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Pentagon UFO task force shows 'silver cube' hovering over the Atlantic at 35,000ft

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The photo was previously described as depicting an 'unidentified silver 'cube-shaped' object' hovering over the ocean at an altitude of roughly 30,000 to 35,000.

It appears that the image was captured by the backseat weapons systems operator of what appears to be an F/A-18 fighter jet.

Experts were baffled by the photo, but noted that the object somewhat resembles a GPS dropsonde, an atmospheric profiling device designed to be dropped from aircraft, typically over a hurricane.

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The object is shaped similar to the parachute on a dropsonde (above) -- but the atmospheric devices plunge quickly toward earth, and no GPS transponder is seen dangling below the object

However, the object in the photo does not have the GPS transponder dangling from it as a dropsonde does -- and dropsondes plunge toward the Earth at 10 to 12 meters per second, rather than hover in the air.

It is possible that the object is some other kind of weather balloon -- but the Pentagon task force found it baffling enough to include in their report.

The 2018 report is said to have provided a general overview of the UAP topic and included details of previous military encounters, as well as a frank admission that the origin of many UAP could not be determined.

As well as offering a list of other, more prosaic explanations, the report expressly stated there was a legitimate possibility that UAP represented 'alien' or 'non-human' technology.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Date: Dec 4 1:55 PM, 2020

They need to release all the data for us to attempt to make sense of it. Distorted single images doesn't cut it. I am sure they have more data on this through their tracking radar and visual systems.

Has anyone here seen something that they couldn't identify or explain and so classify it as a ufo or uap (aerial phenomenon)? There are many things that can be confused for ufos such as weather balloons, chinese lanterns, satellites, aeroplanes when viewed from the ground under various atmospheric conditions.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
They need to release all the data for us to attempt to make sense of it. Distorted single images doesn't cut it. I am sure they have more data on this through their tracking radar and visual systems.
Has anyone here seen something that they couldn't identify or explain and so classify it as a ufo or uap (aerial phenomenon)? There are many things that can be confused for ufos such as weather balloons, chinese lanterns, satellites, aeroplanes when viewed from the ground under various atmospheric conditions.

I should think most people have seen odd things in the sky. I was sitting out one warm summer night around 2am and what looked like two satellites passed overhead. Only they were moving too fast to be satellites and they were running parallel with each other, then suddenly went off in different directions at a 45 degree angle at massive speed. They were too organised to be meteorites. God knows what they were.

Date: Dec 4 3:53 PM, 2020

Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They need to release all the data for us to attempt to make sense of it. Distorted single images doesn't cut it. I am sure they have more data on this through their tracking radar and visual systems.
Has anyone here seen something that they couldn't identify or explain and so classify it as a ufo or uap (aerial phenomenon)? There are many things that can be confused for ufos such as weather balloons, chinese lanterns, satellites, aeroplanes when viewed from the ground under various atmospheric conditions.
I should think most people have seen odd things in the sky. I was sitting out one warm summer night around 2am and what looked like two satellites passed overhead. Only they were moving too fast to be satellites and they were running parallel with each other, then suddenly went off in different directions at a 45 degree angle at massive speed. They were too organised to be meteorites. God knows what they were.

You have just given me goosebumps. I have seen many many different aerial phenomenon and I could explain all of them except one which was beyond the ordinary and sort of ridiculous. Summer night early in the morning. I had been out most of the night counting meteors during the Perseid meteor "shower" annual event and had returned home and decided to look out the window to see if i could spot any more. What I saw was something similar to what you saw but more dramatic and more unexpected. I thought that maybe one day I would include it in a short story and have never really spoken about it although I wrote it down. I have experience of science and I know science requires reproducibility, all I had here was a single observation.

That you saw these two things means they were producing light, either reflected light from the Sun behind the Earth, or they were producing their own light. That you thought they were satellites makes me think you saw two white lights? When they went off in different directions did they move in straight lines or was it sort of curved?

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They need to release all the data for us to attempt to make sense of it. Distorted single images doesn't cut it. I am sure they have more data on this through their tracking radar and visual systems.
Has anyone here seen something that they couldn't identify or explain and so classify it as a ufo or uap (aerial phenomenon)? There are many things that can be confused for ufos such as weather balloons, chinese lanterns, satellites, aeroplanes when viewed from the ground under various atmospheric conditions.
I should think most people have seen odd things in the sky. I was sitting out one warm summer night around 2am and what looked like two satellites passed overhead. Only they were moving too fast to be satellites and they were running parallel with each other, then suddenly went off in different directions at a 45 degree angle at massive speed. They were too organised to be meteorites. God knows what they were.
You have just given me goosebumps. I have seen many many different aerial phenomenon and I could explain all of them except one which was beyond the ordinary and sort of ridiculous. Summer night early in the morning. I had been out most of the night counting meteors during the Perseid meteor "shower" annual event and had returned home and decided to look out the window to see if i could spot any more. What I saw was something similar to what you saw but more dramatic and more unexpected. I thought that maybe one day I would include it in a short story and have never really spoken about it although I wrote it down. I have experience of science and I know science requires reproducibility, all I had here was a single observation.
That you saw these two things means they were producing light, either reflected light from the Sun behind the Earth, or they were producing their own light. That you thought they were satellites makes me think you saw two white lights? When they went off in different directions did they move in straight lines or was it sort of curved?

They were white lights and they moved in completely straight lines, which made me think they were mechanical not organic.

John Doe · Still Here!

One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever UAP's are they are not aliens.

Date: Dec 4 10:39 PM, 2020

Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They need to release all the data for us to attempt to make sense of it. Distorted single images doesn't cut it. I am sure they have more data on this through their tracking radar and visual systems.
Has anyone here seen something that they couldn't identify or explain and so classify it as a ufo or uap (aerial phenomenon)? There are many things that can be confused for ufos such as weather balloons, chinese lanterns, satellites, aeroplanes when viewed from the ground under various atmospheric conditions.
.... warm summer night around 2am and what looked like two satellites passed overhead. Only they were moving too fast to be satellites and they were running parallel with each other, then suddenly went off in different directions at a 45 degree angle at massive speed. They were too organised to be meteorites ......
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They were white lights and they moved in completely straight lines, which made me think they were mechanical not organic.

It is possible to have a single white light moving very quickly across the sky then splitting in two or more but they wouldn't accelerate and the angle would likely be less than 45 degrees. This can happen when a meteor breaks up after entry into the earths atmosphere. What you describe doesn't seem to be naturally possible given you saw two lights moving side by side in parallel and then both moving off in different directions and accelerating as they did this. Just a thought, I assume there were no telegraph wires in that direction. Reflection off telegraph wires can cause some otherwise odd effects.

Date: Dec 4 10:51 PM, 2020

John Doe wrote:
One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever UAP's are they are not aliens.

What are your views on space time travelling back into the past? Impossible, possible or don't know.

Digger · Admin

Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Digger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
They need to release all the data for us to attempt to make sense of it. Distorted single images doesn't cut it. I am sure they have more data on this through their tracking radar and visual systems.
Has anyone here seen something that they couldn't identify or explain and so classify it as a ufo or uap (aerial phenomenon)? There are many things that can be confused for ufos such as weather balloons, chinese lanterns, satellites, aeroplanes when viewed from the ground under various atmospheric conditions.
.... warm summer night around 2am and what looked like two satellites passed overhead. Only they were moving too fast to be satellites and they were running parallel with each other, then suddenly went off in different directions at a 45 degree angle at massive speed. They were too organised to be meteorites ......
........
They were white lights and they moved in completely straight lines, which made me think they were mechanical not organic.
It is possible to have a single white light moving very quickly across the sky then splitting in two or more but they wouldn't accelerate and the angle would likely be less than 45 degrees. This can happen when a meteor breaks up after entry into the earths atmosphere. What you describe doesn't seem to be naturally possible given you saw two lights moving side by side in parallel and then both moving off in different directions and accelerating as they did this. Just a thought, I assume there were no telegraph wires in that direction. Reflection off telegraph wires can cause some otherwise odd effects.

No telegraph wires. They were very high up and absolutely silent.

John Doe · Still Here!

Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever UAP's are they are not aliens.
What are your views on space time travelling back into the past? Impossible, possible or don't know.

As far as I know time travel to the past is impossible, however we could travel to the future 'merely' by travelling at a significant percentage of C.

I am sure in the far future this will one day become feasible (if we have not destroyed both ourselves and the planet).

Here is a recent article on the topic.

https://phys.org/news/2020-12-im-astronomer-aliens-therebut-ufo.html

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 4th of December 2020 11:26:07 PM

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 5th of December 2020 12:05:37 AM

Digger · Admin

John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever UAP's are they are not aliens.
What are your views on space time travelling back into the past? Impossible, possible or don't know.
As far as I know time travel to the past is impossible, however we could travel to the future 'merely' by travelling at a significant percentage of C.
I am sure one day in the far future this will one day become feasible (if we have not destroyed both ourselves and the planet).
Here is a recent article on the topic.
https://phys.org/news/2020-12-im-astronomer-aliens-therebut-ufo.html

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 4th of December 2020 11:26:07 PM

I don't think time is linear. That's a manmade concept. I think it's something you can dip in and out of if you could find a way to do that in this third dimensional world. I think the past, future and present are the same thing...or part of the same construct. I think that interdimensional places exist. We just haven't discovered them yet. But perhaps they've discovered us.

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever UAP's are they are not aliens.
What are your views on space time travelling back into the past? Impossible, possible or don't know.
As far as I know time travel to the past is impossible, however we could travel to the future 'merely' by travelling at a significant percentage of C.
I am sure one day in the far future this will one day become feasible (if we have not destroyed both ourselves and the planet).
Here is a recent article on the topic.
https://phys.org/news/2020-12-im-astronomer-aliens-therebut-ufo.html

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 4th of December 2020 11:26:07 PM
I don't think time is linear. That's a manmade concept. I think it's something you can dip in and out of if you could find a way to do that in this third dimensional world. I think the past, future and present are the same thing...or part of the same construct. I think that interdimensional places exist. We just haven't discovered them yet. But perhaps they've discovered us.

An interesting idea Digs.

Digger · Admin

John Doe wrote:
Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever UAP's are they are not aliens.
What are your views on space time travelling back into the past? Impossible, possible or don't know.
As far as I know time travel to the past is impossible, however we could travel to the future 'merely' by travelling at a significant percentage of C.
I am sure one day in the far future this will one day become feasible (if we have not destroyed both ourselves and the planet).
Here is a recent article on the topic.
https://phys.org/news/2020-12-im-astronomer-aliens-therebut-ufo.html

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 4th of December 2020 11:26:07 PM
I don't think time is linear. That's a manmade concept. I think it's something you can dip in and out of if you could find a way to do that in this third dimensional world. I think the past, future and present are the same thing...or part of the same construct. I think that interdimensional places exist. We just haven't discovered them yet. But perhaps they've discovered us.
An interesting idea Digs.

Is that a euphemistic way of saying 'Bollocks!'

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
John Doe wrote:
One thing I am absolutely certain of is that whatever UAP's are they are not aliens.
What are your views on space time travelling back into the past? Impossible, possible or don't know.
As far as I know time travel to the past is impossible, however we could travel to the future 'merely' by travelling at a significant percentage of C.
I am sure one day in the far future this will one day become feasible (if we have not destroyed both ourselves and the planet).
Here is a recent article on the topic.
https://phys.org/news/2020-12-im-astronomer-aliens-therebut-ufo.html

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 4th of December 2020 11:26:07 PM
I don't think time is linear. That's a manmade concept. I think it's something you can dip in and out of if you could find a way to do that in this third dimensional world. I think the past, future and present are the same thing...or part of the same construct. I think that interdimensional places exist. We just haven't discovered them yet. But perhaps they've discovered us.
An interesting idea Digs.
Is that a euphemistic way of saying 'Bollocks!'

No really it's an interesting concept that has crossed my mind before Digs although the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Entropy would seem to be inescapable and that Time's Arrow only ever moves forward in our Universe.

Date: Dec 5 2:00 AM, 2020

I told this true story on dogs an no one took it seriously!

I'm sitting alone having a GLASS OF whisky unwinding from a pretty wild Saturday night.

I'm looking at and wondering about the amount of dust floating about in the numerous sunbeams coming through a small gap in the partially opened curtains.

I realise a number of dust specks are not moving like the rest they're as good as stationary .... with some effort I wave my hands about to create a little draught .... it affects the dust but not the numerous ones standing stationary in front of me.

I get this uncomfortable feeling they're watching me .... looking at me and then one takes a course for under the nearby chest of draws. The others soon follow suit.

I sit for five minutes pondering what just happened and looking toward the darkness under the chest of drawers.

I'm about to move to go and look when I hear a voice ... we cannot get through some strange fog in the humans mind to erase the memory of what he just saw but we have decided to leave him alone as no one will believe him anyway and suddenly dozens of these things shoot upwards some of them very metallic looking and they are gone ... where I don't know.

I sigh have another puff on my joint take a sip of whiskey and give out a sigh and drift off into memories of Saturday night.

No one believes me of curse.

Date: Dec 5 2:03 AM, 2020

Is time linear?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=iS+TIME+LINEAR

Date: Dec 5 2:38 AM, 2020

The new end of the world religionists need to calm down a little the world is in pretty much the same place it has been for a hundred years.

But Greenland is melting and we're all gonna drown or boil alive.

Greenland?

Well for the last three years Greenland has been amassing snow and ice like it always does after some long melts .... perfectly normal.

The average two storey house is twenty five feet from ground to roofline.

Each year for the last three years the ice has risen on land and thickened by a hundred feet.

That's four two story houses stood on top of each other.

Over three years that's twelve two storey houses stood on top of each other .... that's a lot of ice and a lot of growth for this main Greenland glacier.

The glacier is also growing outwards into the sea and what not long ago was open sea is now walls of impenetrable ice.

I know you end of the world alarmist religionists don't get this on your fake news or newspaper sites ... The BBC the Faux News The Guardian etc but on this not only tinfoil hat site but tinfoil clothing site called NASA .... it's a bit different ... if you don't believe NASA there's plenty more info elsewhere .... goodnight everyone.

Major Greenland Glacier Is Growing

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/145185/major-greenland-glacier-is-growing

Date: Dec 5 4:24 AM, 2020

What I understand about time is that there is no absolute time like in Newtonian Physics and no absolute linear flow of time. Rather time is personal and different from one place to another and depends on your motion and the gravitational field. Rather than speaking of time one has to speak of space-time. The theory that encompases this is called the General Theory of Relativity and this is used to describe the large domain. On the smaller domain we have Quantum Theory. Unfortunately these two theories don't mix. The theory of the very small is not consistent with the theory of the very big.