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John Doe wrote:

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Almost 3,300 deaths in one day for the US, I just wonder what an anti-vaxxer would take until they considered science instead of ludicrous conspiracy theories by morons? 

Likewise Trump losing as most of his supporters are of the above.

Mind you his major base is composed of Evangelical Christians who truly believe some old Jewish bloke (with no contemporary historical evidence whatsoever of his existence) walked on water and rose from the dead 2000 years ago - I despair at this world sometimes.  

Give me the Sun God The Aten any day - the  obvious monotheistic origin for all the Abrahamic religions but at least our star truly is the beginning of/and sustains all life.

Akhenaton certainly had a lot to do with 'Yahweh', 'Moses' and 'Yeshua'.

Saul of Tarsus was suffering from Temporal Lobe Epilepsy with his ludicrous delusions and it's hard to believe billions have lived and died under his rules since then - even now in the 21st century.

Rant over.

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 When you start taking care of your own health then you can preach to others.  I'm amazed how many who are shit scared of this virus are people who do nothing but shovel crap food and drink down their throats.     I expect you would love others to be forced to have vaccines.   

 

I have family like you,  always going on about anti-vaxxers anti-health and science  and there they are on the sofa all day eating crap, drinking red ball ( they don't drink booze) and eyes glued to games, films or anything else that stops them from living and they preach to me  

 

for every Dr and scientist that is given airtime, there are another 50 who are shut down because they are not bought and paid for. 

 

 

CUT OUT ALL THE PERSONAL STUFF.

-- Edited by Syl on Thursday 10th of December 2020 11:27:40 AM

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Wow you really are bitter - no wonder you flounced like a toddler throwing their toys out of the pram when they could not get their own way.

Are you going to take any of the vaccines that science has worked so hard to create for you?

Or are you going to worship at the feet of Wakefield and Ike's ludicrous conspiracy theories and like millions in the US continue to put us all in danger?

https://www.ft.com/content/f84746af-9a7f-4cc8-a3b5-434d4c08556e

Maddog wrote:

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Just for a little backdrop, Fauci is a practicing catholic.

Carry on.

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I know MD - it would be highly surprising if he did not have some faith - being an atheist or secular humanist in America is like being a witch or Satan worshipper especially in the South.

I don't expect the above will ever be elected as POTUS in my lifetime if ever, only one self-identified atheist in the US Congress has ever existed, the late Californian Democrat Peter Stark.

The difference between the US and the rest of the Western democracies is like night and day in this regard.

Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Just for a little backdrop, Fauci is a practicing catholic.

Carry on.

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I know MD - it would be highly surprising if he did not have some faith - being an atheist or secular humanist in America is like being a witch or Satan worshipper especially in the South.

I don't expect the above will ever be elected as POTUS in my lifetime if ever, only one self-identified atheist in the US Congress has ever existed, the late Californian Democrat Peter Stark.

The difference between the US and the rest of the Western democracies is like night and day in this regard.

-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 10th of December 2020 06:40:10 PM

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 I live in Texas. I know plenty of atheists and agnostics. 

 

Do you think people of faith are not as smart as you? 

 

Not qualified?

 

For the record, I'm agnostic, but like most things, I'm not overly concerned with private beliefs of others, until they use them to be judgmental.   

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I just lack the religious gene and cannot understand how people can still believe in anthropomorphic ancient Gods in the 21st century.

I don't care what people feels helps them through as long as they don't shove it down my throat but I am no fan of the corrupt Institutions that runs the religions - The Vatican for a start, and yes I was christened as a Catholic.

Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Just for a little backdrop, Fauci is a practicing catholic.

Carry on.

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I know MD - it would be highly surprising if he did not have some faith - being an atheist or secular humanist in America is like being a witch or Satan worshipper especially in the South.

I don't expect the above will ever be elected as POTUS in my lifetime if ever, only one self-identified atheist in the US Congress has ever existed, the late Californian Democrat Peter Stark.

The difference between the US and the rest of the Western democracies is like night and day in this regard.

-- Edited by John Doe on Thursday 10th of December 2020 06:40:10 PM

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 I live in Texas. I know plenty of atheists and agnostics. 

 

Do you think people of faith are not as smart as you? 

 

Not qualified?

 

For the record, I'm agnostic, but like most things, I'm not overly concerned with private beliefs of others, until they use them to be judgmental.   

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I just lack the religious gene and cannot understand how people can still believe in anthropomorphic ancient Gods in the 21st century.

I don't care what people feels helps them through as long as they don't shove it down my throat but I am no fan of the corrupt Institutions that runs the religions - The Vatican for a start, and yes I was christened as a Catholic.

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 I think you do care what people think, regardless of how it effects you. I don't think anyone has ever tried to shove it down your throat on here, yet it's a constant topic for your posts. 

 

Personally, I don't think there is that much difference between religion and government. Both are often corrupt and or deadly, yet people often look towards the entities when they are needing some sort of help.    

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 I just wrote a very long and detailed reply and the laptop conked out for a second - bloody hell that's annoying! 

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Write it out again then.

 

Seriously, it would be interesting to hear your reply.

I agree with Maddog, I have never seen anyone try to push religion down anyones neck on here, yet you do quite often let rip about how evil it all is without any provocation.

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Well that's a lapsed Catholic for you!

They try and instill as much fear and guilt about your very existence as possible (or at least they did).

If anyone else told very young children they would burn in Hell for their sins or for example as one of my Primary school teachers (dear old Mrs Fugel) told me that I was asking God to blind me for saying 'blimey' they would be up for child abuse.

But under the guise of religion it was totally ignored - look at Ireland and the Magdalene Laundries - if that was not evil I don't know what is not to mention all the thousands of Father O' Fiddlers throughout the world protected by the Vatican.

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I know there has been many atrocities, especially on children all done in the name of religion....and it sounds like your Mrs Fugal was very robust in her interpretations of the scriptures, 

Everyone had teachers that tried anything to scare kids into toeing the line, usually, by the time we leave school their words dont affect us.

The fact is though, many millions of people who believe in a God are not evil....quite the opposite, and if they derive comfort from it, and try to be a better person because of it, that shouldn't bother any unbeliever.

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No people are not evil but organised religion by it's very nature does encourage division and I don't need the threat of a lonely psychopath in the sky to try and be a good person.

But some it seems still do.

As for the super rich televangelist charlatans in the Mega-Churches in the US words fail me - despite the endless corruption and scandals so many evangelicals still hang on to their every word and would donate their last cent if asked.

I saw a woman on the news who said she could never catch COVID because she was bathed in the 'Blood of Christ' and many agreed with her, I just cannot forgive such ignorance.

The less said about Wahhabism or the Caste System in Hinduism the better and people are still being burned as witches in Africa.

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Religion can be used to promote evil as well as good, but so can everything else in life.
There are many ways to control people, organised religion is just one way....but people do have free will you know.

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 Exactly.  And religion is largely voluntary. 

What choice did starving Ukrainians have when the Soviet Union was starving millions of them to death? 

John Doe wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Religion can be used to promote evil as well as good, but so can everything else in life.
There are many ways to control people, organised religion is just one way....but people do have free will you know.

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Not when they are very young children Syl.

Which is why if I ruled the world (lol) people would have to wait until voting age to measure the pro and cons for whatever Gods of whatever faiths that interested them and then if they chose to follow that path I would wish them well. 

The major religions are not daft so they get to kids as soon as humanly possible (especially in theocracies) so the cycle endlessly repeats itself. 

Look at the Madrassas - it's brainwashing pure and simple.

Try leaving Islam for another faith or stop believing altogether - even here that can often mean the possibility of being murdered by your own family.

Does this toddler look old enough to make an informed decision about anything whilst mindlessly learning every word of the Quran?

He will never stand a chance to make his own mind up.

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John Doe wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Religion can be used to promote evil as well as good, but so can everything else in life.
There are many ways to control people, organised religion is just one way....but people do have free will you know.

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Not when they are very young children Syl.

Which is why if I ruled the world (lol) people would have to wait until voting age to measure the pro and cons for whatever Gods of whatever faiths that interested them and then if they chose to follow that path I would wish them well. 

The major religions are not daft so they get to kids as soon as humanly possible (especially in theocracies) so the cycle endlessly repeats itself. 

Look at the Madrassas - it's brainwashing pure and simple.

Try leaving Islam for another faith or stop believing altogether - even here that can often mean the possibility of being murdered by your own family.

Does this toddler look old enough to make an informed decision about anything whilst mindlessly learning every word of the Quran?

He will never stand a chance to make his own mind up.

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 I take your point that sometimes religious (and  political) brain-washing is done so thoroughly when children are young it stays with them for life, and obviously that's wrong, no clear thinking person could ever disagree with that....and no one is.

But on the other hand organised religion doesn't have to brainwash people. Kids can be brought up in a religious household, as many of my generation were. Some were forced to go to Sunday school from a very young age, then church, belong to the choir and the church youth clubs (I did all that) and sometimes, even with heathens like me, religion can still bring comfort, take funerals for eg.

I do think you are prone to sneering at all people who believe in a God, if it's their own choice, what harm does it do to you?