ChaoticMusings

Date: Nov 30 6:29 PM, 2020

RE: Covid19 vaccination.

JP · Burning up the forum

The question is how long does the head of the WHO guy expect those things to be the case. Indefinitely?

Even with vaccine people will still unfortunately die of/with covid. Like basically any other virus in history bar about 1 your chances of eradicating covid19 are less likely than a jackpot lottery win. Sooner or later once vaccines are here and possibly more therapeutics we are gonna just have to get on as normal. And live as normal knowing covid19 isn't eradicated into oblivion.

-- Edited by JP on Monday 30th of November 2020 07:22:58 PM

-- Edited by JP on Monday 30th of November 2020 07:24:25 PM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

We all live with the influenza virus. Every year millions of us have a vaccine to try and avoid it and it's various mutations.
It's part of life, as will Covid19 be.
The unfortunate will sadly die of it every year, just as the unfortunate die with the flu.
But once the vaccine is up and running, coupled with the immunity millions will now have, it will be a lot more controlled.

The good news is so far the coronavirus mutations can also be treated with the vaccines that have been found to work well.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
We all live with the influenza virus. Every year millions of us have a vaccine to try and avoid it and it's various mutations.
It's part of life, as will Covid19 be.
The unfortunate will sadly die of it every year, just as the unfortunate die with the flu.
But once the vaccine is up and running, coupled with the immunity millions will now have, it will be a lot more controlled.

The good news is so far the coronavirus mutations can also be treated with the vaccines that have been found to work well.

The bad news is that more zoonotic viruses are on the way, it's inevitable as eco-systems collapse and we continue to destroy what's left of the natural world at an ever increasing pace.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Interesting...

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
We all live with the influenza virus. Every year millions of us have a vaccine to try and avoid it and it's various mutations.
It's part of life, as will Covid19 be.
The unfortunate will sadly die of it every year, just as the unfortunate die with the flu.
But once the vaccine is up and running, coupled with the immunity millions will now have, it will be a lot more controlled.

The good news is so far the coronavirus mutations can also be treated with the vaccines that have been found to work well.
The bad news is that more zoonotic viruses are on the way, it's inevitable as eco-systems collapse and we continue to destroy what's left of the natural world at an ever increasing pace.

That's why you need to become a vegan. 😜

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Interesting...

Its not like wearing a seat belt.

I got to that part and wanted to punch that fool in the nose.

100% compliance is not needed for herd immunity. If the vaccine works, there will be enough people that get it to get this under control.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I didn't get the seatbelt analogy either. it's always good to hear varying opinions though.

Re the mandatory wearing of seatbelts, amazingly it was the biggest pervert this country has ever known that used to publicise the need to wear seatbelts on TV back in the 80's.
Clunk click every trip.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
We all live with the influenza virus. Every year millions of us have a vaccine to try and avoid it and it's various mutations.
It's part of life, as will Covid19 be.
The unfortunate will sadly die of it every year, just as the unfortunate die with the flu.
But once the vaccine is up and running, coupled with the immunity millions will now have, it will be a lot more controlled.

The good news is so far the coronavirus mutations can also be treated with the vaccines that have been found to work well.
The bad news is that more zoonotic viruses are on the way, it's inevitable as eco-systems collapse and we continue to destroy what's left of the natural world at an ever increasing pace.
That's why you need to become a vegan. 😜

Sadly (as hypocritical as it is) I am far too much of a carnivore!

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

With a virus like this, would it matter if you were vegan or not though?
You can be infected many ways, not just by killing the animals and eating them.

Maybe if we stopped encroaching on the remote areas where animals/birds/bats have always inhabited, forcing them to come closer inland to the human race, we would be safer.
Bats who were once living in remote caves were thought to be the cause of this present pandemic.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
With a virus like this, would it matter if you were vegan or not though?
You can be infected many ways, not just by killing the animals and eating them.

Maybe if we stopped encroaching on the remote areas where animals/birds/bats have always inhabited, forcing them to come closer inland to the human race, we would be safer.
Bats who were once living in remote caves were thought to be the cause of this present pandemic.

Much of our undeveloped areas are being converted to ranch land.

At least that's the story behind habitat loss and climate change.

Maddog · Go Outside

Industrial livestock agriculture—raising cows, pigs and chickens—generates as much greenhouse gas emissions as all cars, trucks and automobiles combined.

www.greenpeace.org/usa/sustainable-agriculture/issues/meat/~:text=Industrial%20livestock%20agriculture%E2%80%94raising%20cows,cars%2C%20trucks%20and%20automobiles%20combined.&text=Cattle%20ranchers%20have%20clear%20cut,absorb%20carbon%20from%20the%20atmosphere.

For what it's worth.

JP · Burning up the forum

Not EVERY death is a tragedy': Tory MP Sir Charles Walker warns that 'you can't compare the death of a baby or teenager with a 90-year-old' as he rages against Boris Johnson's coronavirus restrictions

A tragedy is when a child dies' and when politicians use the same word to describe the death of an elderly person they 'diminish that life so well lived'.
The backbencher urged ministers to 'change the narrative when we talk about death because not all deaths are equal' and 'to compare the death of someone of 90 with the death of someone of 19 is not right'.

This covid situation is certainly creating arguably bigger divisions than Brexit. Never thought I'd see the day. :D

As for what he said I could argue that there is some merit in what he's trying to put across. I know what he's trying to say. On the other hand my Nan is 94 and what he's saying is difficult to agree with. I know my Mum will give it both barrels at the TV if she's heard that on the News today.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Obviously, logically the death of someone at the start of their life is a bigger loss to society than someone who dies at a good age, that doesn't make the death any easier for loved ones ones though.

It's a bit crass to say when someone has died of the virus. "Not every death is a tragedy", would he say that if it was his own parent I wonder.

Magica · Go Outside

Logically a young baby or child's life is more tragic than a 90 year old. They've had no life, but a 90 year old has lived a full life. I know most want nan's or parents to.live forever but realistically that's not going to happen. Losing a child is so much harder to bare.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Magica wrote:
Logically a young baby or child's life is more tragic than a 90 year old. They've had no life, but a 90 year old has lived a full life. I know most want nan's or parents to.live forever but realistically that's not going to happen. Losing a child is so much harder to bare.

Yes it is, it goes against the circle of life.

But this man said "Not every death is a tragedy" ...maybe tragedy is the wrong word to use when referring to the age a person dies.

Digger · Admin

Do all the anti vaxxers forget?

1/ A ward of polio victims, incarcerated inside "iron lungs" in 1950s America. Many are children, their lungs paralysed, unable to breathe unaided. Thanks to vaccination, no-one has caught polio in the UK since the 1980s.

Digger · Admin

Magica wrote:
Logically a young baby or child's life is more tragic than a 90 year old. They've had no life, but a 90 year old has lived a full life. I know most want nan's or parents to.live forever but realistically that's not going to happen. Losing a child is so much harder to bare.

The pain is no less, though.

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:

Do all the anti vaxxers forget?
1/ A ward of polio victims, incarcerated inside "iron lungs" in 1950s America. Many are children, their lungs paralysed, unable to breathe unaided. Thanks to vaccination, no-one has caught polio in the UK since the 1980s.

Yes they do - just as they forget Smallpox and all the rest of terrible diseases vaccines prevent people from contracting.

Vaccination saves millions of lives globally every year - conspiracy theorists don't.

Magica · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Magica wrote:
Logically a young baby or child's life is more tragic than a 90 year old. They've had no life, but a 90 year old has lived a full life. I know most want nan's or parents to.live forever but realistically that's not going to happen. Losing a child is so much harder to bare.
The pain is no less, though.

I disagree. It's painful losing an old person but to lose a child is much more painful imo.Lots

Anyway it's not a competition.