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Maddog · Go Outside

RE: President Biden is 'angry and concerned' at Kyle Rittenhouse's not guilty verdict

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
I'll ask this to every person on this forum.

You a see a city being burned down and the plea for help goes out.

What do you do?

Is there a right or a wrong answer?

(Besides bring gasoline).

That depends on many factors. If I was a young fit man, I'd probably be all fired up and want to get out there and help stop it. If I was a psychopath, I'd want to go out there and cause as much trouble as I could. If I was a middle aged or elderly man, I might think twice and let the fuckers kill each other. As a woman, I'd hope the police had more control and would stop it.

The problem too, is social media being used as a conduit for communication and whipping a mob into a frenzy. It's my guess this would never have come to be if not for everyone communicating on their mobile phones, or at least not been so well attended.

The police should have gone in from the get go and blasted all of them with a water cannon, then arrested the lot.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Given the fact the police were bloody useless...

What would I do?

I would make sure I was insured to the hilt and then stay clear.

Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
I'll ask this to every person on this forum.

You a see a city being burned down and the plea for help goes out.

What do you do?

Is there a right or a wrong answer?

(Besides bring gasoline).

That depends on many factors. If I was a young fit man, I'd probably be all fired up and want to get out there and help stop it. If I was a psychopath, I'd want to go out there and cause as much trouble as I could. If I was a middle aged or elderly man, I might think twice and let the fuckers kill each other. As a woman, I'd hope the police had more control and would stop it.
The problem too, is social media being used as a conduit for communication and whipping a mob into a frenzy. It's my guess this would never have come to be if not for everyone communicating on their mobile phones, or at least not been so well attended.
The police should have gone in from the get go and blasted all of them with a water cannon, then arrested the lot.

Well, the first of your two choices were there.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Given the fact the police were bloody useless...

What would I do?

I would make sure I was insured to the hilt and then stay clear.

Perhaps you should be more understanding of people who don't "stand clear" when the shit hits the fan?

Wanting to protect your fellow man from violence and destruction isn't really a bad thing is it?

Have we gone that far?

Brits like to use the phrase "I'm alright Jack" to describe people that don't support forced compliance with some scheme that is supposed to help their fellow man.

Maybe it should be used to describe people who wont volunteer, when it's obvious people a few miles away need help?

Maddog · Go Outside

As for the police going in, riots really dont work that way. Water cannons will work on small demonstrations.

When the police are the reason for the riot, and they are outnumbered 100 to 1, they will have to employ methods like you see in China. Shoot, shovel and shut up, to stop people.

There are times when you, and the people that believe you shouldn't be assaulted or have your property destroyed, will be fending for yourselves. At least for a few hours.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Given the fact the police were bloody useless...

What would I do?

I would make sure I was insured to the hilt and then stay clear.
Perhaps you should be more understanding of people who don't "stand clear" when the shit hits the fan?

Wanting to protect your fellow man from violence and destruction isn't really a bad thing is it?

Have we gone that far?

Brits like to use the phrase "I'm alright Jack" to describe people that don't support forced compliance with some scheme that is supposed to help their fellow man.

Maybe it should be used to describe people who wont volunteer, when it's obvious people a few miles away need help?

I don't stand clear myself if I see someone in trouble. But going to someone's aid if you can help them , and rocking up somewhere armed to the teeth prepared to inflame an already toxic situation, which is exactly what happened....two different things entirely.

Your police force should be the ones sorting mindless violence out, not overweight Rambo's.

I'm all right Jack was termed in the Thatcher era, where she encouraged people who had more, to basically look after themselves, and sod everyone else.

-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 21st of November 2021 03:48:04 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Given the fact the police were bloody useless...

What would I do?

I would make sure I was insured to the hilt and then stay clear.
Perhaps you should be more understanding of people who don't "stand clear" when the shit hits the fan?

Wanting to protect your fellow man from violence and destruction isn't really a bad thing is it?

Have we gone that far?

Brits like to use the phrase "I'm alright Jack" to describe people that don't support forced compliance with some scheme that is supposed to help their fellow man.

Maybe it should be used to describe people who wont volunteer, when it's obvious people a few miles away need help?
I don't stand clear myself if I see someone in trouble. But going to someone's aid if you can help them , and rocking up somewhere armed to the teeth prepared to inflame an already toxic situation, which is exactly what happened....two different things entirely.
Your police force should be the ones sorting mindless violence out, not overweight Rambo's.

I'm all right Jack was termed in the Thatcher era, where she encouraged people who had more, to basically look after themselves, and sod everyone else.

-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 21st of November 2021 03:48:04 PM

What do you think would have happened to Kyle when he put out that burning dumpster if he was unarmed?

What would happen to you in that scenario if you were unarmed?

Maddog · Go Outside

And how is armed to the teeth, different than just armed?

John Doe · Still Here!

wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I suppose when you live in a country where people are told they have a right to carry arms, add to that a generation who have been brought up on Rambp films...events like this are bound to happen.

That kid, like many others who were there that night, was fired up and looking for trouble.
He had no idea the first man he killed was a paedophile, he just shot out, at him and the other two men.

What set the whole thing off imo was the idiot who posted about a meet up on social media.
What did he do to "look for trouble"?

Was it using a fire extinguisher to put out a burning dumpster?

If I see men trying to burn your house, am I looking for trouble?
He went looking for trouble, armed with a rifle, to an area he wasn't even a resident of.
He found trouble when he shot to death two unarmed men.
It's ridiculous that a kid of his age can carry around a rifle in public.
Thank God we have more sense in the UK.
yeah, there's zero gun crime in the UK. Plenty of knife crime though eh. As to common sense. Maybe if you understood the laws of America you might have the sense to understand why he was acquitted by 12 peers.
As to the one who claims to be italian.
It lives in a country that's a haven for hardened criminals, and comes from a country that's run by the mafia who freely kidnapped and killed thousands.

-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 21st of November 2021 10:42:21 AM

There is plenty of knife crime in the UK anon - mainly due black gang culture stabbings,

But you can kill a hell of a lot more people at once with an assault rifle.

Or have you not noticed the mass shootings that seem to happen every week in the US?

They are so common as to have become almost mundane.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 21st of November 2021 05:57:46 PM

Maddog · Go Outside

John Doe wrote:
wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
I suppose when you live in a country where people are told they have a right to carry arms, add to that a generation who have been brought up on Rambp films...events like this are bound to happen.

That kid, like many others who were there that night, was fired up and looking for trouble.
He had no idea the first man he killed was a paedophile, he just shot out, at him and the other two men.

What set the whole thing off imo was the idiot who posted about a meet up on social media.
What did he do to "look for trouble"?

Was it using a fire extinguisher to put out a burning dumpster?

If I see men trying to burn your house, am I looking for trouble?
He went looking for trouble, armed with a rifle, to an area he wasn't even a resident of.
He found trouble when he shot to death two unarmed men.
It's ridiculous that a kid of his age can carry around a rifle in public.
Thank God we have more sense in the UK.
yeah, there's zero gun crime in the UK. Plenty of knife crime though eh. As to common sense. Maybe if you understood the laws of America you might have the sense to understand why he was acquitted by 12 peers.
As to the one who claims to be italian.
It lives in a country that's a haven for hardened criminals, and comes from a country that's run by the mafia who freely kidnapped and killed thousands.

-- Edited by Digger on Sunday 21st of November 2021 10:42:21 AM
There is plenty of knife crime in the UK anon - mainly due black gang culture stabbings,
But you can kill a hell of a lot more people at once with an assault rifle.
Or have you not noticed the mass shootings that seem to happen every week in the US?
They are so common as to have become almost mundane.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 21st of November 2021 05:57:46 PM

I'll ask this to every person on this forum.

You a see a city being burned down and the plea for help goes out.

What do you do?

Is there a right or a wrong answer?

(Besides bring gasoline).

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Given the fact the police were bloody useless...

What would I do?

I would make sure I was insured to the hilt and then stay clear.
Perhaps you should be more understanding of people who don't "stand clear" when the shit hits the fan?

Wanting to protect your fellow man from violence and destruction isn't really a bad thing is it?

Have we gone that far?

Brits like to use the phrase "I'm alright Jack" to describe people that don't support forced compliance with some scheme that is supposed to help their fellow man.

Maybe it should be used to describe people who wont volunteer, when it's obvious people a few miles away need help?
I don't stand clear myself if I see someone in trouble. But going to someone's aid if you can help them , and rocking up somewhere armed to the teeth prepared to inflame an already toxic situation, which is exactly what happened....two different things entirely.
Your police force should be the ones sorting mindless violence out, not overweight Rambo's.

I'm all right Jack was termed in the Thatcher era, where she encouraged people who had more, to basically look after themselves, and sod everyone else.

-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 21st of November 2021 03:48:04 PM
What do you think would have happened to Kyle when he put out that burning dumpster if he was unarmed?

What would happen to you in that scenario if you were unarmed?

If the law has lost control there isn't much you can do other than keep away or fight.

In that scenario, I would keep away....I am not stupid.

Kyle was the only one shooting at people wasn't he?

John Doe · Still Here!

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Given the fact the police were bloody useless...

What would I do?

I would make sure I was insured to the hilt and then stay clear.
Perhaps you should be more understanding of people who don't "stand clear" when the shit hits the fan?

Wanting to protect your fellow man from violence and destruction isn't really a bad thing is it?

Have we gone that far?

Brits like to use the phrase "I'm alright Jack" to describe people that don't support forced compliance with some scheme that is supposed to help their fellow man.

Maybe it should be used to describe people who wont volunteer, when it's obvious people a few miles away need help?
I don't stand clear myself if I see someone in trouble. But going to someone's aid if you can help them , and rocking up somewhere armed to the teeth prepared to inflame an already toxic situation, which is exactly what happened....two different things entirely.
Your police force should be the ones sorting mindless violence out, not overweight Rambo's.

I'm all right Jack was termed in the Thatcher era, where she encouraged people who had more, to basically look after themselves, and sod everyone else.

-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 21st of November 2021 03:48:04 PM
What do you think would have happened to Kyle when he put out that burning dumpster if he was unarmed?

What would happen to you in that scenario if you were unarmed?
If the law has lost control there isn't much you can do other than keep away or fight.
In that scenario, I would keep away....I am not stupid.
Kyle was the only one shooting at people wasn't he?

The thing is unlike in the US none of us blokes us are professionally armed or trained so poncing about without weapons like knuckledusters to try to stop a lethal riot would do fuck all.

That is why we pay our taxes in the UK so the police and the army do their job.

Of course if they failed then that is a different matter - but touch wood since the early 20th century they have not.

Unlike the US.

-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 22nd of November 2021 01:04:44 AM

Date: Nov 22 1:33 PM, 2021

Maddog wrote:
John Doe wrote:
Various BLM gangster scum - seeking a confrontation as they burn down their own people's and every other people's businesses.

A Bubba White supremacist and a hot-headed teenager with hormones raging, thinking you cannot be a 'man' without carrying a big fucking gun to blow away anything that moves.

What could go wrong after centuries of hatred on both sides?

The Land of the Free?

Not without the French (if anyone knows their history) we would still be in charge and all the better for it (people hate the Empire) but for standards of the time we were truly great - abolishing slavery for a start.

-- Edited by John Doe on Sunday 21st of November 2021 01:30:59 AM
I'll ask this to every person on this forum.

You a see a city being burned down and the plea for help goes out.

What do you do?

Is there a right or a wrong answer?

(Besides bring gasoline).

That’s exactly the kind of call that goes out for ISIS recruits.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Given the fact the police were bloody useless...

What would I do?

I would make sure I was insured to the hilt and then stay clear.
Perhaps you should be more understanding of people who don't "stand clear" when the shit hits the fan?

Wanting to protect your fellow man from violence and destruction isn't really a bad thing is it?

Have we gone that far?

Brits like to use the phrase "I'm alright Jack" to describe people that don't support forced compliance with some scheme that is supposed to help their fellow man.

Maybe it should be used to describe people who wont volunteer, when it's obvious people a few miles away need help?
I don't stand clear myself if I see someone in trouble. But going to someone's aid if you can help them , and rocking up somewhere armed to the teeth prepared to inflame an already toxic situation, which is exactly what happened....two different things entirely.
Your police force should be the ones sorting mindless violence out, not overweight Rambo's.

I'm all right Jack was termed in the Thatcher era, where she encouraged people who had more, to basically look after themselves, and sod everyone else.

-- Edited by Syl on Sunday 21st of November 2021 03:48:04 PM
What do you think would have happened to Kyle when he put out that burning dumpster if he was unarmed?

What would happen to you in that scenario if you were unarmed?
If the law has lost control there isn't much you can do other than keep away or fight.
In that scenario, I would keep away....I am not stupid.
Kyle was the only one shooting at people wasn't he?

He was the only one being chased, and he shot no one until he was. Prior to that he was cleaning graffiti and putting out fires.

And keeping away means you wouldn't help. I'm OK with that, but I'm also OK with people who will help.

You see that in natural disasters here too. There isn't enough government help to save everyone, and people rush into dangerous situations to help.

Sometime you need a boat, sometimes you need a weapon to be of any use.

-- Edited by Maddog on Monday 22nd of November 2021 05:18:06 PM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

The problem is Maddog, the ones you believe rushed in to help, actually didn't.
Two men are dead, one is mutilated, and a young kid has had his life turned upside down because of the way he acted that night.....and all because, iyo, people went in 'to help'.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
The problem is Maddog, the ones you believe rushed in to help, actually didn't.
Two men are dead, one is mutilated, and a young kid has had his life turned upside down because of the way he acted that night.....and all because, iyo, people went in 'to help'.

How do you know they didnt help?

How much property wasnt destroyed because of their presence?

And lets be honest, the first victim liked to screw little boys. I'd say his elimination was helpful.

Maddog · Go Outside

Were these folks helpful to each other?

I'd say yes.

More helpful than the folks who did nothing except possibly judge them.

John Doe · Still Here!

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
The problem is Maddog, the ones you believe rushed in to help, actually didn't.
Two men are dead, one is mutilated, and a young kid has had his life turned upside down because of the way he acted that night.....and all because, iyo, people went in 'to help'.
How do you know they didnt help?

How much property wasnt destroyed because of their presence?

And lets be honest, the first victim liked to screw little boys. I'd say his elimination was helpful.

Kyle did not know who the victim was - he could have been anyone good or bad.

Also did all those blokes turning up with guns really turn out of the motivation to save the properties/business etc or did a few see a golden chance to shoot someone given the opportunity?

-- Edited by John Doe on Monday 22nd of November 2021 06:24:34 PM

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:

Were these folks helpful to each other?

I'd say yes.

More helpful than the folks who did nothing except possibly judge them.

How many people were killed that night?