ChaoticMusings

Vita · Know It All

Moral Dilemma

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Nope, not because I am good or bad, but because I couldn't live with myself if I was so cowardly.

Magica · Go Outside

I couldn't let someone else take the blame for me. My conscience wouldn't let me.

Digger · Admin

No. I couldn't do that to anyone. Why would any normal person do that?

John Doe · Still Here!

No one would unless they were a psychopath/sociopath (which are surprisingly common sadly).

Vita · Know It All

I couldn't do it either but some people would in a heartbeat and feel no guilt whatsoever.

Ronald Castree let an innocent man serve sixteen years in prison for a murder he had committed and wasn't in the least bit bothered.

That was one of the worst miscarriages of justice ever.

Disgusting what happened to Stefan Kiszko.

If the police had done their job probably they would have discovered Stefan couldn't have never mind didn't murder Lesley Molseed.

Vita · Know It All

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Spouse, it's surely human nature to help the loved one, even if they are a cheating bastard.

Magica · Go Outside

Has to be spouse. Feelings would dictate they come first even though you would be suprised/angry at their cheating.

Digger · Admin

The person with the most likely chance to survive. If he was cheat there was no love there on his part, so fuck him.

Vita · Know It All

Magica · Go Outside

This is hard because he's a kid. I think I would though, knowing the death and destruction he will cause when his older, so yes o would shoot him.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

No...I believe in the wise words 'Give me a child till he is seven and I will show you the man'.

If my imagination can transport me back to Hitlers childhood, it can also make me believe history can be changed.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Nice thread Vita..it makes us think.

Digger · Admin

Vita wrote:

No, because if it wasn't him it would be someone else and who knows if it would be a worse someone else.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Digger wrote:
Vita wrote:
No, because if it wasn't him it would be someone else and who knows if it would be a worse someone else.

I'm not so sure about that.

Sometimes, a person is there, at the right time, in the right place, and circumstances happen because of that one person.

Would Hindley have gone on to be the worst female murderess in British history if Brady had never existed....would those kids still be alive today?

If Rose West had never been born would Fred have just been the oddball next door?

If Venables and Thompson had gone to different schools, would Jamie Bulger be alive now?

Get ting rid of one evil person doesn't mean it has to be replaced with another.

John Doe · Still Here!

Hitler was a unique combination of circumstances that rarely happen to psychopaths.

Hence their ubiquity in normal life (about one in fifty that makes all of our normal else lives a total misery if given the chance).

Adolph could have been changed - would I shoot a child?

No.

-- Edited by John Doe on Tuesday 11th of January 2022 07:57:08 PM

Digger · Admin

Syl wrote:
Digger wrote:
Vita wrote:
No, because if it wasn't him it would be someone else and who knows if it would be a worse someone else.
I'm not so sure about that.
Sometimes, a person is there, at the right time, in the right place, and circumstances happen because of that one person.
Would Hindley have gone on to be the worst female murderess in British history if Brady had never existed....would those kids still be alive today?
If Rose West had never been born would Fred have just been the oddball next door?
If Venables and Thompson had gone to different schools, would Jamie Bulger be alive now?

Get ting rid of one evil person doesn't mean it has to be replaced with another.

We don't know that. Either way. Perhaps it's interfering with with fate and karma, a destiny that has a higher purpose which ultimately is all about choices and the free will. We rant and rave about all the terrible things but what about the good things in life? It's like the butterfly effect. Are things meant to be? If you could go back in time and change one single thing about your life, would it make a difference or would fate and destiny simply re-route you to the same destination?

I took all these elements and put them in my book...how you cannot change fate without paying a price.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Sliding doors?

I dont think I believe in fate.
If someone is running late, misses their train, it crashes, everyone aboard dies, so that person has had a lucky escape...is that fate?

If so, is fate now waiting to claim back the life it should have taken and didn't?

It sounds like a sequel to 'Final Destination' to me.

John Doe · Still Here!

There is no such thing as fate as far as I am concerned.

If there was what have the starving women/children being laughingly dismembered alive in African hellholes by well fed soldiers, the starving, the children dying of cancer, the victims of torture and death by serial killers, natural disasters etc done to deserve their 'fate'?

Why do the most ruthless and evil people do so very well?

Life is ultimately meaningless, it's a demolition derby. I have no children so my line will come to an end after 4 billion years of evolution.

Dawkins said it well in his classic nearly 50 years ago about being mere gene replication machines.

"Was there to be any end to the gradual improvement in the techniques and artifices used by the replicators to ensure their own continuation in the world? There would be plenty of time for improvement. What weird engines of self-preservation would the millennia bring forth? Four thousand million years on, what was to be the fate of the ancient replicators?

They did not die out, for they are past masters of the survival arts. But do not look for them floating loose in the sea; they gave up that cavalier freedom long ago. Now they swarm in huge colonies, safe inside gigantic lumbering robots, sealed off from the outside world, communicating with it by tortuous indirect routes, manipulating it by remote control.

They are in you and in me; they created us, body and mind; and their preservation is the ultimate rationale for our existence. They have come a long way, those replicators. Now they go by the name of genes, and we are their survival machines."

Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene.

-- Edited by John Doe on Friday 14th of January 2022 03:37:49 PM