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Digger · Admin

NHS doctors are giving antidepressants to children as young as FIVE

Digger · Admin

This is appalling. Truly shocking. I'm aghast that any doctor would even consider giving a child drugs like this. I mean, we are all going to hell in a fucking handcart here. Truly.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Bloody hell.....No 5 year old should feel depressed and they certainly shouldn't be prescribed mind altering drugs.

Digger · Admin

I feel we humans are slowly but surely losing something vital with regards to what really matters in life.

Maddog · Go Outside

I think you can thank us for that.

It's been fairly common over here for years.

And it's appalling. Young people no longer know how to cope, and every minor adversity is tantamount to The Blitz now.

So between whining about everything, they get medicated.

Funny how we have increases in mass shootings and suicides too.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Family breakdown and the internet both have to be the main causes of the problems with young kids.

Children seem to be either over analyzed or just not talked to. Even something as simple as sitting round a table and sharing family meals seems to be a distant memory in many modern families.

Kids sit in their rooms playing internet games in isolation, it's not surprising they are unhappy.

John Doe · Still Here!

Fucking hell.

I basically ruined my life until I was 30 because of true depression/anxiety/agoraphobia and hiding it and self medicating with booze.

I might be the black sheep of the family but at least I really tried and still am.

These people make me sick.

Magica · Go Outside

Giving antidepressants to 5 yr olds is disgusting. They're turning our kids into namby pambys. What in heavens name would a kid of that age have to be depressed about. It's bloody ridiculous!

Maddog · Go Outside

www.esquire.com/news-politics/a32858/drugging-of-the-american-boy-0414/

This is an old story. Shows how long the problem has been over here.

It really pisses me off. I can be a bit callous towards the suffering of adults, but I'm a huge advocate for protecting kids from this nonsense.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

frightening.

When my son was very young he was diagnosed as hyperactive. Most Dr's in the mid 1970's didn't even know what that was, one Dr diagnosed my son from reading some research from the US.

My son literally didn't seem to need to sleep, was often awake all night, even though I made sure he was active in the day.

More than one Dr (we saw several) prescribed phenegren in liquid form. The first night I gave it I watched over him all night because he went into a deep sleep, very rare for him....he was by then about 10 months old.

Soon after we went on holiday, the phenegren by now wasn't working , he had been on it a week or so, a very small amount, I took him to a local clinic whilst we were away because he was screaming a lot and the Dr there said to up the dose to relax him, she had given it to her own son, and she dished it out as and when.

I stopped immediately, it just didn't seem right to keep sedating a baby.

He had really bad problems with sleeping and eating till he was over 3, but we dealt with it by trying to limit sugar in his diet, keeping him very active, and taking him on long walks (sometimes I had blisters on my feet but son was still running around with boundless energy, and still not sleeping day or night)

When he was exactly three years 4 months old, (coincidentally the exact age my brother died) he went to bed and slept the night through, from then on , he slept normally.

His hyperactivity didn't lessen much but he and we coped with it without any more drugs to subdue him.

As an afternote, I do believe a lot of parents believe their children are hyperactive when they are just normal boisterous lads.

-- Edited by Syl on Friday 5th of March 2021 01:07:10 PM

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
frightening.

When my son was very young he was diagnosed as hyperactive. Most Dr's in the mid 1970's didn't even know what that was, one Dr diagnosed my son from reading some research from the US.

My son literally didn't seem to need to sleep, was often awake all night, even though I made sure he was active in the day.

More than one Dr (we saw several) prescribed phenegren in liquid form. The first night I gave it I watched over him all night because he went into a deep sleep, very rare for him....he was by then about 10 months old.

Soon after we went on holiday, the phenegren by now wasn't working , he had been on it a week or so, a very small amount, I took him to a local clinic whilst we were away because he was screaming a lot and the Dr there said to up the dose to relax him, she had given it to her own son, and she dished it out as and when.

I stopped immediately, it just didn't seem right to keep sedating a baby.

He had really bad problems with sleeping and eating till he was over 3, but we dealt with it by trying to limit sugar in his diet, keeping him very active, and taking him on long walks (sometimes I had blisters on my feet but son was still running around with boundless energy, and still not sleeping day or night)

When he was exactly three years 4 months old, (coincidentally the exact age my brother died) he went to bed and slept the night through, from then on , he slept normally.

His hyperactivity didn't lessen much but he and we coped with it without any more drugs to subdue him.

As an afternote, I do believe a lot of parents believe their children are hyperactive when they are just normal boisterous lads.

-- Edited by Syl on Friday 5th of March 2021 01:07:10 PM

There seems to be a new 'syndrome' invented each week for kids who don't behave as well - 'Oppositional Defiant Disorder' for example.

It seems to me in the past most of them would just have been called what they are - trouble causing little shits!

Any excuse these days.

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 5th of March 2021 04:11:27 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
frightening.

When my son was very young he was diagnosed as hyperactive. Most Dr's in the mid 1970's didn't even know what that was, one Dr diagnosed my son from reading some research from the US.

My son literally didn't seem to need to sleep, was often awake all night, even though I made sure he was active in the day.

More than one Dr (we saw several) prescribed phenegren in liquid form. The first night I gave it I watched over him all night because he went into a deep sleep, very rare for him....he was by then about 10 months old.

Soon after we went on holiday, the phenegren by now wasn't working , he had been on it a week or so, a very small amount, I took him to a local clinic whilst we were away because he was screaming a lot and the Dr there said to up the dose to relax him, she had given it to her own son, and she dished it out as and when.

I stopped immediately, it just didn't seem right to keep sedating a baby.

He had really bad problems with sleeping and eating till he was over 3, but we dealt with it by trying to limit sugar in his diet, keeping him very active, and taking him on long walks (sometimes I had blisters on my feet but son was still running around with boundless energy, and still not sleeping day or night)

When he was exactly three years 4 months old, (coincidentally the exact age my brother died) he went to bed and slept the night through, from then on , he slept normally.

His hyperactivity didn't lessen much but he and we coped with it without any more drugs to subdue him.

As an afternote, I do believe a lot of parents believe their children are hyperactive when they are just normal boisterous lads.

-- Edited by Syl on Friday 5th of March 2021 01:07:10 PM

Exercise doesn't cure everything, but wearing out the monsters with a lot of activity can't hurt.

I had all girls, but they played sports year round. Kept them fit and tired at night.

Digger · Admin

John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
frightening.

When my son was very young he was diagnosed as hyperactive. Most Dr's in the mid 1970's didn't even know what that was, one Dr diagnosed my son from reading some research from the US.

My son literally didn't seem to need to sleep, was often awake all night, even though I made sure he was active in the day.

More than one Dr (we saw several) prescribed phenegren in liquid form. The first night I gave it I watched over him all night because he went into a deep sleep, very rare for him....he was by then about 10 months old.

Soon after we went on holiday, the phenegren by now wasn't working , he had been on it a week or so, a very small amount, I took him to a local clinic whilst we were away because he was screaming a lot and the Dr there said to up the dose to relax him, she had given it to her own son, and she dished it out as and when.

I stopped immediately, it just didn't seem right to keep sedating a baby.

He had really bad problems with sleeping and eating till he was over 3, but we dealt with it by trying to limit sugar in his diet, keeping him very active, and taking him on long walks (sometimes I had blisters on my feet but son was still running around with boundless energy, and still not sleeping day or night)

When he was exactly three years 4 months old, (coincidentally the exact age my brother died) he went to bed and slept the night through, from then on , he slept normally.

His hyperactivity didn't lessen much but he and we coped with it without any more drugs to subdue him.

As an afternote, I do believe a lot of parents believe their children are hyperactive when they are just normal boisterous lads.

-- Edited by Syl on Friday 5th of March 2021 01:07:10 PM
There seems to be a new 'syndrome' invented each week for kids who don't behave as well - 'Oppositional Defiant Disorder' for example.
It seems to me in the past most of them would just have been called what they are - trouble causing little shits!
Any excuse these days.

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 5th of March 2021 04:11:27 PM

Back in the day you'd get a clip round the earhole for giving lip or get sent to bed early and wouldn't dare have any defiance. Children were seen and not heard. I think that's half the problem. It never did whole generations any harm at all.

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
frightening.

When my son was very young he was diagnosed as hyperactive. Most Dr's in the mid 1970's didn't even know what that was, one Dr diagnosed my son from reading some research from the US.

My son literally didn't seem to need to sleep, was often awake all night, even though I made sure he was active in the day.

More than one Dr (we saw several) prescribed phenegren in liquid form. The first night I gave it I watched over him all night because he went into a deep sleep, very rare for him....he was by then about 10 months old.

Soon after we went on holiday, the phenegren by now wasn't working , he had been on it a week or so, a very small amount, I took him to a local clinic whilst we were away because he was screaming a lot and the Dr there said to up the dose to relax him, she had given it to her own son, and she dished it out as and when.

I stopped immediately, it just didn't seem right to keep sedating a baby.

He had really bad problems with sleeping and eating till he was over 3, but we dealt with it by trying to limit sugar in his diet, keeping him very active, and taking him on long walks (sometimes I had blisters on my feet but son was still running around with boundless energy, and still not sleeping day or night)

When he was exactly three years 4 months old, (coincidentally the exact age my brother died) he went to bed and slept the night through, from then on , he slept normally.

His hyperactivity didn't lessen much but he and we coped with it without any more drugs to subdue him.

As an afternote, I do believe a lot of parents believe their children are hyperactive when they are just normal boisterous lads.

-- Edited by Syl on Friday 5th of March 2021 01:07:10 PM
There seems to be a new 'syndrome' invented each week for kids who don't behave as well - 'Oppositional Defiant Disorder' for example.
It seems to me in the past most of them would just have been called what they are - trouble causing little shits!
Any excuse these days.

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 5th of March 2021 04:11:27 PM
Back in the day you'd get a clip round the earhole for giving lip or get sent to bed early and wouldn't dare have any defiance. Children were seen and not heard. I think that's half the problem. It never did whole generations any harm at all.

Exactly - this ODD is a load of bollocks as far as I can tell - just an excuse for children to be the 'victims' whilst causing utter mayhem for other kids and adults alike.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

One mother was talking today saying her 5 year old has developed something akin to agoraphobia since the lockdown started and kids have been off school and unable to mix for so many months.
She said he is now scared to go outside and cries if he has to go anywhere . As she was talking I did wonder whether he has been allowed to watch all the news telling the public to stay home stay safe etc.
The child psychologist she was discussing this with did come to the same conclusion.
Many problems kids have stem from the adults around them.

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:

One mother was talking today saying her 5 year old has developed something akin to agoraphobia since the lockdown started and kids have been off school and unable to mix for so many months.
She said he is now scared to go outside and cries if he has to go anywhere . As she was talking I did wonder whether he has been allowed to watch all the news telling the public to stay home stay safe etc.
The child psychologist she was discussing this with did come to the same conclusion.
Many problems kids have stem from the adults around them.

Yes. If you have agitated or stressed parents, the child picks up on that and if affects them. They mirror adults...it's how they learn to socialise. People are just idiots.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Syl wrote:

One mother was talking today saying her 5 year old has developed something akin to agoraphobia since the lockdown started and kids have been off school and unable to mix for so many months.
She said he is now scared to go outside and cries if he has to go anywhere . As she was talking I did wonder whether he has been allowed to watch all the news telling the public to stay home stay safe etc.
The child psychologist she was discussing this with did come to the same conclusion.
Many problems kids have stem from the adults around them.
Yes. If you have agitated or stressed parents, the child picks up on that and if affects them. They mirror adults...it's how they learn to socialise. People are just idiots.

I assumed my parents weren't afraid of anything, especially my dad. It was only later in life that I realized they were, but they felt they had a responsibility to not let us see that.

I did the same with my girls, and they don't have a phobia between the three of them. They have cousins that tremble in the closet when there is a tornado warning, or need a pill to get on a plane.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Well my mum used to pick spiders up and gently put them outside. I have a real terror of them, which started in childhood and seems to get worse every year.....some things are obviously in us in spite of how we are taught from childhood.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Well my mum used to pick spiders up and gently put them outside. I have a real terror of them, which started in childhood and seems to get worse every year.....some things are obviously in us in spite of how we are taught from childhood.

Your mom should have thrown them at you.

That would have cured you.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Well my mum used to pick spiders up and gently put them outside. I have a real terror of them, which started in childhood and seems to get worse every year.....some things are obviously in us in spite of how we are taught from childhood.
Your mom should have thrown them at you.

That would have cured you.

If anyone threw a spider at me I KNOW I would have a heart attack.