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Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Weather Watch...

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Yes, but some records are relatively new, so they don't always give a balanced view of things.

I don't doubt there is recent global warming, whether it comes in cycles or not can't really be proven, maybe it was cracking the flags 150 years ago...who knows?

The last summer we had where temperatures soared into the 90's was 45 years ago...and we had a heatwave that lasted for 15 days...not 2.

And something that happens every 45 years is pretty newsworthy, especially when it makes people suffer, or worse, kills them.

Let's take the bombing in Manchester a few years ago. Bombings in the UK that killed people weren't uncommon 45 years ago, but the one at the concert was still pretty damn newsworthy I think..🤷‍♂️

You Brits keep good records. You have weather records from 150 years ago, so you do know..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Yeah, but a terrorist attack can't be compared to a couple of summer days that exceed expectations.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Yeah, but a terrorist attack can't be compared to a couple of summer days that exceed expectations.

It can if people die because of it..

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yes, but some records are relatively new, so they don't always give a balanced view of things.

I don't doubt there is recent global warming, whether it comes in cycles or not can't really be proven, maybe it was cracking the flags 150 years ago...who knows?

The last summer we had where temperatures soared into the 90's was 45 years ago...and we had a heatwave that lasted for 15 days...not 2.
And something that happens every 45 years is pretty newsworthy, especially when it makes people suffer, or worse, kills them.

Let's take the bombing in Manchester a few years ago. Bombings in the UK that killed people weren't uncommon 45 years ago, but the one at the concert was still pretty damn newsworthy I think..🤷‍♂️

You Brits keep good records. You have weather records from 150 years ago, so you do know..

Read this. You'll see pretty similar weather patterns from way back.

https://premium.weatherweb.net/weather-in-history-1700-to-1749-ad/

Digger · Admin

1714

Outstandingly dry: the annual rainfall at Upminster (Essex) was some 11.25 inches (or 286 mm) which is about half of the average during the first half of the 20th century. (These low values were not beaten until 1921 q.v.)
The extended dry weather was noted elsewhere across England & Ireland, and in Ulster, where a 'severe drought' is said to have lasted from 1714 to 1719, it is thought that the adverse conditions for agriculture led to a major migration of Ulster-Scots from there to North America, specifically to Pennsylvania.

1716

A dry year - with a dry summer: the Thames so low by September that people walked under the arches of London Bridge. This was apparently caused by a combination of drought, strong winds and low tides.

May 1729

Tornado destroyed buildings along track through Sussex & Kent.

June - September 1741

Prolonged heat/drought set in around 12th June and lasted until 2nd September, whence general rainfall. Autumn noted as particularly warm.

1651-1654

Four successive fine (i.e. often dry / hot) summers but that of 1651 appears to have been 'fine' only across England; Scotland though is specifically included for the other years in the various chronicles. 1651 in particular across England (only?) was noted as being dry with a 'scorching' summer - a 'great' drought with excessive heat. Kent is specifically mentioned (continental influence). It may be that only the southern half of Britain was so favoured, as there are notes that in Scotland, this year (1651) was subject to even 'greater dearth' than the preceding year. In 1652, the summer of this year was noted for 'extraordinary drought' across the whole of Scotland, with high temperatures and little rain - great impact upon agricultural production, both good and bad; in England, 1652 saw a good harvest, particularly as regards fruit. The summer of 1653 was also described as being one of 'great drought & excessive heat' across England. From October 1653 until 21st March 1654 (i.e. across nearly the entire 'winter-half' of the year), the weather was apparently benign, mild & dry; likened to a 'second summer'. In Scotland, the extended winter period 1653-1654 was notably dry, which of course would have been a disaster for autumn/winter-sown crops. The summer of 1654 was 'dry & scorching'. Although drought would have impacted on some arable crops (and farm animals depending upon the feed), other agriculture, such as fruit growers, had a bumper harvest during 1654. From Edinburgh & Fife, great lack of water (wells drying up), with lesser problems in the west.

Digger · Admin

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
The last week of August 1976, we were in Newquay, Cornwall on holiday.
It was so hot, people were fainting on the beach daily, and had to be tended by St John Ambulance.

I don't think it made frontline news.
There's no doubt that the coverage of such events are up.

That's pretty much the case with everything including a cow farting..

What gets covered and not covered has a huge impact on society..

But anytime you can quantify events through measurements and determine they haven't happened before, or are very rare, I'd say that's news worthy..

That's why we keep records isn't it?

-- Edited by Maddog on Wednesday 20th of July 2022 05:18:28 PM

We've had two days of 38 degree heat. Hardly an 'event'. What is more unusual is the seasons seemed to be shifting. We have warmer Novembers and Decembers and colder Febs and March. I don't doubt there's global warming but I'm sick to death of nobody addressing the elephant in the room.

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Maddog · Go Outside

Digger wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
The last week of August 1976, we were in Newquay, Cornwall on holiday.
It was so hot, people were fainting on the beach daily, and had to be tended by St John Ambulance.

I don't think it made frontline news.
There's no doubt that the coverage of such events are up.

That's pretty much the case with everything including a cow farting..

What gets covered and not covered has a huge impact on society..

But anytime you can quantify events through measurements and determine they haven't happened before, or are very rare, I'd say that's news worthy..

That's why we keep records isn't it?

-- Edited by Maddog on Wednesday 20th of July 2022 05:18:28 PM
We've had two days of 38 degree heat. Hardly an 'event'. What is more unusual is the seasons seemed to be shifting. We have warmer Novembers and Decembers and colder Febs and March. I don't doubt there's global warming but I'm sick to death of nobody addressing the elephant in the room.

38 degrees is an event if it hasn't happened or only happens every 50 years or so isn't it?

Like anything else that only happens once or twice a lifetime.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yeah, but a terrorist attack can't be compared to a couple of summer days that exceed expectations.

It can if people die because of it..

The only deaths in the UK I have read of, are people who have drowned.

Unfortunately that will always happen when people swim in dangerous or unsupervised waters,

The fires are usually caused by human error too.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yeah, but a terrorist attack can't be compared to a couple of summer days that exceed expectations.

It can if people die because of it..
The only deaths in the UK I have read of, are people who have drowned.
Unfortunately that will always happen when people swim in dangerous or unsupervised waters,
The fires are usually caused by human error too.

Europe had hundreds, if not thousands..

It will be like the flu or covid. Healthy people won't be affected.

The old and the sick are the ones that die in this crap.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yeah, but a terrorist attack can't be compared to a couple of summer days that exceed expectations.

It can if people die because of it..
The only deaths in the UK I have read of, are people who have drowned.
Unfortunately that will always happen when people swim in dangerous or unsupervised waters,
The fires are usually caused by human error too.
Europe had hundreds, if not thousands..

It will be like the flu or covid. Healthy people won't be affected.

The old and the sick are the ones that die in this crap.

Europe has had a sustained heatwave, on top of an already hot climate....we had 2 days.

My point is the public scaremongering we in the UK have had to put up with for days before the heatwave even arrived.

Maddog · Go Outside

Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Maddog wrote:
Syl wrote:
Yeah, but a terrorist attack can't be compared to a couple of summer days that exceed expectations.

It can if people die because of it..
The only deaths in the UK I have read of, are people who have drowned.
Unfortunately that will always happen when people swim in dangerous or unsupervised waters,
The fires are usually caused by human error too.
Europe had hundreds, if not thousands..

It will be like the flu or covid. Healthy people won't be affected.

The old and the sick are the ones that die in this crap.
Europe has had a sustained heatwave, on top of an already hot climate....we had 2 days.

My point is the public scaremongering we in the UK have had to put up with for days before the heatwave even arrived.

Well, they have to sell papers and get clicks..

We do that with hurricanes too. Some turn out deadly, most dont.

But that doesn't change the fact that 100F in the UK, or 150 mph winds and 20 inches of rain in Houston is dangerous, unusual and newsworthy, in spite of some extra drama thrown in by the media..

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

It makes news, but not for 2 weeks before the happening.

I suppose all the hype serves to brainwash some people that thanks to global warming Armageddon will soon be upon us...to others, it's just a bit of a break from the grey summer we were having.

Maddog · Go Outside

This is serious.

Vita · Know It All

Not been very sunny her the last few days but still very warm.

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Maddog wrote:
This is serious.

Handy to prop your bike up on though.

Magica · Go Outside

At least someone is keeping abreast of things.

Good for ear muffs in the winter!

Syl · FIRM BUT FAIR.

Three days of grey skies and drizzle here...typical summer is back.

Vita · Know It All

I think we're going to get thunder, I don't think Daisy has experienced it before so I hope she's not scared.

Magica · Go Outside

Very warm here. It's cloudy now but earlier was not in the sun.