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RE: There are some great songs out lately.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Give this a listen....brilliant.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

For Maddog...the video is a bit naff...but the song is great.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
For Maddog...the video is a bit naff...but the song is great.

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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Don't you like it? It's getting played a lot here.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Don't you like it? It's getting played a lot here.

No. She's a hip hop artist making a bad country song. At first, many country radio stations wouldn't play it, then her legions of fans started howling about racism. It's no doubt very popular, and it's fine for a pop station, but it's not country.

It's pop music with a banjo.

But to be fair, it's what many mainstream country stations play now, as it appeals to many people that don't really like traditional country music.

I guess I see so many uber talented ladies trying to get their big break, pouring the hearts out and busting their asses, and along comes a hip hop artist and she gets shot up to number one based on the support of people that can't name 10 country artists.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I can't stand her, but I like the song, it's catchy...and music shouldn't be looked down on just because it doesn't fit into the allocated niche....that's snobbery.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
I can't stand her, but I like the song, it's catchy...and music shouldn't be looked down on just because it doesn't fit into the allocated niche....that's snobbery.

There are small markets over here that used to play all sorts of music.

But generally, when you turn on a station that says it plays classic rock, one doesn't expect to hear Taylor Swift.

Speaking of her, she has catchy tunes I guess. They have their place, but they don't get played on country stations. Throwing in a banjo wouldn't make a difference. She's a pop star.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

We had a good TV series here a while ago, Pop star to Opera star.
Showing how people who are known for pop, can sing opera beautifully.

Country and western is less of a stretch...so why shouldn't people diversify?

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
We had a good TV series here a while ago, Pop star to Opera star.
Showing how people who are known for pop, can sing opera beautifully.

Country and western is less of a stretch...so why shouldn't people diversify?

They can. But I guess one has to agree on what country is.

Putting on a hat and mentioning Texas and declaring your song to he country is where the problem lies.

The Rolling Stones, through their friendship with Gram Parsons of the Byrds, can actually play country music.

Ray Charles and Tina Turner both did it too..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

There seems to be a lot of 'snobbery' about what country is, and who can be accepted by singing/playing it.

Music can overlap, think Motown and Northern Soul, both similar, both appreciated by people who like that kind of music.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
There seems to be a lot of 'snobbery' about what country is, and who can be accepted by singing/playing it.

Music can overlap, think Motown and Northern Soul, both similar, both appreciated by people who like that kind of music.

It's not really snobbery.

Anyone can play it.

But there is a sound associated with it, and of course genres and subgroups..

The Byrds were primarily known as a rock group, but could easily slip into a country song.

Eight Miles High is a rock song.

You Aint Going Nowhere is a country song..

The Rolling Stones may be the premier rock group ever..

Jumping Jack Flash is a rock song.

Dead Flowers is a country song

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Country rock combines the two....one of the greatest bands of all time, The Eagles, have done this for years.
Not sure if they would be accepted as that by Country music 'connoisseurs'.

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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

I like this performance, Justin Timberlake, last week on the Graham Norton show.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Country rock combines the two....one of the greatest bands of all time, The Eagles, have done this for years.
Not sure if they would be accepted as that by Country music 'connoisseurs'.

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It would be considered country by connoisseurs.

It would never get played on mainstream country channel because it doesn't have the pop sound required for that genre.

There are dozens of bands in Texas that play music like that. You will never hear them on the stations playing Beyonces "country " song.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Country rock combines the two....one of the greatest bands of all time, The Eagles, have done this for years.
Not sure if they would be accepted as that by Country music 'connoisseurs'.

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It would be considered country by connoisseurs.

It would never get played on mainstream country channel because it doesn't have the pop sound required for that genre.

There are dozens of bands in Texas that play music like that. You will never hear them on the stations playing Beyonces "country " song.

Maybe not, but I bet it would get all the people up on the dance floor at the local Hoedown.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Country rock combines the two....one of the greatest bands of all time, The Eagles, have done this for years.
Not sure if they would be accepted as that by Country music 'connoisseurs'.

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It would be considered country by connoisseurs.

It would never get played on mainstream country channel because it doesn't have the pop sound required for that genre.

There are dozens of bands in Texas that play music like that. You will never hear them on the stations playing Beyonces "country " song.
Maybe not, but I bet it would get all the people up on the dance floor at the local Hoedown.

We don't call them hoedowns. 🙄😉

They still get played on country stations that focus on independent musicians

And of course streaming services.

They might even win a Grammy in the country category, but never an Academy of Country Music award.

Nashville, the record executives and the mainstream station producers require a certain sound and agreeing to their rules.

The independents have to do it the hard way..

This isn't really new. Willie, Waylon and others left Nashville in the early 70s because they were told to sing what they were told.

They told them to fuck off and moved to Austin and the rest is history.

Even today, artists that sell out large venues and have massive record sales are excluded from mainstream country radio..

But Beyonce isn't. 🤷

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Like I said...snobbery.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Like I said...snobbery.

It's not snobbery.

It's more like gate keeping to perpetuate an economic policy to enrich those running the machine.

They aren't interested in talent or staying true to an art form.

But it's changing slowly.

Let Nashville play Beyonce and call it country.

-- Edited by Maddog on Wednesday 6th of March 2024 04:00:56 PM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Music should be fun, not a dictatorship.I think we are far more open re music channels here.
We have a channel for classical music, local channels for ethnic music, the others just play a variety....which is why, especially when in the car, I play my own music, and I still have the old fashioned CD'S.