ChaoticMusings

Maddog · Go Outside

Random thoughts.

John Doe · Still Here!

The truth hurts.

John Doe · Still Here!

No matter what the quality of your life if your existence has had a large/small positive and lasting effect on someone's life then yours has been worth it.

Live by the Golden Rule if you can.

-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 2nd of December 2020 02:42:10 AM

dr synne · Musing at the Chaos

If you got rid of religion something else would fill the vacuum as the blood soaked social utopian experiments of the 20th century abley proved. Whenever there's an idea/ideology or set of values there's some knob who decides this is right for me so it's going to be right for eveyone else and woe betide any who resist. Dawkins can blather on about the evils of religion but even as he does so we see the baby steps towards his marginalising of those who don't think just as he does. He also doesn't grock that underlying all this tribalism and persecution of one group by another devolves down to his own beloved evolutioniary science. Thus, want to get rid of all those bad things...get rid of humanity, if not plod on and try to get the better qualities to overcome the bad.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Random thought....
200 years ago there was approx 1 billion people in the world.
Today there is 7.8 billion, which is estimated to grow to 11 billion at the end of the century.

Before then I wonder how many more wars will be fought, oceans poluted, natural habitat for animal species ruined, and will starvation in third world countries spread further afield?

Starvation is way down in the third world.

17th Nov 2020.

"According to the speech of the UN Secretary-General published on the UN website, the level of hunger in the world increases again. As of today, 690 million people in the world suffer from a lack of food. António Guterres noted that currently, it is necessary to act decisively to prevent the problem"

I cant get th link to work.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Food bank usage in the UK Last November before Coronavirus hit.

From the Guardian. 13th November 2019.

"More people than ever are being forced to turn to food banks, after welfare problems over the last six months have led to the steepest increase in emergency food parcel handouts in five years, according to the anti-poverty campaign the Trussell Trust."

The trust, which runs two-thirds of the UK’s food banks, said it distributed a record 823,145 food parcels between April and September, including 301,653 that went to children. This was a 23% increase on the same period last year, representing the steepest rise the charity has witnessed since its network of food banks was fully established."

April 2020.

The Trussell Trust reports a soaring  89% increase in need for emergency food parcels during April 2020 compared to the same month last year, including a 107% rise in parcels given to children
The number of families with children receiving parcels has almost doubled compared to the same period last year
Food banks in the Independent Food Aid Network (IFAN) report a 175% increase in need for the same period
A coalition of charities, including Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), The Children’s Society, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF), StepChange and Turn2us, is calling for funding for local authorities in England to ensure grants are quickly distributed to help people stay afloat as part of a temporary Coronavirus Emergency Income Support Scheme"

For some reason links are not posting, all the info is on any search engine you care to use though.

-- Edited by Syl on Wednesday 2nd of December 2020 12:36:11 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Food bank usage in the UK Last November before Coronavirus hit.
From the Guardian. 13th November 2019.

"More people than ever are being forced to turn to food banks, after welfare problems over the last six months have led to the steepest increase in emergency food parcel handouts in five years, according to the anti-poverty campaign the Trussell Trust."

The trust, which runs two-thirds of the UK’s food banks, said it distributed a record 823,145 food parcels between April and September, including 301,653 that went to children. This was a 23% increase on the same period last year, representing the steepest rise the charity has witnessed since its network of food banks was fully established."

April 2020.

The Trussell Trust reports a soaring  89% increase in need for emergency food parcels during April 2020 compared to the same month last year, including a 107% rise in parcels given to children
The number of families with children receiving parcels has almost doubled compared to the same period last year
Food banks in the Independent Food Aid Network (IFAN) report a 175% increase in need for the same period
A coalition of charities, including Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), The Children’s Society, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF), StepChange and Turn2us, is calling for funding for local authorities in England to ensure grants are quickly distributed to help people stay afloat as part of a temporary Coronavirus Emergency Income Support Scheme"
For some reason links are not posting, all the info is on any search engine you care to use though.

-- Edited by Syl on Wednesday 2nd of December 2020 12:36:11 PM

Do you see a lot of skinny folks in the UK?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Food bank usage in the UK Last November before Coronavirus hit.
From the Guardian. 13th November 2019.

"More people than ever are being forced to turn to food banks, after welfare problems over the last six months have led to the steepest increase in emergency food parcel handouts in five years, according to the anti-poverty campaign the Trussell Trust."

The trust, which runs two-thirds of the UK’s food banks, said it distributed a record 823,145 food parcels between April and September, including 301,653 that went to children. This was a 23% increase on the same period last year, representing the steepest rise the charity has witnessed since its network of food banks was fully established."

April 2020.

The Trussell Trust reports a soaring  89% increase in need for emergency food parcels during April 2020 compared to the same month last year, including a 107% rise in parcels given to children
The number of families with children receiving parcels has almost doubled compared to the same period last year
Food banks in the Independent Food Aid Network (IFAN) report a 175% increase in need for the same period
A coalition of charities, including Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), The Children’s Society, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF), StepChange and Turn2us, is calling for funding for local authorities in England to ensure grants are quickly distributed to help people stay afloat as part of a temporary Coronavirus Emergency Income Support Scheme"
For some reason links are not posting, all the info is on any search engine you care to use though.

-- Edited by Syl on Wednesday 2nd of December 2020 12:36:11 PM
Do you see a lot of skinny folks in the UK?

No...lot's of obese people, especially young women. Cheap unhealthy food is often far more fattening that good nourishing food.

The facts are though that there are a record number of people using food banks. I doubt many go to them who dont need the help.

They have to be referred anyway by a Dr or social worker etc.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Food bank usage in the UK Last November before Coronavirus hit.
From the Guardian. 13th November 2019.

"More people than ever are being forced to turn to food banks, after welfare problems over the last six months have led to the steepest increase in emergency food parcel handouts in five years, according to the anti-poverty campaign the Trussell Trust."

The trust, which runs two-thirds of the UK’s food banks, said it distributed a record 823,145 food parcels between April and September, including 301,653 that went to children. This was a 23% increase on the same period last year, representing the steepest rise the charity has witnessed since its network of food banks was fully established."

April 2020.

The Trussell Trust reports a soaring  89% increase in need for emergency food parcels during April 2020 compared to the same month last year, including a 107% rise in parcels given to children
The number of families with children receiving parcels has almost doubled compared to the same period last year
Food banks in the Independent Food Aid Network (IFAN) report a 175% increase in need for the same period
A coalition of charities, including Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), The Children’s Society, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF), StepChange and Turn2us, is calling for funding for local authorities in England to ensure grants are quickly distributed to help people stay afloat as part of a temporary Coronavirus Emergency Income Support Scheme"
For some reason links are not posting, all the info is on any search engine you care to use though.

-- Edited by Syl on Wednesday 2nd of December 2020 12:36:11 PM
Do you see a lot of skinny folks in the UK?

No...lot's of obese people, especially young women. Cheap unhealthy food is often far more fattening that good nourishing food.

The facts are though that there are a record number of people using food banks. I doubt many go to them who dont need the help.
They have to be referred anyway by a Dr or social worker etc.

Apparently 39 per cent of food bank users are single men.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

That doesn't surprise me really. I know from seeing my own son when he was single and some of his mates struggle sometimes, and not everyone has family to lend a helping hand.
Young men who live independently have all the rent, household bills to pay by themselves, if they become ill or unemployed they can quickly get into debt.

Date: Dec 3 11:43 AM, 2020

Many people are not self aware. Many are unaware that their thoughts are not their own but have been taken from elsewhere. They just repeat things and imagine that by repeating those things it is their own authentic thoughts. Some of them are so beholden by those implanted thoughts that they get angry when these thoughts are questioned. They are easily manipulated into warriors. Their comments fill up with aggression and insult. Certain words certain subjects trigger them emotionally.

Date: Dec 3 12:09 PM, 2020

There are at least two types of malnourishment. One is lacking enough food that leads to starvation. Carbohydrates, fats and proteins can all be converted into energy. Starvation is when the body starts to digest itself to produce the energy to keep it alive.

The other type of malnourishment is associated with non-energy requirements of the body, proteins and nutrients. People can be obese but still be malnourished in that they are lacking certain amino acids and nutrients needed for proper function of organs, nervous tissue and the like.

Date: Dec 3 12:18 PM, 2020

Ps I have heard that pregnant women need to take on more nutrients to provide for a growing baby as well as themselves, so if their diet lacks calcium, that calcium will be taken from their bones to provide for the baby. If too much calcium is taken their bones can be weakened.

Date: Dec 3 2:46 PM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
The truth hurts.

I invite all to watch this. It is not the truth. It is just another movement, a political movement, with religious overtones. Atheism has also changed and now contains contradictions because the woke movement has been taking it over.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Food bank usage in the UK Last November before Coronavirus hit.
From the Guardian. 13th November 2019.

"More people than ever are being forced to turn to food banks, after welfare problems over the last six months have led to the steepest increase in emergency food parcel handouts in five years, according to the anti-poverty campaign the Trussell Trust."

The trust, which runs two-thirds of the UK’s food banks, said it distributed a record 823,145 food parcels between April and September, including 301,653 that went to children. This was a 23% increase on the same period last year, representing the steepest rise the charity has witnessed since its network of food banks was fully established."

April 2020.

The Trussell Trust reports a soaring  89% increase in need for emergency food parcels during April 2020 compared to the same month last year, including a 107% rise in parcels given to children
The number of families with children receiving parcels has almost doubled compared to the same period last year
Food banks in the Independent Food Aid Network (IFAN) report a 175% increase in need for the same period
A coalition of charities, including Child Poverty Action Group (CPAG), The Children’s Society, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation (JRF), StepChange and Turn2us, is calling for funding for local authorities in England to ensure grants are quickly distributed to help people stay afloat as part of a temporary Coronavirus Emergency Income Support Scheme"
For some reason links are not posting, all the info is on any search engine you care to use though.

-- Edited by Syl on Wednesday 2nd of December 2020 12:36:11 PM
Do you see a lot of skinny folks in the UK?

No...lot's of obese people, especially young women. Cheap unhealthy food is often far more fattening that good nourishing food.

The facts are though that there are a record number of people using food banks. I doubt many go to them who dont need the help.
They have to be referred anyway by a Dr or social worker etc.

I dont doubt this pandemic has caused a few temporary problems. My point is, global hunger is way down in our lifetimes, and that overall trend should continue. The planet has plenty of food. It will have more as soon as JD becomes a vegan. 😉

And, unhealthy food isn't really cheaper. It's just easier.

JP · Burning up the forum

Not everyone who purports to be really poor and unable to afford food is telling the truth. We all know some people manage to dupe the system. Some people do even manage to pull the wool over even a DRs eyes or other experts.

I believe that if you saw inside the lives of a fair number of supposedly really poor people, you will see that their children have expensive mobile phones. Not your cheap phone. They have a large TV or two in their homes. Expensive games consoles etc
I said I believe this to be the case. But in some cases it's more than a belief. I've actually seen it IRL. And on varying TV documentaries I've noted it. Feed people first, buy expensive games console at a later date in the future if you can really afford them at some point.

Many people now also don't know how to feed themselves well on the cheap anymore. If you go back a number of years many people including my Mum were doing just that.

I just don't think there's as many really poor people in this Country as is claimed by some. Never forget those people who cheat and lie their way to handouts. Or those who really don't spend any money they have wisely.

Yes you should look after the genuinely needy. But don't always believe everything you see or hear.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Our idea of poverty has changed a lot over the years.

When I was a kid it wasn't unusual to live in a house that would be considered a slum nowadays.
No hot water, no bathroom, no inside toilet, icicles on the windows (on the inside) no central heating in those days in many homes.
Very few people in the UK live in those conditions nowadays...and thank God for that.

No doubt there are parents who prefer to buy cigs, booze, games, and cheap processed crap to eat rather than feed their kids and themselves healthily, I'm sure they will be first in the queue to get a food voucher for the food banks.
But there are also people who can't manage on the wages they get (not everyone who is living in poverty is unemployed) and need the extra help...either they use the food banks or they go hungry.
And food banks were on the increase before C19, so it can't all be blamed on that either.

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
The truth hurts.
I invite all to watch this. It is not the truth. It is just another movement, a political movement, with religious overtones. Atheism has also changed and now contains contradictions because the woke movement has been taking it over.

Nah religion (and the thousands of Gods) has absolutely no facts to support it after it was invented so many millennia ago by the elite to control the fledgling civilisations.

Science moves us forward and what does religion do, what would you rather do for pray for the primitive and genocidal desert Bronze Age Abrahamic God Yahweh to stop the pandemic or look to the scientists creating the vaccines?

Tough choice.

Date: Dec 3 7:30 PM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I invite all to watch this. It is not the truth. It is just another movement, a political movement, with religious overtones. Atheism has also changed and now contains contradictions because the woke movement has been taking it over.
Nah religion (and the thousands of Gods) has absolutely no facts to support it after it was invented so many millennia ago by the elite to control the fledgling civilisations.
Science moves us forward and what does religion do, what would you rather do for pray for the primitive and genocidal desert Bronze Age Abrahamic God Yahweh to stop the pandemic or look to the scientists creating the vaccines?
Tough choice. :lol

Strawman. I was talking about the youtube video that you posted, I invited others to comment upon it and then I gave my view of the atheism it draws upon.

You are talking about your conception of religion and science, so were not engaging with what I wrote. Anyway maybe others might look at the video and comment.

By the way, in that video, there was a point where Ricky Gervais confused Richard Dawkins about his take on religion, atheism and agnosticism and the chair intervened to change the subject to crocoducks (which they had introduced earlier). Around about that part they all show themselves to be confused and contradictory. It was towards the latter end of the video.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Our idea of poverty has changed a lot over the years.

When I was a kid it wasn't unusual to live in a house that would be considered a slum nowadays.
No hot water, no bathroom, no inside toilet, icicles on the windows (on the inside) no central heating in those days in many homes.
Very few people in the UK live in those conditions nowadays...and thank God for that.

No doubt there are parents who prefer to buy cigs, booze, games, and cheap processed crap to eat rather than feed their kids and themselves healthily, I'm sure they will be first in the queue to get a food voucher for the food banks.
But there are also people who can't manage on the wages they get (not everyone who is living in poverty is unemployed) and need the extra help...either they use the food banks or they go hungry.
And food banks were on the increase before C19, so it can't all be blamed on that either.

I've suffered real hardship. That's why I often have little sympathy for those moaning today about how hard done by they are. I remember the ice on the inside of the windows. Jack Frost, my mum used to call it. It was fucking freezing! Getting dressed for school was torture. We never ate sweets or cakes outside of a Saturday night, and bread and marmite was what we'd eat if we got hungry inbetween meals. We walked everywhere and nobody was fat. I thought that was bad enough, and then I had to manage being a single mum and that really was hard. There were no handouts like now. No money, you went hungry.

-- Edited by Digger on Thursday 3rd of December 2020 07:54:44 PM