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Maddog wrote:

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Well, it appears they are going to keep counting in Georgia until the folks in Fulton county get the desired result. 😉

This doesnt bode well for my country. Trump supporters are never going to accept this Banana Republic like election that has dragged on for days with Biden gaining ground every hour.

It may just be incompetence not fraud but either way it looks bad.

Somehow we had very close races in 2016 and we had those races called the night of the election, or the next morning.

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 Doesn't bode well at all.   "oh look here's another 100.000 ballets under the carpet that someone dropped,   wow and all for Joe as well"  

So many cases of observers not being allowed to watch.  loads of the figures just don't add up, there are more votes than registered voters more votes than people who even live there. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1324576812454858753 

 

I have seen more than a few of these 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1324428158339321858

 

Seen many where people have looked online at their vote and it's been cancelled, looks like the Dems have exceeded themselves in their corruption. 

 Good because even those who support them are starting to see it and are actually calling it out   only the blind with hatred or the blind drunk can't or won't see it  

I find it absolutely scary that a country like the US of A is letting this happen, it is a banana republic Maddog no going back from this.  

 

It will all come out in the end, the truth always does.  

 

 

 

 

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Bodes well for the world as the orange prick can't stop the tide for Joe now. 

Corrupt - don't make me fucking laugh your orange God has filled the Whitehouse with his family in key positions - he is the most corrupt POTUS the USA has ever seen.

Oh and you can shove your preposterous conspiracy theories right up your arse! 

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 6th of November 2020 06:36:04 PM

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Ten of the best?

10. He continued to deliver for the forgotten Americans. Unemployment is at record lows; this year the number of job openings outnumbered the unemployed workers to fill them by the widest gap ever; wages are rising, and low-wage workers are experiencing the fastest pay increases. Fifty-seven percent of Americans say they are better off financially since Trump took office.

9. He implemented tighter work requirements for food stamps. With unemployment at historic lows, there is no reason more people should not be earning their success through productive work. The rules apply only to able-bodied, childless adults. When we require people to work for public assistance, we not only help meet their material needs but also help them achieve the dignity and pride that come with being a contributing member of our community. Work is a blessing, not a punishment.

 

 

8. He has got NATO allies to cough up more money for our collective security. Allies have increased defense spending by $130 billion since 2016. And the White House reports almost twice as many allies are meeting their commitment to spend 2 percent of gross domestic product on defense today than before Trump arrived.

7. He stood with the people of Hong Kong. He warned China not to use violence to suppress pro-democracy protests and signed the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act. Hong Kong people marched with American flags and sang our national anthem in gratitude.

6. His withdrawal from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty is delivering China and North Korea a strategic setback. The United States is now testing new, previously banned intermediate-range missiles. These weapons will allow us to compete with China’s massive investment in these capabilities, and also provide a fallback in the likely case negotiations with North Korea fail — obviating the need for temporary deployments of U.S. carrier battle groups and allowing us to put North Korea permanently in our crosshairs.

 

 

5. His “maximum pressure” campaign is crippling Iran. Iran’s economy is contracting, inflation is spiraling and the regime has been forced to cut funding for its terrorist proxies, including Hezbollah and Hamas, the Iranian military and the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). And now the Iranian people are engaged in the largest popular uprising since the 1979 revolution.

4. His tariff threats forced Mexico to crack down on illegal immigration. Mexico is for the first time in recent history enforcing its own immigration laws — sending thousands of National Guard forces to its southern border to stop caravans of Central American migrants. Plus, Congress is poised to approve the U.S.-Mexico-Canada free-trade agreement, which would not have been possible without the threat of tariffs.

3. He delivered the biggest blow to Planned Parenthood in three decades. Thanks to Trump’s Protect Life Rule that prohibits Title X family planning funds from going to any clinic that performs on-site abortions — Planned Parenthood announced this year that it is leaving the Title X program barring a court victory. This is a major pro-life victory and another reason Christian conservatives continue to support him.

 

 

2. He ordered the operation that killed Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. It was a high-risk mission that required U.S. forces to fly hundreds of miles into terrorist-controlled territory. If things had gone horribly wrong, Trump would have been blamed. That risk is why former vice president Joe Biden advised President Barack Obama not to carry out the raid that killed Osama bin Laden. Trump did not hesitate the way Biden did.

1. He has continued to appoint conservative judges at a record pace. The Senate recently confirmed Trump’s 50th pick for the federal circuit courts of appeal, which have final say over about 60,000 cases a year. In three years, Trump has appointed just five fewer circuit court judges than Obama appointed in eight years. And he has flipped three of these courts from liberal to conservative majorities, giving conservatives the majority in seven out of 13.

 

Or ten of the worst?

10. He ridiculously claimed “Our country is FULL.” We’re not full by a long shot. Thanks to Trump’s economic success, we have well over a million more job openings than unemployed workers to fill them. If Trump wants to keep this strong economy going, he needs more workers — and that means he needs more immigrants.

9. He used anti-Semitic tropes to attack his enemies. Trump was absolutely right to call out Reps. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) for their anti-Semitism — including the charge that Israel’s supporters in Congress are disloyal to the United States. But then Trump declared that “any Jewish people that vote for a Democrat” show “great disloyalty” — using the very same anti-Semitic trope that got Omar and Tlaib in trouble in the first place.

 

 

8. He said the Soviet Union was right to invade Afghanistan and congratulated China on the 70th anniversary of the Communist takeover. The U.S.S.R. did not invade Afghanistan “because terrorists were going into Russia” and they were not “right to be there,” as Trump claimed. They went in to prevent the replacement of a Soviet puppet regime with a regime friendly to the United States. As for China, 65 million of the roughly 100 million people killed by Communist regimes during the 20th century were killed by China. It is the most murderous regime in human history.

7. He lost a needless government shutdown fight. In 2018, the Senate Appropriations Committee approved $1.6 billion for 65 miles of border fencing by an overwhelming bipartisan vote. Instead of taking the deal, Trump shut down the government and demanded $5.7 billion. He ended up with less — $1.38 billion — than he would have if he had just gone along with the bipartisan deal.

6. He used his emergency authority to circumvent Congress on the border wall. After losing the shutdown fight, Trump used the National Emergencies Act to appropriate funds for a policy priority after Congress specifically refused to do so legislatively. Not only was this an abuse of power; it also was completely unnecessary. He could have reprogrammed money from other Treasury and Defense Department accounts without invoking his emergency powers. Instead, he chose a direct assault on Congress’s constitutional powers, and Republicans shamefully went along.

5. He continued to spread the canard that the United States is fighting “endless wars.” Our force levels in Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan are a shadow of their former selves, and U.S. forces are arming and training allies who are doing the fighting for us. That is the right strategy. Yet Trump continues to channel his inner Barack Obama and seek complete U.S. withdrawal.

4. He continued to attack dead people. Just as Trump blasted former senator John McCain long after his death, this month he launched a broadside against the late representative John Dingell that suggested he was “looking up” from hell — an attack that shocked his widow, Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.), who was preparing for her first Christmas without him. Want to know why, despite a humming economy, Trump’s popularity remains mired in the low 40s? It’s stuff like this.

3. He asked the president of Ukraine to investigate Hunter Biden. His phone call with President Volodymyr Zelensky was not “perfect” as Trump claimed. After special counsel Robert S. Mueller III found that Trump did not conspire with Russia in 2016, Trump decided to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by giving Democrats the pretext they had been looking for to impeach him.

 

 

2. He invited the Taliban to Camp David. The terrorist group’s leaders would have sat at the very table where U.S. officials planned the overthrow of their regime, to accept the terms of America’s surrender on the eve of the 18th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks they facilitated. The disaster was only averted because the Taliban chose to rub defeat in Trump’s face by killing an American soldier. The invitation was possibly the most shameful moment of the Trump presidency.

1. He gave Turkey a green light to invade Syria and attack our Kurdish allies. The Kurds suffered 11,000 casualties in the fight against the Islamic State since 2014 and gave us the critical intelligence that led us to Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s doorstep. After watching Trump abandon the Kurds to be slaughtered, why would anyone step forward to help the United States in the fight against Islamist radicalism?

 

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 That's the problem with the lunatic. He's such a mixed bag. He is a bit of a sociopath, but has made some helpful changes too.  

It's going to be wonderful when Trump wins.   It's not going to be pretty when those who hate Trump realise to what extent they were fooled by other governments. 

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Oh and they are already talking about The Supreme Court - when exactly did the Republicans (the party of Lincoln) lose all sense of decency?

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 When the Democrats decided to cheat in an election.   Just because you hate trump it should not make you accept what went on.   The courts will investigate and in that I have faith.  

 

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I have faith that getting on your knees and praying like Trump's supporters have been doing will not make any difference to the result either.

He is a liar, a fraud and a psychopath and has been a total embarrassment to your country around the world.

 

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 That's the problem with the lunatic. He's such a mixed bag. He is a bit of a sociopath, but has made some helpful changes too.  

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You call Donald Trump a sociopath and John Doe calls him a psychopath (amongst other things).

Do you really believe that?   There was a Yale Professor on CNN I think decrying that Donald Trump was worse than Adolf Hitler, claiming that Adolf Hitler had many positives compared to Donald Trump.  A Yale Professor of Mental Health I believe.

Jesus H Christ!  even Biden speech was fake!!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1325093166807191553

This is just too darn weird  

https://twitter.com/i/status/1324969142076628994

At the Biden rallies  it always seemed to be full of jeeps,  empty jeeps at that   I wonder if they came from the local dealership 

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 That's the problem with the lunatic. He's such a mixed bag. He is a bit of a sociopath, but has made some helpful changes too.  

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You call Donald Trump a sociopath and John Doe calls him a psychopath (amongst other things).

 

Do you really believe that?   There was a Yale Professor on CNN I think decrying that Donald Trump was worse than Adolf Hitler, claiming that Adolf Hitler had many positives compared to Donald Trump.  A Yale Professor of Mental Health I believe.

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He is not a sociopath he is a psychopath there is a subtle difference, psychopaths are born, sociopaths are made.

I am laughing at some other anonymous posters desperately clinging onto every single last conspiracy theory and painting him as some sort of victim of the 'Deep State.'

Do they actually know how the rest of the world sees their orange God?

From what I have seen every single person who has worked for Joe and Kamala has said what decent people they are.

Unlike Trump and his repellent family.

Baseless smears on here won't work.

When the going gets tough the tough go golfing - that shows what utter contempt he really has for the American people.

As do the conspiracy theorists who believe so many people would commit fraud just to hurt poor ickle Donald.

It's utterly laughable.

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Maddog wrote:

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 That's the problem with the lunatic. He's such a mixed bag. He is a bit of a sociopath, but has made some helpful changes too.  

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You call Donald Trump a sociopath and John Doe calls him a psychopath (amongst other things).

 

Do you really believe that?   There was a Yale Professor on CNN I think decrying that Donald Trump was worse than Adolf Hitler, claiming that Adolf Hitler had many positives compared to Donald Trump.  A Yale Professor of Mental Health I believe.

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 I do think he's a bit of a sociopath. 

That's different than a psychopath. 

JD is more animated than me in terms of Trump. I have no idea why. 

I don't think Trump is a psychopath.   He's more like a spoiled brat used to getting his own way.  If you can arsed read this written by DAN P. MCADAMS a psychology professor at Northwestern University . 

There are countless ways to differentiate one person from the next, but psychologists have settled on a taxonomy, known as the Big Five:

Extroversion: gregariousness, social dominance, enthusiasm, reward-seeking behavior

Neuroticism: anxiety, emotional instability, depressive tendencies, negative emotions

Conscientiousness: industriousness, discipline, rule abidance, organization

Agreeableness: warmth, care for others, altruism, compassion, modesty

Openness: curiosity, unconventionality, imagination, receptivity to new ideas

Research decisively shows that higher scores on extroversion are associated with greater happiness and broader social connections, higher scores on conscientiousness predict greater success in school and at work, and higher scores on agreeableness are associated with deeper relationships.

By contrast, higher scores on neuroticism are always bad, having proved to be a risk factor for unhappiness, dysfunctional relationships, and mental-health problems.

From adolescence through midlife, many people tend to become more conscientious and agreeable, and less neurotic, but these changes are typically slight: The Big Five personality traits are pretty stable across a person’s lifetime.

The psychologists Steven J. Rubenzer and Thomas R. Faschingbauer, in conjunction with about 120 historians and other experts, have rated all the former U.S. presidents, going back to George Washington, on all five of the trait dimensions. George W. Bush comes out as especially high on extroversion and low on openness to experience—a highly enthusiastic and outgoing social actor who tends to be incurious and intellectually rigid. Barack Obama is relatively introverted, at least for a politician, and almost preternaturally low on neuroticism—emotionally calm and dispassionate, perhaps to a fault.

Across his lifetime, Donald Trump has exhibited a trait profile that you would not expect of a U.S. president: sky-high extroversion combined with off-the-chart low agreeableness. There is nothing especially subtle about trait attributions. We are not talking here about deep, unconscious processes or clinical diagnoses. As social actors, our performances are out there for everyone to see.Like George W. Bush and Bill Clinton (and Teddy Roosevelt, who tops the presidential extroversion list), Trump plays his role in an outgoing, exuberant, and socially dominant manner. He is a dynamo—driven, restless, unable to keep still. He gets by with very little sleep. 

A cardinal feature of high extroversion is relentless reward-seeking. Prompted by the activity of dopamine circuits in the brain, highly extroverted actors are driven to pursue positive emotional experiences, whether they come in the form of social approval, fame, or wealth. Indeed, it is the pursuit itself, more so even than the actual attainment of the goal, that extroverts find so gratifying. 

Trump loves his family, for sure. He is reported to be a generous and fair-minded boss. There is even a famous story about his meeting with a boy who was dying of cancer. A fan of The Apprentice, the young boy simply wanted Trump to tell him, “You’re fired!” Trump could not bring himself to do it, but instead wrote the boy a check for several thousand dollars and told him, “Go and have the time of your life.” But like extroversion and the other Big Five traits, agreeableness is about an overall style of relating to others and to the world, and these noteworthy exceptions run against the broad social reputation Trump has garnered as a remarkably disagreeable person, based upon a lifetime of widely observed interactions. People low in agreeableness are described as callous, rude, arrogant, and lacking in empathy. If Donald Trump does not score low on this personality dimension, then probably nobody does.

The real psychological wild card, however, is Trump’s agreeableness—or lack thereof. There has probably never been a U.S. president as consistently and overtly disagreeable on the public stage as Donald Trump is. 

 it is almost impossible to talk about Donald Trump without using the word narcissism. People with strong narcissistic needs want to love themselves, and they desperately want others to love them too—or at least admire them, see them as brilliant and powerful and beautiful, even just see them, period. The fundamental life goal is to promote the greatness of the self, for all to see. 

Whereas you might think that narcissism would be part of the job description for anybody aspiring to become the chief executive of the United States, American presidents appear to have varied widely on this psychological construct. In a 2013 Psychological Science research article, behavioural scientists ranked U.S. presidents on characteristics of what the authors called “grandiose narcissism.” Lyndon Johnson scored the highest, followed closely by Teddy Roosevelt and Andrew Jackson. Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Nixon, and Clinton were next. Millard Fillmore ranked the lowest. Correlating these ranks with objective indices of presidential performance, the researchers found that narcissism in presidents is something of a double-edged sword. On the positive side, grandiose narcissism is associated with initiating legislation, public persuasiveness, agenda setting, and historians’ ratings of “greatness.” On the negative side, it is also associated with unethical behaviour and congressional impeachment resolutions.

In business, government, sports, and many other arenas, people will put up with a great deal of self-serving and obnoxious behaviour on the part of narcissists as long as the narcissists continually perform at high levels. Steve Jobs was, in my opinion, every bit Trump’s equal when it comes to grandiose narcissism. He heaped abuse on colleagues, subordinates, and friends; cried, at age 27, when he learned that Time magazine had not chosen him to be Man of the Year; and got upset when he received a congratulatory phone call, following the iPad’s introduction in 2010, from President Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, rather than the president himself. Unlike Trump, he basically ignored his kids, to the point of refusing to acknowledge for some time that one of them was his. 

When narcissists begin to disappoint those whom they once dazzled, their descent can be especially precipitous. There is still truth today in the ancient proverb: Pride goeth before the fall.

In Trump’s own words from a 1981 People interview, the fundamental backdrop for his life narrative is this: “Man is the most vicious of all animals, and life is a series of battles ending in victory or defeat.” The protagonist of this story is akin to what the great 20th-century scholar and psychoanalyst Carl Jung identified in myth and folklore as the archetypal warrior. According to Jung, the warrior’s greatest gifts are courage, discipline, and skill; his central life task is to fight for what matters; his typical response to a problem is to slay it or otherwise defeat it; his greatest fear is weakness or impotence. The greatest risk for the warrior is that he incites gratuitous violence in others, and brings it upon himself.

Who, really, is Donald Trump? What’s behind the actor’s mask? I can discern little more than narcissistic motivations and a complementary personal narrative about winning at any cost. It is as if Trump has invested so much of himself in developing and refining his socially dominant role that he has nothing left over to create a meaningful story for his life, or for the nation. It is always Donald Trump playing Donald Trump, fighting to win, but never knowing why.

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I don't think Trump is a psychopath.   He's more like a spoiled brat used to getting his own way.  If you can arsed read this written by DAN P. MCADAMS a psychology professor at Northwestern University . 

There are countless ways to differentiate one person from the next, but psychologists have settled on a taxonomy, known as the Big Five:

Extroversion: gregariousness, social dominance, enthusiasm, reward-seeking behavior

Neuroticism: anxiety, emotional instability, depressive tendencies, negative emotions

Conscientiousness: industriousness, discipline, rule abidance, organization

Agreeableness: warmth, care for others, altruism, compassion, modesty

Openness: curiosity, unconventionality, imagination, receptivity to new ideas

Research decisively shows that higher scores on extroversion are associated with greater happiness and broader social connections, higher scores on conscientiousness predict greater success in school and at work, and higher scores on agreeableness are associated with deeper relationships.

By contrast, higher scores on neuroticism are always bad, having proved to be a risk factor for unhappiness, dysfunctional relationships, and mental-health problems.

From adolescence through midlife, many people tend to become more conscientious and agreeable, and less neurotic, but these changes are typically slight: The Big Five personality traits are pretty stable across a person’s lifetime.

The psychologists Steven J. Rubenzer and Thomas R. Faschingbauer, in conjunction with about 120 historians and other experts, have rated all the former U.S. presidents, going back to George Washington, on all five of the trait dimensions. George W. Bush comes out as especially high on extroversion and low on openness to experience—a highly enthusiastic and outgoing social actor who tends to be incurious and intellectually rigid. Barack Obama is relatively introverted, at least for a politician, and almost preternaturally low on neuroticism—emotionally calm and dispassionate, perhaps to a fault.

Across his lifetime, Donald Trump has exhibited a trait profile that you would not expect of a U.S. president: sky-high extroversion combined with off-the-chart low agreeableness. There is nothing especially subtle about trait attributions. We are not talking here about deep, unconscious processes or clinical diagnoses. As social actors, our performances are out there for everyone to see.Like George W. Bush and Bill Clinton (and Teddy Roosevelt, who tops the presidential extroversion list), Trump plays his role in an outgoing, exuberant, and socially dominant manner. He is a dynamo—driven, restless, unable to keep still. He gets by with very little sleep. 

A cardinal feature of high extroversion is relentless reward-seeking. Prompted by the activity of dopamine circuits in the brain, highly extroverted actors are driven to pursue positive emotional experiences, whether they come in the form of social approval, fame, or wealth. Indeed, it is the pursuit itself, more so even than the actual attainment of the goal, that extroverts find so gratifying. 

Trump loves his family, for sure. He is reported to be a generous and fair-minded boss. There is even a famous story about his meeting with a boy who was dying of cancer. A fan of The Apprentice, the young boy simply wanted Trump to tell him, “You’re fired!” Trump could not bring himself to do it, but instead wrote the boy a check for several thousand dollars and told him, “Go and have the time of your life.” But like extroversion and the other Big Five traits, agreeableness is about an overall style of relating to others and to the world, and these noteworthy exceptions run against the broad social reputation Trump has garnered as a remarkably disagreeable person, based upon a lifetime of widely observed interactions. People low in agreeableness are described as callous, rude, arrogant, and lacking in empathy. If Donald Trump does not score low on this personality dimension, then probably nobody does.

The real psychological wild card, however, is Trump’s agreeableness—or lack thereof. There has probably never been a U.S. president as consistently and overtly disagreeable on the public stage as Donald Trump is. 

 it is almost impossible to talk about Donald Trump without using the word narcissism. People with strong narcissistic needs want to love themselves, and they desperately want others to love them too—or at least admire them, see them as brilliant and powerful and beautiful, even just see them, period. The fundamental life goal is to promote the greatness of the self, for all to see. 

Whereas you might think that narcissism would be part of the job description for anybody aspiring to become the chief executive of the United States, American presidents appear to have varied widely on this psychological construct. In a 2013 Psychological Science research article, behavioural scientists ranked U.S. presidents on characteristics of what the authors called “grandiose narcissism.” Lyndon Johnson scored the highest, followed closely by Teddy Roosevelt and Andrew Jackson. Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Nixon, and Clinton were next. Millard Fillmore ranked the lowest. Correlating these ranks with objective indices of presidential performance, the researchers found that narcissism in presidents is something of a double-edged sword. On the positive side, grandiose narcissism is associated with initiating legislation, public persuasiveness, agenda setting, and historians’ ratings of “greatness.” On the negative side, it is also associated with unethical behaviour and congressional impeachment resolutions.

In business, government, sports, and many other arenas, people will put up with a great deal of self-serving and obnoxious behaviour on the part of narcissists as long as the narcissists continually perform at high levels. Steve Jobs was, in my opinion, every bit Trump’s equal when it comes to grandiose narcissism. He heaped abuse on colleagues, subordinates, and friends; cried, at age 27, when he learned that Time magazine had not chosen him to be Man of the Year; and got upset when he received a congratulatory phone call, following the iPad’s introduction in 2010, from President Obama’s chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, rather than the president himself. Unlike Trump, he basically ignored his kids, to the point of refusing to acknowledge for some time that one of them was his. 

When narcissists begin to disappoint those whom they once dazzled, their descent can be especially precipitous. There is still truth today in the ancient proverb: Pride goeth before the fall.

In Trump’s own words from a 1981 People interview, the fundamental backdrop for his life narrative is this: “Man is the most vicious of all animals, and life is a series of battles ending in victory or defeat.” The protagonist of this story is akin to what the great 20th-century scholar and psychoanalyst Carl Jung identified in myth and folklore as the archetypal warrior. According to Jung, the warrior’s greatest gifts are courage, discipline, and skill; his central life task is to fight for what matters; his typical response to a problem is to slay it or otherwise defeat it; his greatest fear is weakness or impotence. The greatest risk for the warrior is that he incites gratuitous violence in others, and brings it upon himself.

Who, really, is Donald Trump? What’s behind the actor’s mask? I can discern little more than narcissistic motivations and a complementary personal narrative about winning at any cost. It is as if Trump has invested so much of himself in developing and refining his socially dominant role that he has nothing left over to create a meaningful story for his life, or for the nation. It is always Donald Trump playing Donald Trump, fighting to win, but never knowing why.

 

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Here is another article that I have posted before, some may find it interesting Digs - this bloke has absolutely no doubt that Trump is a psychopath.

https://gen.medium.com/the-psychopath-in-chief-aa10ab2165d9

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 8th of November 2020 03:19:11 AM