ChaoticMusings

Date: Dec 11 5:23 PM, 2020

RE: Covid19 vaccination.

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Religion can be used to promote evil as well as good, but so can everything else in life.
There are many ways to control people, organised religion is just one way....but people do have free will you know.
Not when they are very young children Syl.
Which is why if I ruled the world (lol) people would have to wait until voting age to measure the pro and cons for whatever Gods of whatever faiths that interested them and then if they chose to follow that path I would wish them well.
The major religions are not daft so they get to kids as soon as humanly possible (especially in theocracies) so the cycle endlessly repeats itself.
Look at the Madrassas - it's brainwashing pure and simple.
Try leaving Islam for another faith or stop believing altogether - even here that can often mean the possibility of being murdered by your own family.
Does this toddler look old enough to make an informed decision about anything whilst mindlessly learning every word of the Quran?
He will never stand a chance to make his own mind up.

Do you include Judaism in that JD?
Only you never mention Judaism in all your religion diatribes. How come?

If you are referring to religious Zionists then they are just as bad as all the other extremists - I don't make exceptions for anyone.

Date: Dec 11 7:51 PM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Religion can be used to promote evil as well as good, but so can everything else in life.
There are many ways to control people, organised religion is just one way....but people do have free will you know.
Not when they are very young children Syl.
Which is why if I ruled the world (lol) people would have to wait until voting age to measure the pro and cons for whatever Gods of whatever faiths that interested them and then if they chose to follow that path I would wish them well.
The major religions are not daft so they get to kids as soon as humanly possible (especially in theocracies) so the cycle endlessly repeats itself.
Look at the Madrassas - it's brainwashing pure and simple.
Try leaving Islam for another faith or stop believing altogether - even here that can often mean the possibility of being murdered by your own family.
Does this toddler look old enough to make an informed decision about anything whilst mindlessly learning every word of the Quran?
He will never stand a chance to make his own mind up.

Do you include Judaism in that JD?
Only you never mention Judaism in all your religion diatribes. How come?
If you are referring to religious Zionists then they are just as bad as all the other extremists - I don't make exceptions for anyone.

I'm referring to Jews but you don't seem to be?

No idea what you mean by "religious Zionists" as you don't need to be a Jew to be a Zionist nor even religious. Why bring Zionism in to a straight forward question about your views on religion? Is it all religions except Judaism then? It sure looks like it, which begs the question why?

Young Jews are brought up in the same way that young Muslims are, if the family is following the religion, and young Jewish boys have no say being circumcised as part of the Jewish faith. That's irreversible, unlike certain beliefs instilled from a young age. I would think that worthy of inclusion in your criticism of 'all' religions, as you often claim? Or isn't it all?

John Doe · Still Here!

You talk some rubbish you have got it into your head that Jews are exempt in my world view about most organised religions well they are not.

I suspect you are trying to twist things in some way and seem obsessed with Jews for some reason.

Not going to work and anyway who the hell are you?

It's ok to spout shit anonymously - anyone can do that.

Date: Dec 12 7:24 PM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
You talk some rubbish you have got it into your head that Jews are exempt in my world view about most organised religions well they are not.

I suspect you are trying to twist things in some way and seem obsessed with Jews for some reason.

Not going to work and anyway who the hell are you?

It's ok to spout shit anonymously - anyone can do that.

I think the guest has got a point. Nobody can say anything about Jews these days. It’s dodgy territory. :no:

Date: Dec 12 10:21 PM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
You talk some rubbish you have got it into your head that Jews are exempt in my world view about most organised religions well they are not.

I suspect you are trying to twist things in some way and seem obsessed with Jews for some reason.

Not going to work and anyway who the hell are you?

It's ok to spout shit anonymously - anyone can do that.

That's quite a rant for a response to a question! Having seen your vitriol towards religion it always seems to be images or examples of the Muslim faith. You throw in Hinduism as well and Catholicism gets a mention when prompted but never Judaism. Your comment for the Muslim image was:

Does this toddler look old enough to make an informed decision about anything whilst mindlessly learning every word of the Quran?

He will never stand a chance to make his own mind up.

I've never seen you picture a Jewish baby boy and claim that circumcising him means he could never make an informed choice or images of them being tutored by rabbis and so on. Why?

It's only ever images of Muslims you post. It appears that your 'all religions' is somewhat selective in reality. Maybe you should be more even handed in future posts about all religions.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I have seen JD have a pop at Christianity quite a few times.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
You talk some rubbish you have got it into your head that Jews are exempt in my world view about most organised religions well they are not.

I suspect you are trying to twist things in some way and seem obsessed with Jews for some reason.

Not going to work and anyway who the hell are you?

It's ok to spout shit anonymously - anyone can do that.

That's quite a rant for a response to a question! Having seen your vitriol towards religion it always seems to be images or examples of the Muslim faith. You throw in Hinduism as well and Catholicism gets a mention when prompted but never Judaism. Your comment for the Muslim image was:
Does this toddler look old enough to make an informed decision about anything whilst mindlessly learning every word of the Quran?
He will never stand a chance to make his own mind up.
I've never seen you picture a Jewish baby boy and claim that circumcising him means he could never make an informed choice or images of them being tutored by rabbis and so on. Why?
It's only ever images of Muslims you post. It appears that your 'all religions' is somewhat selective in reality. Maybe you should be more even handed in future posts about all religions.

I'm sure JD will oblige if you ask him to post more anti Jewish pix... just to even things up for you.

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
You talk some rubbish you have got it into your head that Jews are exempt in my world view about most organised religions well they are not.

I suspect you are trying to twist things in some way and seem obsessed with Jews for some reason.

Not going to work and anyway who the hell are you?

It's ok to spout shit anonymously - anyone can do that.

That's quite a rant for a response to a question! Having seen your vitriol towards religion it always seems to be images or examples of the Muslim faith. You throw in Hinduism as well and Catholicism gets a mention when prompted but never Judaism. Your comment for the Muslim image was:
Does this toddler look old enough to make an informed decision about anything whilst mindlessly learning every word of the Quran?
He will never stand a chance to make his own mind up.
I've never seen you picture a Jewish baby boy and claim that circumcising him means he could never make an informed choice or images of them being tutored by rabbis and so on. Why?
It's only ever images of Muslims you post. It appears that your 'all religions' is somewhat selective in reality. Maybe you should be more even handed in future posts about all religions.

Circumcision is utterly abhorrent.

Genitally mutilating a baby because of some ignorant beliefs of some Bronze Age desert goat herders has no place in the 21 century, Muslims and Wahhabism may appear more in my posts atm because extremists of that faith are currently waging a war on Western Civilisation by committing atrocity after atrocity.

Oh and here at least some of them seem to operate by different laws to the rest of us (Sharia for a start).

I do admire a few religions, Buddhism (especially those forms that don't believe in reincarnation) and Jainism for example.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 13th of December 2020 12:22:25 AM

Date: Dec 13 8:27 AM, 2020

Stop repeating western propaganda. You sound like writer for the mail or Express.

The terrorism you speak of has as much to do with the Muslim faith as the IDF shooting innocent men, women and children, along with reporters and medics in Palestine has to do with Judaism.

Terrorism is funded by the West, especially the UK and US, for their regime change wars. Millions dead, injured and maimed by the west because their countries didn't bow down and sell out to western corporates and banking. Arab and other mercenaries paid, trained and armed by the west to start riots and uprisings leading to excuses for the west to 'finish the job'.

The Middle East and Africa, not to mention South America and parts of Asia and Eastern Europe are plagued with terrorism, instigated and paid for by the West/NATO. They failed in Syria and guess where a lot of these mercenaries escaped to? Europe via Turkey and through Libya, another country bombed to rubble by the West.

How often are terrorists who commit heinous crimes here, and elsewhere in Europe, are 'known to the security services'? Of course they're known to them, they know they used them overseas in their regime change wars. Remember Cameron's 'moderate terrorists'? Same bunch. I could give links but there is plenty about them and the funding online. Try white helmets funding. Try ARK and OP. HMG Trojan Horse. Part 2: Infiltrating Lebanon I and OP. HMG Trojan Horse. Part 2: Infiltrating Lebanon II.

Yes, they are from the UK Foreign and Commonwealth office. There's much more out there, official documents and well researched investigations in to the lawless and reckless behaviour, not to mention brutality of the West. Making it all about a religion masks the true nature of what goes on and keeps the masses frightened. Frightened enough to agree to any government policy, no matter how invasive, draconian or even how brutal. There always has to be an enemy to justify the behaviour of the establishment. Colonialism never went away, it's just masked from public view.

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger · Admin

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Lol.....I am surprised people are not already saying this new strain of the virus that is 70% more virulent than the previous ones is not a cover up for Boris to backtrack on his 5 day Christmas amnesty without losing too much face.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Lol.....I am surprised people are not already saying this new strain of the virus that is 70% more virulent than the previous ones is not a cover up for Boris to backtrack on his 5 day Christmas amnesty without losing too much face.

He knew about this a week before, but still said nothing when he did his speech in the week.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Lol.....I am surprised people are not already saying this new strain of the virus that is 70% more virulent than the previous ones is not a cover up for Boris to backtrack on his 5 day Christmas amnesty without losing too much face.
He knew about this a week before, but still said nothing when he did his speech in the week.

I think the biggest mistake this government has made so far re this virus was to rashly declare that people could mix for 5 days over Christmas. Times are too unsteady, and obviously no one knows where this virus is going to spike next.

This new variant is now out of control in parts of Wales and the SW of England, and obviously it will spread throughout the country in the next weeks.

One local hospital here is now 98% full....and this will be happening elsewhere.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Lol.....I am surprised people are not already saying this new strain of the virus that is 70% more virulent than the previous ones is not a cover up for Boris to backtrack on his 5 day Christmas amnesty without losing too much face.

It could be sone sort of cover. We have increasing cases and I haven't heard anyone say it was because of a new strain. I haven't heard of this new strain being responsible anywhere on the planet, except in the UK.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

If it was a cover up for the Christmas Gaffe...and I am not saying it was, just being a bit cynical here, but it has backfired, as Countries are now queueing up to forbid any flights in from the UK.

The UK once again has the leper bell ringer as its mascot.

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
Lol.....I am surprised people are not already saying this new strain of the virus that is 70% more virulent than the previous ones is not a cover up for Boris to backtrack on his 5 day Christmas amnesty without losing too much face.

Well WHO were notified. And independent studies are now saying that figure is likely to be correct. You can't just come out with these things. Other major Countries will get to look at and study your findings themselves. Unless everyone is in on it of course.

The Government cannot win. This Country is not the only place where the leaders and authorities cannot win regarding covid mind you. It's quite a common theme. Protests etc etc

-- Edited by JP on Tuesday 22nd of December 2020 12:04:14 AM

-- Edited by JP on Tuesday 22nd of December 2020 12:04:36 AM

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
If it was a cover up for the Christmas Gaffe...and I am not saying it was, just being a bit cynical here, but it has backfired, as Countries are now queueing up to forbid any flights in from the UK.

The UK once again has the leper bell ringer as its mascot.

Clearly all that is more about Brexit than covid. Especially... regarding what France has been up too. Last ditch attempts to prove some kind of point. In the hope of getting an extension to the transition period.

It's the EU trying to browbeat the UK down. Hoping we are on our knees and sign up to a deal that suits them better than us.