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RE: Anti-vaxxer musician dies from Covid aged 40, after saying he couldn't get ill because he exercised

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, so I think it's accepted that unvaccinated people are more at risk of catching covid so are more likely than fully vaccinated people to infect others.

Given that, what would be your stance on mandatory vaccines for care workers or frontline NHS workers?
I understand folks in hospitals but even that makes me uneasy. I'm comfortable with unvaccinated healthcare professionals.

My nurse friend has some co workers that haven't been vaccinated, but several have had the virus.

My nurse friend says they have to eat by themselves and have more mask restrictions in the hospital..

We have a religious exemption for all vaccines and at least at the state level, very few questions are asked when it's given.

I sure as hell don't care what basketball players do.

This thing isn't going anywhere. It doesn't appear like we will vaccinate our way out of it either. Even the Israelis had a surge with very high vaccination rates.

I still like the Swedish mentality far more than the Australian which horrifies me.

Go get your vaccine, or don't and go make the best of your life. It's time to move on.
I would never make the vaccine compulsory... too much like a police state, I would definitely restrict unvaccinated people from working with the old, ill and vulnerable.
Anyone else who refused the vaccine for anything other than health grounds, I wouldn't care if their freedom to travel or mix in some venues was limited.

Personally, I think it's anti social to refuse to protect the rest of society.
Vaccines save millions of lives, there is just no reason to refuse it other than sheer selfishness imo.
As well as stupidity in the case of the anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nutjobs.

Stupidity?

Maybe.

A lot of things people do could be considered stupid.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, so I think it's accepted that unvaccinated people are more at risk of catching covid so are more likely than fully vaccinated people to infect others.

Given that, what would be your stance on mandatory vaccines for care workers or frontline NHS workers?
I understand folks in hospitals but even that makes me uneasy. I'm comfortable with unvaccinated healthcare professionals.

My nurse friend has some co workers that haven't been vaccinated, but several have had the virus.

My nurse friend says they have to eat by themselves and have more mask restrictions in the hospital..

We have a religious exemption for all vaccines and at least at the state level, very few questions are asked when it's given.

I sure as hell don't care what basketball players do.

This thing isn't going anywhere. It doesn't appear like we will vaccinate our way out of it either. Even the Israelis had a surge with very high vaccination rates.

I still like the Swedish mentality far more than the Australian which horrifies me.

Go get your vaccine, or don't and go make the best of your life. It's time to move on.
I would never make the vaccine compulsory... too much like a police state, I would definitely restrict unvaccinated people from working with the old, ill and vulnerable.
Anyone else who refused the vaccine for anything other than health grounds, I wouldn't care if their freedom to travel or mix in some venues was limited.

Personally, I think it's anti social to refuse to protect the rest of society.
Vaccines save millions of lives, there is just no reason to refuse it other than sheer selfishness imo.
As well as stupidity in the case of the anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nutjobs.
Stupidity?

Maybe.

A lot of things people do could be considered stupid.

But refusing a vaccine for a disease which could kill them or their vulnerable loved ones and friends has to be right at the top of the stupidity charts!

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, so I think it's accepted that unvaccinated people are more at risk of catching covid so are more likely than fully vaccinated people to infect others.

Given that, what would be your stance on mandatory vaccines for care workers or frontline NHS workers?
I understand folks in hospitals but even that makes me uneasy. I'm comfortable with unvaccinated healthcare professionals.

My nurse friend has some co workers that haven't been vaccinated, but several have had the virus.

My nurse friend says they have to eat by themselves and have more mask restrictions in the hospital..

We have a religious exemption for all vaccines and at least at the state level, very few questions are asked when it's given.

I sure as hell don't care what basketball players do.

This thing isn't going anywhere. It doesn't appear like we will vaccinate our way out of it either. Even the Israelis had a surge with very high vaccination rates.

I still like the Swedish mentality far more than the Australian which horrifies me.

Go get your vaccine, or don't and go make the best of your life. It's time to move on.
I would never make the vaccine compulsory... too much like a police state, I would definitely restrict unvaccinated people from working with the old, ill and vulnerable.
Anyone else who refused the vaccine for anything other than health grounds, I wouldn't care if their freedom to travel or mix in some venues was limited.

Personally, I think it's anti social to refuse to protect the rest of society.
Vaccines save millions of lives, there is just no reason to refuse it other than sheer selfishness imo.
As well as stupidity in the case of the anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nutjobs.
Stupidity?

Maybe.

A lot of things people do could be considered stupid.
But refusing a vaccine for a disease which could kill them or their vulnerable loved ones and friends has to be right at the top of the stupidity charts!

Could, being the operative word.

Leave people alone. Stop calling them names. Let them live their life and focus on your problems.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, so I think it's accepted that unvaccinated people are more at risk of catching covid so are more likely than fully vaccinated people to infect others.

Given that, what would be your stance on mandatory vaccines for care workers or frontline NHS workers?
I understand folks in hospitals but even that makes me uneasy. I'm comfortable with unvaccinated healthcare professionals.

My nurse friend has some co workers that haven't been vaccinated, but several have had the virus.

My nurse friend says they have to eat by themselves and have more mask restrictions in the hospital..

We have a religious exemption for all vaccines and at least at the state level, very few questions are asked when it's given.

I sure as hell don't care what basketball players do.

This thing isn't going anywhere. It doesn't appear like we will vaccinate our way out of it either. Even the Israelis had a surge with very high vaccination rates.

I still like the Swedish mentality far more than the Australian which horrifies me.

Go get your vaccine, or don't and go make the best of your life. It's time to move on.
I would never make the vaccine compulsory... too much like a police state, I would definitely restrict unvaccinated people from working with the old, ill and vulnerable.
Anyone else who refused the vaccine for anything other than health grounds, I wouldn't care if their freedom to travel or mix in some venues was limited.

Personally, I think it's anti social to refuse to protect the rest of society.
Vaccines save millions of lives, there is just no reason to refuse it other than sheer selfishness imo.
As well as stupidity in the case of the anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nutjobs.
Stupidity?

Maybe.

A lot of things people do could be considered stupid.
But refusing a vaccine for a disease which could kill them or their vulnerable loved ones and friends has to be right at the top of the stupidity charts!
Could, being the operative word.

Leave people alone. Stop calling them names. Let them live their life and focus on your problems.

I usually do but when such people put others lives in danger due to wilful ignorance it's simply immoral and I stand by that.

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, so I think it's accepted that unvaccinated people are more at risk of catching covid so are more likely than fully vaccinated people to infect others.

Given that, what would be your stance on mandatory vaccines for care workers or frontline NHS workers?
I understand folks in hospitals but even that makes me uneasy. I'm comfortable with unvaccinated healthcare professionals.

My nurse friend has some co workers that haven't been vaccinated, but several have had the virus.

My nurse friend says they have to eat by themselves and have more mask restrictions in the hospital..

We have a religious exemption for all vaccines and at least at the state level, very few questions are asked when it's given.

I sure as hell don't care what basketball players do.

This thing isn't going anywhere. It doesn't appear like we will vaccinate our way out of it either. Even the Israelis had a surge with very high vaccination rates.

I still like the Swedish mentality far more than the Australian which horrifies me.

Go get your vaccine, or don't and go make the best of your life. It's time to move on.
I would never make the vaccine compulsory... too much like a police state, I would definitely restrict unvaccinated people from working with the old, ill and vulnerable.
Anyone else who refused the vaccine for anything other than health grounds, I wouldn't care if their freedom to travel or mix in some venues was limited.

Personally, I think it's anti social to refuse to protect the rest of society.
Vaccines save millions of lives, there is just no reason to refuse it other than sheer selfishness imo.
As well as stupidity in the case of the anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nutjobs.
Stupidity?

Maybe.

A lot of things people do could be considered stupid.
But refusing a vaccine for a disease which could kill them or their vulnerable loved ones and friends has to be right at the top of the stupidity charts!
Could, being the operative word.

Leave people alone. Stop calling them names. Let them live their life and focus on your problems.
I usually do but when such people put others lives in danger due to wilful ignorance it's simply immoral and I stand by that.

Get vaccinated and move on. No one likes folks inflicting their idea of morality on others.

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:

Get vaccinated and move on. No one likes folks inflicting their idea of morality on others.

You mean like the anti vaxxers?

John Doe · Still Here!

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Get vaccinated and move on. No one likes folks inflicting their idea of morality on others.
You mean like the anti vaxxers?

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, so I think it's accepted that unvaccinated people are more at risk of catching covid so are more likely than fully vaccinated people to infect others.

Given that, what would be your stance on mandatory vaccines for care workers or frontline NHS workers?
I understand folks in hospitals but even that makes me uneasy. I'm comfortable with unvaccinated healthcare professionals.

My nurse friend has some co workers that haven't been vaccinated, but several have had the virus.

My nurse friend says they have to eat by themselves and have more mask restrictions in the hospital..

We have a religious exemption for all vaccines and at least at the state level, very few questions are asked when it's given.

I sure as hell don't care what basketball players do.

This thing isn't going anywhere. It doesn't appear like we will vaccinate our way out of it either. Even the Israelis had a surge with very high vaccination rates.

I still like the Swedish mentality far more than the Australian which horrifies me.

Go get your vaccine, or don't and go make the best of your life. It's time to move on.
I would never make the vaccine compulsory... too much like a police state, I would definitely restrict unvaccinated people from working with the old, ill and vulnerable.
Anyone else who refused the vaccine for anything other than health grounds, I wouldn't care if their freedom to travel or mix in some venues was limited.

Personally, I think it's anti social to refuse to protect the rest of society.
Vaccines save millions of lives, there is just no reason to refuse it other than sheer selfishness imo.
As well as stupidity in the case of the anti-vaxxer/conspiracy nutjobs.
Stupidity?

Maybe.

A lot of things people do could be considered stupid.
But refusing a vaccine for a disease which could kill them or their vulnerable loved ones and friends has to be right at the top of the stupidity charts!
Could, being the operative word.

Leave people alone. Stop calling them names. Let them live their life and focus on your problems.
I usually do but when such people put others lives in danger due to wilful ignorance it's simply immoral and I stand by that.
Get vaccinated and move on. No one likes folks inflicting their idea of morality on others.

I have been and will keep wearing my mask in shops and public transport, not for me but for others.

Maddog · Go Outside

There you go. Wear a fucking clown suit for all I care. Just don't be sanctimonious and judgmental when you do it.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
There you go. Wear a fucking clown suit for all I care. Just don't be sanctimonious and judgmental when you do it.

I think anti-vaxxers are fucking nutters pure and simple - the vast majority of people would agree I think.

It's all very well for them to spout shite about their freedoms and rights whilst trying to intimidate and stopping people outside vaccination clinics like has happened here (including a sick teenage girl in a wheelchair).

They remind me of the more fanatical members of the pro-choice brigade who don't give a flying fuck about either the baby or the mother once it is born as long as they have got their way.

Not all ideologies are morally equal in my opinion.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog, so I think it's accepted that unvaccinated people are more at risk of catching covid so are more likely than fully vaccinated people to infect others.

Given that, what would be your stance on mandatory vaccines for care workers or frontline NHS workers?
I understand folks in hospitals but even that makes me uneasy. I'm comfortable with unvaccinated healthcare professionals.

My nurse friend has some co workers that haven't been vaccinated, but several have had the virus.

My nurse friend says they have to eat by themselves and have more mask restrictions in the hospital..

We have a religious exemption for all vaccines and at least at the state level, very few questions are asked when it's given.

I sure as hell don't care what basketball players do.

This thing isn't going anywhere. It doesn't appear like we will vaccinate our way out of it either. Even the Israelis had a surge with very high vaccination rates.

I still like the Swedish mentality far more than the Australian which horrifies me.

Go get your vaccine, or don't and go make the best of your life. It's time to move on.
I would never make the vaccine compulsory... too much like a police state, I would definitely restrict unvaccinated people from working with the old, ill and vulnerable.
Anyone else who refused the vaccine for anything other than health grounds, I wouldn't care if their freedom to travel or mix in some venues was limited.

Personally, I think it's anti social to refuse to protect the rest of society.
Vaccines save millions of lives, there is just no reason to refuse it other than sheer selfishness imo.
You're basically making them mandatory.

I don't believe the vaccines are really protecting others that much.

They protect about 90% of the folks that get them. That's the point. You can lead a normal life if you get one, regardless of what others do.

No it's not making them mandatory.

It's allowing people to make the choice not to be vaccinated, and it's also allowing other people to be safer in certain environments.

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
You're basically making them mandatory.

I don't believe the vaccines are really protecting others that much.

They protect about 90% of the folks that get them. That's the point. You can lead a normal life if you get one, regardless of what others do.

The vaccine doesn't protect you from catching it. It helps develop an immune response so that your own immune system doesn't kill you. That's why it's so important to get it. But if you choose not to, that's fine. It's more likely to be the unvaccinated who die, or those with a shit immune system. And judging from that other thread I posted regarding fast food, I'm not surprised people have been dropping like flies. If you knew the havoc that kind of food does to your body you'd never put it in your mouth. I can't remember the last time I ate that shit.

People are still dying from COVID. I'm just recovering from the cold from hell, which I caught off my husband. So, I've been wearing as mask out and about and sanitising not just for me but for others. If we all did that, there's be fewer colds and flu around.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
You're basically making them mandatory.

I don't believe the vaccines are really protecting others that much.

They protect about 90% of the folks that get them. That's the point. You can lead a normal life if you get one, regardless of what others do.

The vaccine doesn't protect you from catching it. It helps develop an immune response so that your own immune system doesn't kill you. That's why it's so important to get it. But if you choose not to, that's fine. It's more likely to be the unvaccinated who die, or those with a shit immune system. And judging from that other thread I posted regarding fast food, I'm not surprised people have been dropping like flies. If you knew the havoc that kind of food does to your body you'd never put it in your mouth. I can't remember the last time I ate that shit.
People are still dying from COVID. I'm just recovering from the cold from hell, which I caught off my husband. So, I've been wearing as mask out and about and sanitising not just for me but for others. If we all did that, there's be fewer colds and flu around.

People are dying from everything.

I may die from people bitching about others getting the shot. It's kicking my ass.

We have a vaccine. I think it works pretty well. Get it and you're in good shape and can go about your business in relative safety and not worry about others.

But for the love of God, stop judging everyone else.

Covid sucked pretty bad. The bitching about it might be worse.

Science has come up with a solution. Avail yourself to it and go live your best life.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

"Avail yourself to it"....or face the consequences.

We all have the choice.

I would not want a vulnerable loved one of mine to be in very close contact with someone (a carer or a medic)) who has the potential to spread a deadly disease, not when there is a simple solution.

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
People are dying from everything.

I may die from people bitching about others getting the shot. It's kicking my ass.

We have a vaccine. I think it works pretty well. Get it and you're in good shape and can go about your business in relative safety and not worry about others.

But for the love of God, stop judging everyone else.

Covid sucked pretty bad. The bitching about it might be worse.

Science has come up with a solution. Avail yourself to it and go live your best life.

I'm afraid that I would judge the person who passed on the virus to my loved ones if they took no trouble to isolate or minimise the spread of infection. We lost a family member to it last year.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
"Avail yourself to it"....or face the consequences.

We all have the choice.

I would not want a vulnerable loved one of mine to be in very close contact with someone (a carer or a medic)) who has the potential to spread a deadly disease, not when there is a simple solution.

The solution helps. I'm sure your labour leader took precautions and caught it anyway.

Anyone in a health related field would still be taking precautions too, vaccinated or not.

In fact the nurse friend of mine said getting the vaccines means less mask wearing and PPE for her. That's one of the driving forces for compliance. It's a giant pain in the ass to be unvaccinated and work there, because of all the additional hoops that you have to jump through to keep patients a little safer.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
"Avail yourself to it"....or face the consequences.

We all have the choice.

I would not want a vulnerable loved one of mine to be in very close contact with someone (a carer or a medic)) who has the potential to spread a deadly disease, not when there is a simple solution.

The solution helps. I'm sure your labour leader took precautions and caught it anyway.

Anyone in a health related field would still be taking precautions too, vaccinated or not.

In fact the nurse friend of mine said getting the vaccines means less mask wearing and PPE for her. That's one of the driving forces for compliance. It's a giant pain in the ass to be unvaccinated and work there, because of all the additional hoops that you have to jump through to keep patients a little safer.

So if it's a giant pain in the arse, why do you think some people are refusing to be vaccinated?

I would bet the vast majority of the people holding out, if they are parents, didn't think twice before they allowed their kids to have the usual childhood inoculations.

I would also bet as soon as they want to travel, and vaccination proof is required, they will then get the jabs, (and I know of a few people who have already done this)

They won't get the jab to help stop the virus, but as soon as it curtails their chance of going abroad...off they trot,

So selfish.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
"Avail yourself to it"....or face the consequences.

We all have the choice.

I would not want a vulnerable loved one of mine to be in very close contact with someone (a carer or a medic)) who has the potential to spread a deadly disease, not when there is a simple solution.

The solution helps. I'm sure your labour leader took precautions and caught it anyway.

Anyone in a health related field would still be taking precautions too, vaccinated or not.

In fact the nurse friend of mine said getting the vaccines means less mask wearing and PPE for her. That's one of the driving forces for compliance. It's a giant pain in the ass to be unvaccinated and work there, because of all the additional hoops that you have to jump through to keep patients a little safer.
So if it's a giant pain in the arse, why do you think some people are refusing to be vaccinated?
I would bet the vast majority of the people holding out, if they are parents, didn't think twice before they allowed their kids to have the usual childhood inoculations.
I would also bet as soon as they want to travel, and vaccination proof is required, they will then get the jabs, (and I know of a few people who have already done this)
They won't get the jab to help stop the virus, but as soon as it curtails their chance of going abroad...off they trot,
So selfish.

Some folks don't want to introduce that vaccine into their bodies. They see the risk being as large as the reward, especially if they already had the virus.

No doubt the government is converting many to change their minds by denying basic freedoms to people who won't fall in line.

In fact, that might be the reason many over here are opposing it.

Remember, we are an immigrant nation compromised of people that generally don't like being ordered about like subjects. That's why we left where we came from.

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
"Avail yourself to it"....or face the consequences.

We all have the choice.

I would not want a vulnerable loved one of mine to be in very close contact with someone (a carer or a medic)) who has the potential to spread a deadly disease, not when there is a simple solution.

The solution helps. I'm sure your labour leader took precautions and caught it anyway.

Anyone in a health related field would still be taking precautions too, vaccinated or not.

In fact the nurse friend of mine said getting the vaccines means less mask wearing and PPE for her. That's one of the driving forces for compliance. It's a giant pain in the ass to be unvaccinated and work there, because of all the additional hoops that you have to jump through to keep patients a little safer.
So if it's a giant pain in the arse, why do you think some people are refusing to be vaccinated?
I would bet the vast majority of the people holding out, if they are parents, didn't think twice before they allowed their kids to have the usual childhood inoculations.
I would also bet as soon as they want to travel, and vaccination proof is required, they will then get the jabs, (and I know of a few people who have already done this)
They won't get the jab to help stop the virus, but as soon as it curtails their chance of going abroad...off they trot,
So selfish.

Very selfish to put other people in danger.

If I had a sick or elderly relative who caught COVID and died from an Antivaxxer medical professional I would be absolutely fucking furious.