wrote:
Quite frankly fuck the extremists.
If they want to have a medieval life then they should piss off somewhere else not live in a Western democracy - it's that simple.
Imagine if someone tried to make a comedy film about the 7th century (probably fictional) warlord like The Life of Brian (which was not actually about Yeshua ben Yosef but a satire of religion in general) - there would be mass murder and riots on the streets.
Organised religion especially Islam (and Wahhbism in particular) is by it's very nature totally divisive because the warlord's teachings are the literal word of God and therefor inviolate and cannot be changed or modernised to suit the 21st century unlike say The Church of England.

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 17th of October 2020 07:18:00 PM

The Church of England and Catholicism has had to change. I'm glad it has, because you can't preach medieval dogma to a 21st century congregation. We know have women vicars, etc. And that's how it should be.

-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:40:34 AM

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Quite frankly fuck the extremists.
If they want to have a medieval life then they should piss off somewhere else not live in a Western democracy - it's that simple.
Imagine if someone tried to make a comedy film about the 7th century (probably fictional) warlord like The Life of Brian (which was not actually about Yeshua ben Yosef but a satire of religion in general) - there would be mass murder and riots on the streets.
Organised religion especially Islam (and Wahhbism in particular) is by it's very nature totally divisive because the warlord's teachings are the literal word of God and therefor inviolate and cannot be changed or modernised to suit the 21st century unlike say The Church of England.

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 17th of October 2020 07:18:00 PM
The Church of England and Catholicism has had to change. I'm glad it has, because you can't preach medieval dogma to a 21st century congregation. We know have women vicars, etc. And that's how it should be.

-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:40:34 AM

Exactly - the chances of a female Imam in the next few decades (at least) are absolute zero, especially in Wahhabism were women are regarded as fundamentally inferior to men.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 06:26:11 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.

Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.

The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM

Digger · Admin

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM

Brahim Chnina is, in my opinion, and the opinion of many, to be the architect of this atrocity. He published this man's personal RL details on social media, then whipped up a storm at the local mosque. If that isn't incitement to murder, I don't know what is. He knew it cause a furore, and it did. In the worst possible way. There's even suggestions that his daughter was not even in the class at the time.

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM
Brahim Chnina is, in my opinion, and the opinion of many, to be the architect of this atrocity. He published this man's personal RL details on social media, then whipped up a storm at the local mosque. If that isn't incitement to murder, I don't know what is. He knew it cause a furore, and it did. In the worst possible way. There's even suggestions that his daughter was not even in the class at the time.

Yeah, the evil bastard knew what he was doing alright.

John Doe · Still Here!

So many of the comments of Youtube defending the beheading have me just shaking my head in disgust.

People seriously believe showing a few cartoons of a savage and murderous desert warlord who (if he did exist) has been dust for 1,400 years justifies cutting off an innocent man's head in front of a load of schoolchildren.

Of course the fact that he married a six year old Aisha and raped her at the age of nine when he was in his late 50's (again if the legends are true) is never mentioned either.

Hardly the actions of the 'most perfect man who ever lived'.

The human race really is a strange and contradictory species and religion is a prime if not the prime example.

-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 19th of October 2020 03:32:11 AM

Date: Oct 19 3:30 AM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM

Funny, you sound like Trump

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM
Funny, you sound like Trump

Really?

Using a man's murder to have a cheap anonymous dig?

-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 19th of October 2020 07:10:37 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM
Funny, you sound like Trump

"The Muslim bans are a series of discriminatory executive orders and proclamations issued by the Trump administration. President Trump signed the first version, Muslim Ban 1.0, on Jan. 27, 2017, and it became effective that day. Within a day, thousands of concerned people across the U.S. rushed to airports in protest. Significant portions of the ban, as well as later versions of it, were immediately blocked by federal courts, which found each iteration to be blatantly anti-Muslim, unconstitutional, and an abuse of the president’s power. While significant sectors of the American public agree, the U.S. Supreme Court, in a 5-4 opinion issued on June 26, 2018, unfortunately allowed the third iteration of the ban to remain in place permanently, pending further legal challenges. Because of the devastating impact of this decision, which is separating American families and endangering vulnerable populations, we continue to fight the Muslim bans in our courtrooms, Congress, and on the streets."

He's gotta point.

Maddog · Go Outside

Part of the problem is French and European hate speech laws. Because hate speech is illegal, the line gets very blurred. Hate speech laws encourage recipients of hate speech or something close, to feel offended and righteous in their indignation. After all, some if it is illegal so it must be bad, right?

This is why I support free speech that includes hate speech. People are encouraged to suck it up and grow a pair. Its ugly at times, but I think it's better than the alternative.

Take the Westboro freaks. Almost all Americans despised their message, but we knew that it was protected. You are allowed to hold signs that say "God hates fags". As far as I know, none of them were ever harmed.

These riled up young men at a mosque see some hate speech prosecuted and wonder why funny pics of Big Mo, aren't considered hate speech. They see inconsistency and a double standard. Throw in some poverty and peer pressure and they are off.

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
Part of the problem is French and European hate speech laws. Because hate speech is illegal, the line gets very blurred. Hate speech laws encourage recipients of hate speech or something close, to feel offended and righteous in their indignation. After all, some if it is illegal so it must be bad, right?

This is why I support free speech that includes hate speech. People are encouraged to suck it up and grow a pair. Its ugly at times, but I think it's better than the alternative.

Take the Westboro freaks. Almost all Americans despised their message, but we knew that it was protected. You are allowed to hold signs that say "God hates fags". As far as I know, none of them were ever harmed.

These riled up young men at a mosque see some hate speech prosecuted and wonder why funny pics of Big Mo, aren't considered hate speech. They see inconsistency and a double standard. Throw in some poverty and peer pressure and they are off.

We live in a compensation culture, particularly in the UK. You can get sued for farting in the wrong place. So, there's this festering of outrage and being 'offended' by the slightest thing. The term 'racist' is in danger of becoming meaningless because it's bandied about at the slightest provocation.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Part of the problem is French and European hate speech laws. Because hate speech is illegal, the line gets very blurred. Hate speech laws encourage recipients of hate speech or something close, to feel offended and righteous in their indignation. After all, some if it is illegal so it must be bad, right?

This is why I support free speech that includes hate speech. People are encouraged to suck it up and grow a pair. Its ugly at times, but I think it's better than the alternative.

Take the Westboro freaks. Almost all Americans despised their message, but we knew that it was protected. You are allowed to hold signs that say "God hates fags". As far as I know, none of them were ever harmed.

These riled up young men at a mosque see some hate speech prosecuted and wonder why funny pics of Big Mo, aren't considered hate speech. They see inconsistency and a double standard. Throw in some poverty and peer pressure and they are off.
We live in a compensation culture, particularly in the UK. You can get sued for farting in the wrong place. So, there's this festering of outrage and being 'offended' by the slightest thing. The term 'racist' is in danger of becoming meaningless because it's bandied about at the slightest provocation.

No doubt. The term racist has become meaningless to me. But governments like France will prosecute hate speech. Just not all hate speech, because hate is so subjective. I think this policy causes more problems than it prevents.

I believe in a policy of telling people to "harden the fuck up".

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Part of the problem is French and European hate speech laws. Because hate speech is illegal, the line gets very blurred. Hate speech laws encourage recipients of hate speech or something close, to feel offended and righteous in their indignation. After all, some if it is illegal so it must be bad, right?

This is why I support free speech that includes hate speech. People are encouraged to suck it up and grow a pair. Its ugly at times, but I think it's better than the alternative.

Take the Westboro freaks. Almost all Americans despised their message, but we knew that it was protected. You are allowed to hold signs that say "God hates fags". As far as I know, none of them were ever harmed.

These riled up young men at a mosque see some hate speech prosecuted and wonder why funny pics of Big Mo, aren't considered hate speech. They see inconsistency and a double standard. Throw in some poverty and peer pressure and they are off.
We live in a compensation culture, particularly in the UK. You can get sued for farting in the wrong place. So, there's this festering of outrage and being 'offended' by the slightest thing. The term 'racist' is in danger of becoming meaningless because it's bandied about at the slightest provocation.

You racist!

Digger · Admin

John Doe wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Part of the problem is French and European hate speech laws. Because hate speech is illegal, the line gets very blurred. Hate speech laws encourage recipients of hate speech or something close, to feel offended and righteous in their indignation. After all, some if it is illegal so it must be bad, right?

This is why I support free speech that includes hate speech. People are encouraged to suck it up and grow a pair. Its ugly at times, but I think it's better than the alternative.

Take the Westboro freaks. Almost all Americans despised their message, but we knew that it was protected. You are allowed to hold signs that say "God hates fags". As far as I know, none of them were ever harmed.

These riled up young men at a mosque see some hate speech prosecuted and wonder why funny pics of Big Mo, aren't considered hate speech. They see inconsistency and a double standard. Throw in some poverty and peer pressure and they are off.
We live in a compensation culture, particularly in the UK. You can get sued for farting in the wrong place. So, there's this festering of outrage and being 'offended' by the slightest thing. The term 'racist' is in danger of becoming meaningless because it's bandied about at the slightest provocation.
You racist!

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Part of the problem is French and European hate speech laws. Because hate speech is illegal, the line gets very blurred. Hate speech laws encourage recipients of hate speech or something close, to feel offended and righteous in their indignation. After all, some if it is illegal so it must be bad, right?

This is why I support free speech that includes hate speech. People are encouraged to suck it up and grow a pair. Its ugly at times, but I think it's better than the alternative.

Take the Westboro freaks. Almost all Americans despised their message, but we knew that it was protected. You are allowed to hold signs that say "God hates fags". As far as I know, none of them were ever harmed.

These riled up young men at a mosque see some hate speech prosecuted and wonder why funny pics of Big Mo, aren't considered hate speech. They see inconsistency and a double standard. Throw in some poverty and peer pressure and they are off.
We live in a compensation culture, particularly in the UK. You can get sued for farting in the wrong place. So, there's this festering of outrage and being 'offended' by the slightest thing. The term 'racist' is in danger of becoming meaningless because it's bandied about at the slightest provocation.
You racist!

Raggamuffin · 1000 Posts!?

Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Not that this really matters, but it wasn't a parent that did this. It was an 18 year old that reacted to a Youtube video he saw on Facebook, posted by one of the parents. Apparently the story had gone viral in France and the school and teacher had been getting threats for a few days.
Of course he was getting threats, it is the religion of peace after all.
The parents who posted the video must have known it would inflame some fanatical zealot so they are complicit in the poor man's death.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 18th of October 2020 11:53:37 PM
Brahim Chnina is, in my opinion, and the opinion of many, to be the architect of this atrocity. He published this man's personal RL details on social media, then whipped up a storm at the local mosque. If that isn't incitement to murder, I don't know what is. He knew it cause a furore, and it did. In the worst possible way. There's even suggestions that his daughter was not even in the class at the time.

I don't know if he's one of the people arrested, and I've only seen one of his videos. He apparently used social media to whip up hatred against the teacher, and now social media will hopefully get him convicted if he did that. Using social media can really backfire sometimes.