ChaoticMusings

John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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 You seem to be OK with thousands of dead people. 

 

OK. 

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-- Edited by Digger on Friday 5th of November 2021 09:31:39 PM

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The Chinese saved lives. Do you support what they did to save lives? 

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Don't know, how does a load of insane Bubbas with machine guns blathering on about the Baby Jesus save lives whilst slaughtering kids?

NRA - lol.

You see how extreme for or against views are utter bullshit?

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 I asked you a question.  

Why don't you man the fuck up and answer it? 

Or are you waiting for one of the girls around here to do it for you?

John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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 You seem to be OK with thousands of dead people. 

 

OK. 

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-- Edited by Digger on Friday 5th of November 2021 09:31:39 PM

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The Chinese saved lives. Do you support what they did to save lives? 

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Don't know, how does a load of insane Bubbas with machine guns blathering on about the Baby Jesus save lives whilst slaughtering kids?

NRA - lol.

You see how extreme for or against views are utter bullshit?

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 I asked you a question.  

 

Why don't you man the fuck up and answer it? 

 

Or are you waiting for one of the girls around here to do it for you?

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I don't need a gun or a knife to man up. 

 

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 So answer the question princess..

Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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 You seem to be OK with thousands of dead people. 

 

OK. 

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-- Edited by Digger on Friday 5th of November 2021 09:31:39 PM

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The Chinese saved lives. Do you support what they did to save lives? 

---

Don't know, how does a load of insane Bubbas with machine guns blathering on about the Baby Jesus save lives whilst slaughtering kids?

NRA - lol.

You see how extreme for or against views are utter bullshit?

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 I asked you a question.  

 

Why don't you man the fuck up and answer it? 

 

Or are you waiting for one of the girls around here to do it for you?

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I don't need a gun or a knife to man up. 

 

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 So answer the question princess..

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I did - several times.

Europe and the UK is the middle way but the version of the US that you want (leaving people to enforce their own laws) and Chinese state control are the opposite.

Extreme anarchy on the right or extreme oppression by the left - not good in my opinion.

John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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 You seem to be OK with thousands of dead people. 

 

OK. 

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-- Edited by Digger on Friday 5th of November 2021 09:31:39 PM

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The Chinese saved lives. Do you support what they did to save lives? 

---

Don't know, how does a load of insane Bubbas with machine guns blathering on about the Baby Jesus save lives whilst slaughtering kids?

NRA - lol.

You see how extreme for or against views are utter bullshit?

---

 I asked you a question.  

 

Why don't you man the fuck up and answer it? 

 

Or are you waiting for one of the girls around here to do it for you?

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I don't need a gun or a knife to man up. 

 

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 So answer the question princess..

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I did - several times.

Europe and the UK is the middle way but the version of the US that you want (leaving people to enforce their own laws) and Chinese state control are the opposite.

Extreme anarchy on the right or extreme oppression by the left - not good in my opinion.

 

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 6th of November 2021 04:31:38 PM

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 So the thousands of additional deaths in other places was superior to the actions by the Chinese government that saved lives? 

You want just enough oppression to save some lives, but not enough to save a lot of lives.

Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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 You seem to be OK with thousands of dead people. 

 

OK. 

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-- Edited by Digger on Friday 5th of November 2021 09:31:39 PM

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The Chinese saved lives. Do you support what they did to save lives? 

---

Don't know, how does a load of insane Bubbas with machine guns blathering on about the Baby Jesus save lives whilst slaughtering kids?

NRA - lol.

You see how extreme for or against views are utter bullshit?

---

 I asked you a question.  

 

Why don't you man the fuck up and answer it? 

 

Or are you waiting for one of the girls around here to do it for you?

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I don't need a gun or a knife to man up. 

 

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 So answer the question princess..

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I did - several times.

Europe and the UK is the middle way but the version of the US that you want (leaving people to enforce their own laws) and Chinese state control are the opposite.

Extreme anarchy on the right or extreme oppression by the left - not good in my opinion.

 

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 6th of November 2021 04:31:38 PM

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 So the thousands of additional deaths in other places was superior to the actions by the Chinese government that saved lives? 

 

You want just enough oppression to save some lives, but not enough to save a lot of lives.

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You are trying a Straw Man - it won't work with me it's not all or nothing there is always a middle and sensible way.

Anyway look how well the US have done because of anti-vaxxers and your 'freedoms' being threatened by wearing a mask or social distancing.

Getting on for 800,000 now and unfortunately many of these ideas have now spread to the UK who have done very poorly as well.

John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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 You seem to be OK with thousands of dead people. 

 

OK. 

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-- Edited by Digger on Friday 5th of November 2021 09:31:39 PM

---

 

The Chinese saved lives. Do you support what they did to save lives? 

---

Don't know, how does a load of insane Bubbas with machine guns blathering on about the Baby Jesus save lives whilst slaughtering kids?

NRA - lol.

You see how extreme for or against views are utter bullshit?

---

 I asked you a question.  

 

Why don't you man the fuck up and answer it? 

 

Or are you waiting for one of the girls around here to do it for you?

---

I don't need a gun or a knife to man up. 

 

---

 So answer the question princess..

---

I did - several times.

Europe and the UK is the middle way but the version of the US that you want (leaving people to enforce their own laws) and Chinese state control are the opposite.

Extreme anarchy on the right or extreme oppression by the left - not good in my opinion.

 

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 6th of November 2021 04:31:38 PM

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 So the thousands of additional deaths in other places was superior to the actions by the Chinese government that saved lives? 

 

You want just enough oppression to save some lives, but not enough to save a lot of lives.

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You are trying a Straw Man - it won't work with me it's not all or nothing there is always a middle and sensible way.

Anyway look how well the US have done because of anti-vaxxers and your 'freedoms' being threatened by wearing a mask or social distancing.

Getting on for 800,000 now and unfortunately many of these ideas have now spread to the UK who have done very poorly as well.

 

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 Maybe we should have adopted the Chinese method..

Maybe the Brits should have. 

There would be a about 100K less deaths in your country if you did. 

John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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John Doe wrote:

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 You seem to be OK with thousands of dead people. 

 

OK. 

---

 

-- Edited by Digger on Friday 5th of November 2021 09:31:39 PM

---

 

The Chinese saved lives. Do you support what they did to save lives? 

---

Don't know, how does a load of insane Bubbas with machine guns blathering on about the Baby Jesus save lives whilst slaughtering kids?

NRA - lol.

You see how extreme for or against views are utter bullshit?

---

 I asked you a question.  

 

Why don't you man the fuck up and answer it? 

 

Or are you waiting for one of the girls around here to do it for you?

---

I don't need a gun or a knife to man up. 

 

---

 So answer the question princess..

---

I did - several times.

Europe and the UK is the middle way but the version of the US that you want (leaving people to enforce their own laws) and Chinese state control are the opposite.

Extreme anarchy on the right or extreme oppression by the left - not good in my opinion.

 

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 6th of November 2021 04:31:38 PM

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 So the thousands of additional deaths in other places was superior to the actions by the Chinese government that saved lives? 

 

You want just enough oppression to save some lives, but not enough to save a lot of lives.

---

You are trying a Straw Man - it won't work with me it's not all or nothing there is always a middle and sensible way.

Anyway look how well the US have done because of anti-vaxxers and your 'freedoms' being threatened by wearing a mask or social distancing.

Getting on for 800,000 now and unfortunately many of these ideas have now spread to the UK who have done very poorly as well.

 

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 Maybe we should have adopted the Chinese method..

 

Maybe the Brits should have. 

 

There would be a about 100K less deaths in your country if you did. 

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If we adopted your Libertarian methods it would be like the history books which are so full of genocide, mass slaughter and rape - from those with the most advanced of weapons to be able to dominate.

 

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China. Pay attention. 

China saved tens of thousands of lives with their zero tolerance methods. 

Was it worth it, or is allowing people freedom, knowing it will raise the death, count a better idea? 

Syl wrote:

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No one really knows the truth about what's happened in China, the people are so oppressed they dare not speak out.
Like Poca said, but for China, none of us would be in this position anyway.

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 My government funded that lab in China. 

We also know that China has a zero tolerance policy for covid. 

Your rights don't matter. Stopping the virus is all that matters. That policy has been far more successful than any European policy at dramatically lowering the death count. 

The question now is, is it worth it? 

Are rights more important than saving maybe 100,000 lives in your country?  

Syl wrote:

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If your government funded that lab in China maybe they should have been more aware of what was going on there.
It would have saved millions of lives and trillions of £ and $.

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 No shit. But with Fauci being a deity for many, that's pretty hard to do. 

But people are trying.  

In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. While a few have spoken up, why are not more doing so? Well, some tried but failed. Others kept silent when they saw colleagues slandered and smeared in the media or censored by Big Tech. Some are government employees who are barred from contradicting official policy. Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world. Most scientists are not experts on infectious disease outbreaks. Were we, say, oncologists, physicists or botanists, we would probably also have trusted Dr. Fauci.


The evidence is in. Governors, journalists, scientists, university presidents, hospital administrators and business leaders can continue to follow Dr. Anthony Fauci or open their eyes. After 700,000-plus COVID deaths and the devastating effects of lockdowns, it is time to return to basic principles of public health.

Martin Kulldorff, Ph.D., is an epidemiologist, biostatistician, and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Jay Bhattacharya, MD, Ph.D., is a Professor of Health Policy at Stanford University School of Medicine. Both are Senior Scholars at the newly formed Brownstone Institute.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fooled-america-opinion-1643839