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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

RE: Anti-vaxxer musician dies from Covid aged 40, after saying he couldn't get ill because he exercised

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Sorry Maddog. I think you are wrong.
We now know we don't retain antibodies both from the vaccine or the actual virus for that long, so double jabbed people can certainly be infected from the unvaccinated.
If a person has been vaccinated, at least for a time, they are less likely to catch the virus...so less likely to spread it.

There is a hospital in Preston, that has a Covid ward filled with younger people who have not been vaccinated, and older and vulnerable people whose vaccination has worn off.
No doubt many more hospitals are seeing the same thing.
So get your boosters and stop worrying about others.

Or do the boosters not work either?

And folks with natural immunity?

They seem to be just fine in spite of predictions to the contrary.

-- Edited by Maddog on Friday 12th of November 2021 08:10:29 PM
Like the ones who refuse the vaccine you mean?

Yeah.

Get your shots and boosters and leave people be.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Sorry Maddog. I think you are wrong.
We now know we don't retain antibodies both from the vaccine or the actual virus for that long, so double jabbed people can certainly be infected from the unvaccinated.
If a person has been vaccinated, at least for a time, they are less likely to catch the virus...so less likely to spread it.

There is a hospital in Preston, that has a Covid ward filled with younger people who have not been vaccinated, and older and vulnerable people whose vaccination has worn off.
No doubt many more hospitals are seeing the same thing.
So get your boosters and stop worrying about others.

Or do the boosters not work either?

And folks with natural immunity?

They seem to be just fine in spite of predictions to the contrary.

-- Edited by Maddog on Friday 12th of November 2021 08:10:29 PM
Like the ones who refuse the vaccine you mean?

Yeah.

Get your shots and boosters and leave people be.

In other words 'I'm alright Jack' - Thatcher did that and we are still a more fractured society than ever before here, not as much as the US though thank fuck.

I get pissed off about people if they endanger others due to bullshit from the net - and they fucking have due to their selfish and deluded behaviour.

I wish the Gov would plant a chip in their heads - we might get a bit of reason for once.

Then again most of the US in the 21st century still believes an ancient (fictional) Jewish zombie walked on water and rose from the dead over two millennia ago and live their entire existence by it.

Go figure.

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 13th of November 2021 02:01:14 AM

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Sorry Maddog. I think you are wrong.
We now know we don't retain antibodies both from the vaccine or the actual virus for that long, so double jabbed people can certainly be infected from the unvaccinated.
If a person has been vaccinated, at least for a time, they are less likely to catch the virus...so less likely to spread it.

There is a hospital in Preston, that has a Covid ward filled with younger people who have not been vaccinated, and older and vulnerable people whose vaccination has worn off.
No doubt many more hospitals are seeing the same thing.
So get your boosters and stop worrying about others.

Or do the boosters not work either?

And folks with natural immunity?

They seem to be just fine in spite of predictions to the contrary.

-- Edited by Maddog on Friday 12th of November 2021 08:10:29 PM
Like the ones who refuse the vaccine you mean?

Yeah.

Get your shots and boosters and leave people be.
In other words 'I'm alright Jack' - Thatcher did that and we are still a more fractured society than ever before here, not as much as the US though thank fuck.
I get pissed off about people if they endanger others due to bullshit from the net - and they fucking have due to their selfish and deluded behaviour.
I wish the Gov would plant a chip in their heads - we might get a bit of reason for once.
Then again most of the US in the 21st century still believes an ancient (fictional) Jewish zombie walked on water and rose from the dead over two millennia ago and live their entire existence by it.
Go figure.

-- Edited by John Doe on Saturday 13th of November 2021 02:01:14 AM

In other words, mind your own business and handle your own affairs. We are not cattle, nor part of a herd.

Maddog · Go Outside

NEW YORK — The holidays are about to get heated — and politics aren’t even the main issue this time. Nearly two-thirds of vaccinated Americans are banning unvaccinated family members from their holiday gatherings this year.

A survey of 2,000 U.S. residents – conducted by OnePoll on Nov. 2 – examined how the COVID-19 vaccine has impacted people’s relationships with their loved ones ahead of the holidays this year.

holidays unvaccinatedAccording to the results, two in three respondents feel they cannot go home for the holidays without getting vaccinated first. Of the 65 percent who are fully vaccinated, nearly six in 10 (58%) have reportedly cut off family members who refuse to get the vaccine. Meanwhile, 63 percent don’t feel comfortable inviting unvaccinated relatives to their parties.

www.studyfinds.org/unvaccinated-relatives-banned-holiday-family-gatherings/

Do you have a vaccine policy for your family and friends? Do you ask them their status?

I never ask, and the closest I have come to suggesting it was for my youngest and her wedding. I told her it would suck to cancel because she had covid.

She got her shots.

I know my brother got his, because his wife wouldn't let anyone visit until they both got vaccinated.

But if you come to my home, or any of my kids homes this holiday, nobody is going to ask your status.

-- Edited by Maddog on Saturday 13th of November 2021 06:52:01 PM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Personally I wouldn't ban a close family member from sharing Christmas with us, in fact I have a close family member who has only just decided to get his first jab.

If my mum was still alive, because she was old and frail, it would be different.
I was her carer for years, I always got the flu jab because I think had she caught flu in later life it would have been very bad....so I would work on the same principle.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Personally I wouldn't ban a close family member from sharing Christmas with us, in fact I have a close family member who has only just decided to get his first jab.

If my mum was still alive, because she was old and frail, it would be different.
I was her carer for years, I always got the flu jab because I think had she caught flu in later life it would have been very bad....so I would work on the same principle.

Did you know the vaccine status of folks that were around your mother.

My parents got flu shots, but I don't think any of the younger members of the family did. We just stayed away when we were sick.

I know as a carer, you couldn't do that.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Personally I wouldn't ban a close family member from sharing Christmas with us, in fact I have a close family member who has only just decided to get his first jab.

If my mum was still alive, because she was old and frail, it would be different.
I was her carer for years, I always got the flu jab because I think had she caught flu in later life it would have been very bad....so I would work on the same principle.
Did you know the vaccine status of folks that were around your mother.

My parents got flu shots, but I don't think any of the younger members of the family did. We just stayed away when we were sick.

I know as a carer, you couldn't do that.

Well my mum was housebound and in her later years she didn't want anyone else visiting, so it wasn't an issue.

Had she had carers coming in, No, I wouldn't have known if they were vaccinated, but tbh, I don't think it was such an issue before Covid.

I used to get the flu jab because I spent a lot of time with her indoors, had she caught flu it would have been from me.

Maddog · Go Outside

No doubt covid has changed how we look at a lot of things.

I'm not sure it's been positive.

The holidays are rough enough for many.

Now we can fight over who gets to see who based on vaccine status.

I mean not me, but some folks.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
No doubt covid has changed how we look at a lot of things.

I'm not sure it's been positive.

The holidays are rough enough for many.

Now we can fight over who gets to see who based on vaccine status.

I mean not me, but some folks.

I agree Covid has changed the way we look at things....and imo it's definately not been positive.

Covid infections and deaths did rise after last Christmas, and no doubt they will after this Christmas.

If people want to mix more....and it's Christmas, a time for family gatherings, all you can do is try to protect yourself as best you can.

I started hugging people again months ago, hugs are important.

John Doe · Still Here!

I see the Anti-vaxxers in the Netherlands have been causing violence and mayhem over the last few days, what a bunch of fuckwits.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Not so good news about the new variant that's heading here...if it's not already arrived, that is.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Not so good news about the new variant that's heading here...if it's not already arrived, that is.

It has arrived.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Yes I saw, two known cases, next week thousands.
We have been down this road before.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Yes I saw, two known cases, next week thousands.
We have been down this road before.

I need to book a booster and quickly.

Maddog · Go Outside

61 people tested positive on a flight from South Africa to the Netherlands.

They were all vaccinated or had negative tests prior to the flight.

They think many more will test positive in the next 2-3 days.

I wonder how well the vaccination status is really checked.

My son in law just got back from Germany. I asked him how they checked his status at restaurants.

He had a picture of his vaccine card on his phone. He said they never asked for any other ID. He could have taken a picture of my card and they wouldn't have known.

Or he could have shown them a fake card from the US. Does the typical restaurant worker know what cards from other countries even look like?

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Same her re the checking of covid passes.
In the venues where they are needed, apparently very few checks are made.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Selfish or what?

A married couple who tested positive for COVID-19 have been arrested after fleeing a quarantine hotel in the Netherlands before attempting to leave the country.

The couple had been staying at a quarantine hotel in the Kennmerland region, where travellers from South Africa who have tested positive for COVID-19 are self-isolating.

Among more than 600 passengers on two flights from Cape Town and Johannesburg, 61 have tested positive for COVID-19 - and 13 of them were infected with the Omicron variant.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/couple-with-covid-19-arrested-on-plane-to-spain-after-fleeing-dutch-quarantine-hotel/ar-AARfzro?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Selfish or what?

A married couple who tested positive for COVID-19 have been arrested after fleeing a quarantine hotel in the Netherlands before attempting to leave the country.

The couple had been staying at a quarantine hotel in the Kennmerland region, where travellers from South Africa who have tested positive for COVID-19 are self-isolating.
Among more than 600 passengers on two flights from Cape Town and Johannesburg, 61 have tested positive for COVID-19 - and 13 of them were infected with the Omicron variant.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/couple-with-covid-19-arrested-on-plane-to-spain-after-fleeing-dutch-quarantine-hotel/ar-AARfzro?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Yeah and being selfish in this case could mean causing death for some poor soul who came into contact with them.

Disgusting.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Selfish or what?

A married couple who tested positive for COVID-19 have been arrested after fleeing a quarantine hotel in the Netherlands before attempting to leave the country.

The couple had been staying at a quarantine hotel in the Kennmerland region, where travellers from South Africa who have tested positive for COVID-19 are self-isolating.
Among more than 600 passengers on two flights from Cape Town and Johannesburg, 61 have tested positive for COVID-19 - and 13 of them were infected with the Omicron variant.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/couple-with-covid-19-arrested-on-plane-to-spain-after-fleeing-dutch-quarantine-hotel/ar-AARfzro?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Arrested for not staying in a hotel?

Now what happens to them?