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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

RE: Covid19 vaccination.

Date: Nov 26 4:47 AM, 2020

Anonymous wrote:
Hi all !!! “Dog” here from the Dogs thread on the vaccination !!!
although I work in an NHS hospital no I wont be volunteering for the vaccine as it’s not been proven safe.

hobbit is trying to bully me over that opinion but I stand by it. Until I know it’s safe, which can take years, there’s no way.
Dog

Does your work in the medical field mean you have access to information about the vaccine that isn't generally available? If you know something that indicates it is unsafe you should share it so people can be better informed.

Date: Nov 26 6:27 AM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
The vaccines can't come soon enough as it was carnage yesterday with almost 12,000 people losing there lives worldwide in 24 hours - 608 here and 2,194 in the US.
Anyone who believes it is some sort of 'conspiracy' or 'hoax' is off their trolley.

-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 25th of November 2020 09:14:43 AM
Carnage? get some perspective
Covid is way way down the list of deaths per day. How many of those 12.00 actually died from covid rather than just tested positive but didn't have any symptoms?
Cardiovascular diseases 48.000 a day
Cancers 25.000 a day.
25.000 a day die from hunger
22.00 a day from poverty

So it's not a concern to you then?
Interesting.
May I ask if you are going to take any of the vaccines?

-- Edited by John Doe on Wednesday 25th of November 2020 11:56:07 AM

Where did I say it's of no concern?

get some perspective is what I said and what I meant.

I want to know the true figures I want to know how many of the people dying would have died at the same time had covid not been around

I want real statistics not manipulated ones. too many are making life decisions for themselves and for others on manipulated statistics

Do you remember these from march/April/May time?

https://www.facebook.com/beth.cheriseee/media_set?set=a.10222005538865950&type=3

Date: Nov 26 6:40 AM, 2020

Drs are saying the CDC needs to be transparent about the possible side effects from the vaccines as these will not be a walk in the park.

some of the vaccines require two shots and they worry if people are not fully informed of the effects they might not come back for the 2nd dose

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/23/covid-vaccine-cdc-should-warn-people-the-side-effects-from-shots-wont-be-walk-in-the-park-.html

Date: Nov 26 7:52 AM, 2020

The latest numbers from the CDC reveal hospitals have been counting patients who died from serious preexisting conditions as COVID-19 deaths. the CDC counts over 51-thousand patients who actually died from heart attacks, as opposed to the coronavirus.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Anonymous wrote:
The latest numbers from the CDC reveal hospitals have been counting patients who died from serious preexisting conditions as COVID-19 deaths. the CDC counts over 51-thousand patients who actually died from heart attacks, as opposed to the coronavirus.

It would be interesting to compare the official number of disease related deaths in the US this year, compared to the number of similar deaths in previous years.

Magica · Go Outside

Anonymous wrote:
The latest numbers from the CDC reveal hospitals have been counting patients who died from serious preexisting conditions as COVID-19 deaths. the CDC counts over 51-thousand patients who actually died from heart attacks, as opposed to the coronavirus.

I've said this all along. No one dies of anything else anymore, just covid. They probably catch it when in hospital with a serious illness, but covid is not the over all reason they died.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maybe not, but would they have died without catching covid?

Someone may be old and they may have other illnesses, but people live for years getting older and taking meds for existing illnesses, so if they catch the virus and then die, imo the virus has killed them.
Incidentally, conditions like diabetes type 1 and 2 are classed as 'underlying conditions'....yet people live for decades controlling it.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maybe not, but would they have died without catching covid?

Someone may be old and they may have other illnesses, but people live for years getting older and taking meds for existing illnesses, so if they catch the virus and then die, imo the virus has killed them.
Incidentally, conditions like diabetes type 1 and 2 are classed as 'underlying conditions'....yet people live for decades controlling it.

Most catch it in hospital when they are in for something else though. I feel sorry for the old who are scared, bless them.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Well I know of two brothers, both with underlying health issues, both went in hospital for treatments, both caught the virus in hospital and sadly both died.

They would no doubt have lived for years if they hadn't caught the virus, so what did they die of?

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Well I know of two brothers, both with underlying health issues, both went in hospital for treatments, both caught the virus in hospital and sadly both died.

They would no doubt have lived for years if they hadn't caught the virus, so what did they die of?

A worldwide conspiracy apparently.

Of course it's all lies and COVID does not exist - the Illuminati have planted nano-bots in the vaccines which will target our brains and remove all free will and make us slaves.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Well I know of two brothers, both with underlying health issues, both went in hospital for treatments, both caught the virus in hospital and sadly both died.

They would no doubt have lived for years if they hadn't caught the virus, so what did they die of?

That's what I'm saying, they caught covid in hospital. Same as years ago many caught MRSA in hospital, some died.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well I know of two brothers, both with underlying health issues, both went in hospital for treatments, both caught the virus in hospital and sadly both died.

They would no doubt have lived for years if they hadn't caught the virus, so what did they die of?
That's what I'm saying, they caught covid in hospital. Same as years ago many caught MRSA in hospital, some died.

We are agreeing with each other then.

Date: Nov 26 6:08 PM, 2020

Syl wrote:
Well I know of two brothers, both with underlying health issues, both went in hospital for treatments, both caught the virus in hospital and sadly both died.

They would no doubt have lived for years if they hadn't caught the virus, so what did they die of?

My posts were about those who had no symptoms of covid and yet had covid on the death certificates. Those two brothers actually died due to covid, so their deaths would be a true account of a covid death.

Magica · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well I know of two brothers, both with underlying health issues, both went in hospital for treatments, both caught the virus in hospital and sadly both died.

They would no doubt have lived for years if they hadn't caught the virus, so what did they die of?
That's what I'm saying, they caught covid in hospital. Same as years ago many caught MRSA in hospital, some died.
We are agreeing with each other then.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Magica wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well I know of two brothers, both with underlying health issues, both went in hospital for treatments, both caught the virus in hospital and sadly both died.

They would no doubt have lived for years if they hadn't caught the virus, so what did they die of?
That's what I'm saying, they caught covid in hospital. Same as years ago many caught MRSA in hospital, some died.
We are agreeing with each other then.

Don't agree with each other - it's boring!

Magica · Go Outside

Ok JD, boxing gloves are on

Not really

John Doe · Still Here!

Magica wrote:
Ok JD, boxing gloves are on

Not really

Date: Nov 26 10:28 PM, 2020

Syl wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Hi all !!! “Dog” here from the Dogs thread on the vaccination !!!
although I work in an NHS hospital no I wont be volunteering for the vaccine as it’s not been proven safe.

hobbit is trying to bully me over that opinion but I stand by it. Until I know it’s safe, which can take years, there’s no way.
Dog
Hi there, you are entitled to your opinion, and you are certainly not on your own.
It will be years before any long term effects are known, maybe moreso with this vaccine than with others because obviously time has been of the essence in developing it.

I will gladly have my jab as soon as I am offered.

That wasn't dog. It's the same saddo who did the poor impersonation of drum.

The d is the tell.

JP · Burning up the forum

Syl wrote:
Maybe not, but would they have died without catching covid?

Someone may be old and they may have other illnesses, but people live for years getting older and taking meds for existing illnesses, so if they catch the virus and then die, imo the virus has killed them.
Incidentally, conditions like diabetes type 1 and 2 are classed as 'underlying conditions'....yet people live for decades controlling it.

Being covid positive has unfortunately probably taken some people a bit earlier. I think there's no doubt about that. It just adds yet even more fuel to the fire another problem on top of the issue/issues that a person was already trying to fight and survive for longer with.

No one can say for sure if someone with certain issues would have lived a little longer, or much longer. If they hadn't contracted covid. There will be people whom would have probably died shortly though regardless. That's obviously sad but obviously in some cases it will be the case. No matter what though whatever the circumstances may be once someone has tested covid positive they'll end up being included in the official covid deaths total.

It could depend on how far they already are in the "live for years" process. Like I said above these things are one of those things that no one can know for sure.

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 26th of November 2020 11:41:09 PM

-- Edited by JP on Thursday 26th of November 2020 11:42:26 PM