ChaoticMusings

Maddog wrote:

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https://apnews.com/article/china-military-taiwan-us-7549c646a377f1f199d2cda983573279

 

 

 

Maybe we just have to let the Chinese have what they want? 

 

 

 

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 Like stop interfering and let them have it back?

Far to sensible.

Maddog wrote:

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anonymousrollup wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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https://apnews.com/article/china-military-taiwan-us-7549c646a377f1f199d2cda983573279

 

 

 

Maybe we just have to let the Chinese have what they want? 

 

 

 

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 Like stop interfering and let them have it back?

Far to sensible.

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 I don't know if "back" is the correct word. 

 

The CCP has never controlled that island. 

 

And I doubt the Taiwanese are going to just let them have it. 

 

Are they justified in fighting for their country regardless of what the outside world does? 

 

Does that island not belong to the people that have governed it for 80 years? 

 

How about countries just stop trying to annex territory against the wishes of the people that live there and stop digging up historical claims? 

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 Well that's not going to happen so how about a much easier route for humankind and that is to stop interfering in everyone's battles?

Much easier less dead less destruction.

Maddog wrote:

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anonymousrollup wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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anonymousrollup wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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https://apnews.com/article/china-military-taiwan-us-7549c646a377f1f199d2cda983573279

 

 

 

Maybe we just have to let the Chinese have what they want? 

 

 

 

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 Like stop interfering and let them have it back?

Far to sensible.

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 I don't know if "back" is the correct word. 

 

The CCP has never controlled that island. 

 

And I doubt the Taiwanese are going to just let them have it. 

 

Are they justified in fighting for their country regardless of what the outside world does? 

 

Does that island not belong to the people that have governed it for 80 years? 

 

How about countries just stop trying to annex territory against the wishes of the people that live there and stop digging up historical claims? 

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 Well that's not going to happen so how about a much easier route for humankind and that is to stop interfering in everyone's battles?

Much easier less dead less destruction.

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 You're probably right. 

 

But it's also difficult to watch someone take something that doesn't belong to them simply because they are bigger and stronger.  

 

It's the story of colonialism and I was kind of hoping we could move past that as a species. 

 

But sometimes you just gotta sit back and watch the weak get thrashed by the powerful I guess. 

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 That was America's stance with Vietnam and look what happened.   

Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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anonymousrollup wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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anonymousrollup wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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https://apnews.com/article/china-military-taiwan-us-7549c646a377f1f199d2cda983573279

 

 

 

Maybe we just have to let the Chinese have what they want? 

 

 

 

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 Like stop interfering and let them have it back?

Far to sensible.

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 I don't know if "back" is the correct word. 

 

The CCP has never controlled that island. 

 

And I doubt the Taiwanese are going to just let them have it. 

 

Are they justified in fighting for their country regardless of what the outside world does? 

 

Does that island not belong to the people that have governed it for 80 years? 

 

How about countries just stop trying to annex territory against the wishes of the people that live there and stop digging up historical claims? 

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 Well that's not going to happen so how about a much easier route for humankind and that is to stop interfering in everyone's battles?

Much easier less dead less destruction.

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 You're probably right. 

 

But it's also difficult to watch someone take something that doesn't belong to them simply because they are bigger and stronger.  

 

It's the story of colonialism and I was kind of hoping we could move past that as a species. 

 

But sometimes you just gotta sit back and watch the weak get thrashed by the powerful I guess. 

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 That was America's stance with Vietnam and look what happened.   

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 That really wasn't the case. That was to stop the spread of communism. 

The North wasn't 10 times the size of the South. 

Granted they had the military backing of the Soviets and some Soviet pilots. 

It's always quite the dilemma in regards to defending the weak from the strong, knowing that doing nothing encourages the bullies, while getting involved often makes the problem worse. At least for the person getting involved. 

Hitler gave the Brits several chances to stay out of WWII. 

No doubt many British lives would have been saved if the Brits had taken him up on it. 

Back to this topic, I think it will go like Crimea did on 2014. We will jaw jaw about it.  

We have fucked up in terms of trade. We can't function without Chinese imports anymore. American kids can't live without TikTok and their iPhones. 

Maybe the British should get out of N' Ireland and the Falklands.

Anonymous wrote:

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Maybe the British should get out of N' Ireland and the Falklands.

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 The people of N Ireland vote to remain part of the UK.

The Falklands have never belonged to Argentina and the people are British and vote to remain so and therefore get protection from the UK.

Digger wrote:

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Maddog wrote:

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 That really wasn't the case. That was to stop the spread of communism. 

 

The North wasn't 10 times the size of the South. 

 

Granted they had the military backing of the Soviets and some Soviet pilots. 

 

It's always quite the dilemma in regards to defending the weak from the strong, knowing that doing nothing encourages the bullies, while getting involved often makes the problem worse. At least for the person getting involved. 

 

Hitler gave the Brits several chances to stay out of WWII. 

 

No doubt many British lives would have been saved if the Brits had taken him up on it. 

 

Back to this topic, I think it will go like Crimea did on 2014. We will jaw jaw about it.  

 

We have fucked up in terms of trade. We can't function without Chinese imports anymore. American kids can't live without TikTok and their iPhones. 

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 You  don't really believe that autocrats like Hitler would have been happy to let Britain cruise along during WW2?  There would have been conditions like export every Jew, disabled, gay, ethnic minority etc, for the extermination.   And what country and its people would sit back while the rest of the world was threatened with invasion and annihilation?  We don't do that.  We never have, and hopefully never will.  

 

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 You didn't really have any natural resources he wanted.  Plus he considered yall his equals. 

As for sitting back when another country is invaded, that's the question here isn't it?

Taiwan doesn't stand a chance without our help.

Do we let them get overrun? 

My heart says no. My brain says yes. 

Anonymous wrote:

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2004 article: US policy of regime change in Serbia, Georgia, Ukraine, Belarus

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

 

US position on China:  "The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations.  The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances.  We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means."

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

 

The United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758: passed on 25 October 1971, recognized the People's Republic of China (PRC) as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed "the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek" (referring to Republic of China (ROC) based in Taiwan) from the United Nations.

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/654350

 

The USA refuses to allow China and others to surpass it economically.

 

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 OK. 🙄