ChaoticMusings

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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I can't think of many rules or laws that dont benefit society as a whole...none that affect me anyway.

Maybe I just don't want to be that rebel without a cause.

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 No you don't. It's not in your nature. 

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 I have my moments.

I tend to live my life to suit myself,  I dont feel oppressed by rules or regulations.

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Well you should. 

Syl wrote:

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Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.

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 I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.   

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.

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 I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.   

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 I hate bullying, I seldom see it...(apart from on forums)

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 Bullying comes from one entity having power over another and abusing that power. 

It can be in the form of a group of posters, a big man, employer or government. 

Anytime there is an imbalance of power, there can be bullying. 

When a citizen is backed against the wall and forced to do something in order to function in society, that can be construed as bullying.   

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maybe I just dont go looking for things to be outraged about.

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 I do. I don't like bullying. I don't like oppression.   

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 I hate bullying, I seldom see it...(apart from on forums)

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 Bullying comes from one entity having power over another and abusing that power. 

 

 

It can be in the form of a group of posters, a big man, employer or government. 

 

Anytime there is an imbalance of power, there can be bullying. 

 

When a citizen is backed against the wall and forced to do something in order to function in society, that can be construed as bullying.   

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 I agree with points 1 and 2.

Point 3...it depends on your interpretation of 'bullying'.

Point 4....Laws and rules are made to enable society to function fairly. If a citizen feels they are backed against a wall because their way of thinking differs from the laws or rules, maybe he is just being a selfish self entitled git?

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 Or the rules are oppressive. 

Remember, my country was started by people that shot other people who were forcing rules down their throat that they didn't like. 

No doubt people that liked the rules had all sorts of names for those rule breakers. 

Syl wrote:

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Well that was then.
In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?

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 I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me.  I want people in general to be left alone. 

I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.  

I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary. 

Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Well that was then.
In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?

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 I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me.  I want people in general to be left alone. 

 

I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.  

 

I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary. 

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 But why do you feel oppressed?

What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?

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 Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me,  but others too. 

But we could start with the war on drugs.  Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.  

Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..

I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Well that was then.
In what way do you feel oppressed by the rules of your country now?

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 I feel oppressed and I know others are too. Some laws don't really oppress me, but it's not always about me.  I want people in general to be left alone. 

 

I'd like to get rid of all sorts of unnecessary laws.  

 

I'd fire about half of the government workers out there because they would be unnecessary. 

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 But why do you feel oppressed?

What are you stopped from doing or saying in real life that hinders you?

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 Again, it doesn't matter how it impacts me,  but others too. 

 

But we could start with the war on drugs.  Prostitution laws. No knock raids. Qualified immunity. Seat belt laws. Gun laws. Fees and taxes I'm forced to pay out of my labor.  

 

 

Basically, any law that forces me to do something when I'm not actively trying to harm others..

 

 

I live by the Non Agrression Principle, and would like a government that reflects that as much as possible..

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  The problem is, many people would be abusing others if there were no laws to stop them.

Not everyone has good judment or self control, so laws re drugs, prostitution, no knock raids, (I have never heard of qualified immunity) seat belt laws, gun laws and so on....they protect people.

OK, no one likes paying taxes, but we all benefit from how they are spent, especially members of society who may be more in need.

Maddog wrote:

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The non aggression principle doesn't allow for the harming or abusing of others.

I'm more worried about the harm caused to us from government, than each other most of the time.

Which is why I want the power of the government drastically cut back, and to exist to punish us when we actually harm each other.

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 In an ideal world that would be lovely.

You would still have to pay your taxes though.

Maddog wrote:

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Syl wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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The non aggression principle doesn't allow for the harming or abusing of others.

I'm more worried about the harm caused to us from government, than each other most of the time.

Which is why I want the power of the government drastically cut back, and to exist to punish us when we actually harm each other.

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 In an ideal world that would be lovely.

You would still have to pay your taxes though.

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 Why not strive for an ideal world. One that that includes a much lower tax rate. 

 

Look at the events that killed the most humans. Most of them involve governments using force trying to create better societies. 

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 You can strive for a better world by doing your bit...as in treat people fairly, do your bit to help the planet, and accept that taxes are a part of life that isn't going to disappear any time soon.

Depending on which side of the pay scale you are on, you will either campaign for/moan about/ or accept that the rich should be taxed more and the poorer less, or the rich are taxed too much and no wonder they legally fiddle the books.